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Quote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 11:19:41 pmQuote from: danumdon on August 19, 2022, 09:56:47 pmQuote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.Well for a start only 20% of trains are running at present.Rather than send me on a fool’s errand why don’t you reflect on the many and various reasons why that’s the case.You made the statement pal, if you can't back it up then there's no reason for me to reflect on anything.But if you would like to substantiate your statement then i'm all ears.
Quote from: danumdon on August 19, 2022, 09:56:47 pmQuote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.Well for a start only 20% of trains are running at present.Rather than send me on a fool’s errand why don’t you reflect on the many and various reasons why that’s the case.
Quote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.
Lets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.
Quote from: danumdon on August 19, 2022, 11:29:04 pmQuote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 11:19:41 pmQuote from: danumdon on August 19, 2022, 09:56:47 pmQuote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.Well for a start only 20% of trains are running at present.Rather than send me on a fool’s errand why don’t you reflect on the many and various reasons why that’s the case.You made the statement pal, if you can't back it up then there's no reason for me to reflect on anything.But if you would like to substantiate your statement then i'm all ears.Whereas your own diatribe contained little by way of substantiation but never mind...Perhaps we can agree DD that we're sharing opinions here rather than doctorate theses. I will admit that the UK has a relatively good recent safety record; something like the third safest in Europe over the period since 2010. But that's as far as it goes.To give you more 'substance' to my opinion:https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2022/08/18/worst-performance-by-uk-rail-since-the-1970s/https://www.ft.com/content/05fef011-f693-46a2-bfcd-fbdfffe4368dHappy reading, Pal!
Quote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 11:19:41 pmQuote from: danumdon on August 19, 2022, 09:56:47 pmQuote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.Well for a start only 20% of trains are running at present.Rather than send me on a fool’s errand why don’t you reflect on the many and various reasons why that’s the case.You made the statement pal, if you can't back it up then there's no reason for me to reflect on anything.But if you would like to substantiate your statement then i'm all ears.
Quote from: danumdon on August 19, 2022, 09:56:47 pmQuote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.Well for a start only 20% of trains are running at present.Rather than send me on a fool’s errand why don’t you reflect on the many and various reasons why that’s the case.
Quote from: BigH on August 19, 2022, 08:35:52 pmLets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.Would you like to provide some evidence for that statement because i would be interested to see you do so.
Lets talk about old BR, every man and his dog had a joke and a tale to tell about the efficiency and poor performance of British Rail. badly underfunded, poor rolling stock, badly maintained infrastructure, late and cramped trains very poor catering with poor old BR sandwiches becoming the thing of legend, all performed by management and staff with no accountability for the money that was being spent "its only paper money" was the big mantra.Hmm, so not much different from what we have now then!DD, might I politely ask when you last travelled by train. To those of us who have had the misfortune to use them regularly for work could I just flag a couple of points:- Travel before 10 am and you need to take out another mortgage; it's often cheaper to fly- In peak hours you will struggle to get a seat unless you hold a reservation- Delays are regular and for all sorts of reasons; signal failure, a broken down train in front, lack of staff...- Commuter trains have too few carriages- Some journey times e.g. Liverpool to Manchester take longer now than 100 years ago- £4k a season ticket if you live in the S East; that's out of net income by the way- 'Catering' is no better than a Tesco meal deal but costs twice as muchSeriously, we have one of the worst, most underfunded, mismanaged rail networks of any 'top rank' western nation.
On topicHave just been talking to a bar owner in the Marais about b..... he thinks it's bonkers unsurprisingly.
Quote from: SydneyRover on August 20, 2022, 09:05:13 pmOn topicHave just been talking to a bar owner in the Marais about b..... he thinks it's bonkers unsurprisingly.Did you tell him Syd you were a Brexit enabler and didn't vote in 2019 to rejoin the EU ? .
I got home 3.5 hours after full time. It's about 15 miles as the crow flies. That's privatised public transport for you.
EU Law not a barrier to nationalising UK railways:https://theconversation.com/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759https://www.anothereurope.org/lets-be-clear-nationalisation-is-not-against-eu-law/https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2019/11/would-labours-plans-to-nationalise-bt-openreach-be-legal-under-eu-rules-2https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-railways-eu-rules-nationalise-single-market-restrictions-labour-a8968691.htmlAnything is a good tune if you are prepared to open your ears to it.
Those denying the harm brexit has done to the economy will be able to meet in a phone box soon.
SS.You won. Why can't you just revel in the fact that we became the country you wanted us to be? Why always this needling?
SSQuoting stats that show that the UK is doing worse than any other G7 nation isn't needling. It's stating facts. Do you prefer to stay in blissful ignorance of the facts?People who said Brexit would be damaging to the UK economy have an absolute right to point out that the post-Brexit economy is doing very poorly. In fact they have a duty to say it. That's kind of how democratic politics is meant to work.If you have other evidence that things are going fine, you're free to share it. Tell us why Brexit is a success.Regarding Starmer, he's playing realpolitik. I don't like it, but I understand it. The one and only chance the Tories have in 2024 is to keep the fault line of Brexit live. Starmer has to neutralise that.We aren't going to rejoin the EU any time soon. So why give the Tories a free hit and let them appeal to people like you who want to cling to their Brexit?We WILL rejoin. One day. But things will have to get a lot worse before we do. And enough people on the Leave side will have to grit their teeth and accept that they f**ked up and bought a lie. It'll happen, but not for at least ten years. So Starmer would be an idiot to push it now.Meantime, it's still perfectly fair to point out that things ain't going well. One day even you might have to accept that.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 16, 2022, 09:52:20 pmSS.You won. Why can't you just revel in the fact that we became the country you wanted us to be? Why always this needling?BST, I never had you down as one to struggle with semantics. People on here keep quoting stats and polls that say we're worse off because of Brexit, and most people think it was a mistake; and you say I'm needling?What part of Starmer saying we should all move on are you not getting?I'll do a deal with you. If all the Remainers keep off this thread, and just let it drop, I'll do the same.