0 Members and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on April 03, 2019, 03:29:02 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?Great solutions come out of necessity. Anyway Do you think the EU would blockade any lorries and ships from the UK?
Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 03:16:29 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.Right, let's take that proposition forward. We just 'leave' now. The very next day - how do you get goods, people, and money across the border to the EU?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 03:07:39 pmBST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.100 percent Definately not the only person to think it, and it should have happened that way. It's only certain MPs, and parts of the media that are trying to stop brexit that has made this whole process alot harder than it should be. We should be out now, striking deals with the globe and not looking back. The only way out is a no deal, but unfortunately it won't happen.
BST. I reckon the majority of the country end up f**ked off after every vote, through elected governments not carrying out promises. In fear of repeating myself, I saw only two option on the voting slip. Leave and Remain. I understood it to mean we would either remain or leave immediately and perhaps discuss any future deals with the EU after we had left.I'm 100% sure I wasn't the only one to think that.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 03, 2019, 08:29:20 pmHaven't food prices always risen?eeer no. Past generations spent a much higher percentage of their income on food compared to what we do today and the wholesale cost of most foods has historically declined over centuries.But in any case, what a ridiculous set of questions. Do you not get the concept of more or less? Why would you intentionally increase a problem regardless of what general level it stands at before?"We've got no bog role, love""Haven't we been out of bog role for 6 hours?"""Ya what?"
Haven't food prices always risen?
Nobody knows what will happen under any of the ridiculous number of different outcomes - not even the 'experts' who offer their wisdom on this forum, rather than in Westminster.I'd rather level with no deal - and to hell with it, whatever happens, happens! Two World Wars didn't finish us, not joining the single currency didn't destroy our economy. Voting to leave didn't plunge us into recession. So who knows? The 'experts' might be right and it could be the worst thing we've done - or it could all be exaggerated and ultimately unravel as untrue scaremongering.Then again, I'd rather Tony Blair had not allowed immigration numbers to be so high in the first place as then maybe 'Vote Remain' would have won, as you don't have to be Albert Einstein to work out that the mass flow of EU foreigners onto these shores made some folk vote to leave in the first place and gave the likes of Nigel Farage ammunition.It's all a bloody great big mess!
TRBA leak from Cabinet yesterday said that May's entire demeanour changed when she was told that No Deal would lead to the recomposition of Direct Rule in NI. They said that broke her and turned her against buttering up the ERG. Might be bullshit to scare the ERG into falling into line, I dunno.
Or maybe TRB is right and it's mind games with the ERG?
Jesus BB it's like a living death. It's partly because of the PROSPECT of Brexit. It's because Brexiters is coming. So firms have changed their investment plans. Because after Brexit, whatever form of Brexit we have, the UK will be a less attractive place for firms to do business. And it's partly because of the big hike in inflation that we had immediately after the vote, because the Pound fell immediately. Because the markets are expecting Britain to be poorer, relative to our competitors, than we would be if we didn't leave the EU. Inflation and currency depreciation that made the raw materials we buy more expensive.Just like was predicted in would happen before the Referendum in 2016. And if you respond with, yeah but Osborne said...I swear I will f**king well spontaneously combust.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 10:20:31 pmJesus BB it's like a living death. It's partly because of the PROSPECT of Brexit. It's because Brexiters is coming. So firms have changed their investment plans. Because after Brexit, whatever form of Brexit we have, the UK will be a less attractive place for firms to do business. And it's partly because of the big hike in inflation that we had immediately after the vote, because the Pound fell immediately. Because the markets are expecting Britain to be poorer, relative to our competitors, than we would be if we didn't leave the EU. Inflation and currency depreciation that made the raw materials we buy more expensive.Just like was predicted in would happen before the Referendum in 2016. And if you respond with, yeah but Osborne said...I swear I will f**king well spontaneously combust. But the majority of the population welcomed the prospect of Brexit. My question to you is, once the expected initial reaction of uncertainty which caused the hike in inflation had settled down, would acceptance of the result by the bitter losers have created a more confident reaction from investors?
Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark
Another expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801
SSGo on then. Give me an example of where he's been overtly politically partisan.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 04, 2019, 12:28:36 amSSGo on then. Give me an example of where he's been overtly politically partisan.It all depends on your opinion on what being overtly politically partisan means. Before the referendum, he publicly warned people against voting Brexit, in the same way that Obama came into our country and threatened us that if we voted Brexit, we'd go to the back of the queue for a trade deal.I think you've got selective amnesia at times.
You may not have voted for economic reasons, but economics will affect you if there is no deal.If we are going to leave and honour the referendum (voted on principles not details) then it makes total sense to have a deal to thrash out the practicalities.??
Quote from: IDM on April 04, 2019, 09:24:14 amYou may not have voted for economic reasons, but economics will affect you if there is no deal.If we are going to leave and honour the referendum (voted on principles not details) then it makes total sense to have a deal to thrash out the practicalities.??Absolutely, I'd love for the country to get a good deal. But likes been said before, no deal is better than a bad deal.
In the real world all problems are successfully solved eventually by negotiation. I've not seen one politician on the Brexit side convince me that they are capable of forming a group to solve this.I voted leave because I didn't want a more federal Europe but from what I have seen in the last three years, I would rather now remain and fight for change from the inside.I had some remainers telling me I was xenophobic,racist or stupid.I now have Brexiteers telling me that I knew exactly what I was voting for and we need a hard Brexit.Like many more I never for a minute expected a chance of leaving without a negotiated deal of some sorts.