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Quote from: Campsall rover on July 12, 2021, 10:49:20 amQuote from: DonnyNoel on July 12, 2021, 10:45:57 amI like how he hasn't fallen in to the trap of previous managers of "these are my best 11 players, I must get them on the pitch somehow" although then that leads to continuos clamour for a team containing Kane, Sterling, Foden , Sancho and Grealish.I think overall there's an element of moving the ball too slowly but part of me thinks thats still a personnel issue among our team. We don't have (and have rarely had) a midfielder that keeps it ticking over like a Pirlo or Iniesta or Modric. I know those are once in a generation players usually but I still think it's one bit of our puzzle that's missing.This team with Steven Gerrard in his prime (playing in his proper position) would be some team.We need better than Rice and Phillips in there, although Rice had a decent game last night
Quote from: DonnyNoel on July 12, 2021, 10:45:57 amI like how he hasn't fallen in to the trap of previous managers of "these are my best 11 players, I must get them on the pitch somehow" although then that leads to continuos clamour for a team containing Kane, Sterling, Foden , Sancho and Grealish.I think overall there's an element of moving the ball too slowly but part of me thinks thats still a personnel issue among our team. We don't have (and have rarely had) a midfielder that keeps it ticking over like a Pirlo or Iniesta or Modric. I know those are once in a generation players usually but I still think it's one bit of our puzzle that's missing.This team with Steven Gerrard in his prime (playing in his proper position) would be some team.
I like how he hasn't fallen in to the trap of previous managers of "these are my best 11 players, I must get them on the pitch somehow" although then that leads to continuos clamour for a team containing Kane, Sterling, Foden , Sancho and Grealish.I think overall there's an element of moving the ball too slowly but part of me thinks thats still a personnel issue among our team. We don't have (and have rarely had) a midfielder that keeps it ticking over like a Pirlo or Iniesta or Modric. I know those are once in a generation players usually but I still think it's one bit of our puzzle that's missing.
The last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that
This group is very young and immature. Putting aside point about our being able to reach final outside of England, this group will not peak for another 1-2 tournaments. Lots of other teams at back end of cycle eg Germany and Croatia. I’d say best is yet to come. Qatar is going to be tough to handle though.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 11:47:51 amThe last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that Er, if I recall England did not make the final. And on that note let’s talk about England’s progress in that competition. Group stage. Win against a poor Tunisia followed by a similar game against Panama. Two easy games on paper. Then lose against Belgium in a game the press billed as a “good one to lose” as it set up an easier next game. (Sound familiar?)Win against Columbia ((pens) then against Sweden before losing to Croatia in the semi. Couldn’t even beat Belgium to get third place. In many ways, this has been a carbon copy tournament with the exception of getting to the final. The current squad have been great. No doubt. But it’s not enough.
Quote from: normal rules on July 12, 2021, 12:00:03 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 11:47:51 amThe last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that Er, if I recall England did not make the final. And on that note let’s talk about England’s progress in that competition. Group stage. Win against a poor Tunisia followed by a similar game against Panama. Two easy games on paper. Then lose against Belgium in a game the press billed as a “good one to lose” as it set up an easier next game. (Sound familiar?)Win against Columbia ((pens) then against Sweden before losing to Croatia in the semi. Couldn’t even beat Belgium to get third place. In many ways, this has been a carbon copy tournament with the exception of getting to the final. The current squad have been great. No doubt. But it’s not enough. Drives me mad when people keep going on about our “easy” routes in tournamentsNo other supporters in the world would look at it in such a negative way. Have a look at the teams Portugal played in the last euro to win it, If donny got to the fa cup final would you care who they played. The fact is in this tournament we’ve beatenCroatia, the World Cup finalists who went on to draw with Spain Czech Republic who Knocked out Holland Germany Denmark who were as good as anyone after rhe first two games and had the massive motivation,And then we’ve lost on penalties in the final to a side who everyone has been raving about
England won’t make the final in Qatar next year. Or Euro 2024 in Germany. Or in the World Cup in the America’s in 2026.This year will be seen as the pinnacle of Southgate’s England stewardship. Last night was as good as it gets. The planets have aligned for England over recent weeks. They won’t do that again for a long time. Just my opinion and feeling based on the last 50 years. Hope to be proved wrong of course. But let’s get real with this.
Controversial but Is he as good a manager as the media would have us believe?Personally I think he is too negative and sets his team's up not to lose rather than to win.The only saves the Italian keeper had to make were the penalties.Discuss.
Quote from: normal rules on July 12, 2021, 11:45:50 amEngland won’t make the final in Qatar next year. Or Euro 2024 in Germany. Or in the World Cup in the America’s in 2026.This year will be seen as the pinnacle of Southgate’s England stewardship. Last night was as good as it gets. The planets have aligned for England over recent weeks. They won’t do that again for a long time. Just my opinion and feeling based on the last 50 years. Hope to be proved wrong of course. But let’s get real with this.Let’s not bother turning up then. Sorry completely disagree with you. This is just the beginning of a special era for our National team. We have a group of very talented young players who won’t be at their peak for another 3/4/5/6 years. The next 2 World Cups and Euros could just possibly give us a serious opportunity to achieve what we all are hoping for.
I’m very pleased that McMillan will benefit from your money. A very worthy cause indeed. And they will.
Quote from: normal rules on July 12, 2021, 01:57:18 pmI’m very pleased that McMillan will benefit from your money. A very worthy cause indeed. And they will. I misread your post. Apologies. No I most certainly don’t think they will. I hope they do of course. But it’s the hope that kills you. So you think they will make the final.......?
Sorry but it is fact we’ll never have a better chance. Cups are lotteries unlike leagues, so on the law of averages we won’t get there for a long time. Although Italy were probably the team of the tournament they are very average. The Italian left back last night hardly features for Chelsea, the Chelsea first choice left back can’t get on the pitch for us. Their midfield was decent but we never had a proper go at their ancient defenders, no outstanding striker for them either, no standout player like del Piero, Baggio etc, probably on a par with a mid table Prem team and we were petrified of them most of the game. We have a 4 good defenders all in their prime, why did we have to wrap them up in cotton wool?
Don’t talk daft, After they equalised they stayed on top for another 10-15 mins but after that it was very even and in extra time we looked like the side who wanted to score, Italy looked happy for pens.All the pundits said all that after Russia yet 3 years later we’ve done it again. Of course there’s teams you’d rather play but it’s ridiculous to say that’s the only reason we got to the final in an attempt to diminish the achievement.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 12:28:06 pmDon’t talk daft, After they equalised they stayed on top for another 10-15 mins but after that it was very even and in extra time we looked like the side who wanted to score, Italy looked happy for pens.All the pundits said all that after Russia yet 3 years later we’ve done it again. Of course there’s teams you’d rather play but it’s ridiculous to say that’s the only reason we got to the final in an attempt to diminish the achievement.If someone before the game had offered me 1-1 - into penalties and Pickford was going to save 2 of them - i would have taken it. Fantastic chance to win.Making two subs defending a corner was a bold move that nearly backfired massively.
A good point made on twitter by Rob Staton“ If Raheem Sterling wasn’t taking a penalty, why did Marcus Rashford come on for Kyle Walker and play the last three minutes at right back??”
Quote from: keyser_soze on July 12, 2021, 03:30:54 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 12:28:06 pmDon’t talk daft, After they equalised they stayed on top for another 10-15 mins but after that it was very even and in extra time we looked like the side who wanted to score, Italy looked happy for pens.All the pundits said all that after Russia yet 3 years later we’ve done it again. Of course there’s teams you’d rather play but it’s ridiculous to say that’s the only reason we got to the final in an attempt to diminish the achievement.If someone before the game had offered me 1-1 - into penalties and Pickford was going to save 2 of them - i would have taken it. Fantastic chance to win.Making two subs defending a corner was a bold move that nearly backfired massively.It wasn’t bold, it was stupid, Southgate was panicking that he wouldn’t get his penalty takers on in time, as throughout the game he left it late to do something, his mindset needs to change to make us a more offensive unit