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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Alan Southstand on July 03, 2020, 10:48:55 am
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According to DM, things will start to happen in earnest from Monday onwards.
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With the recruitment manager I feel that gives us an advantage as I’m sure targets would of been drawn up from January onwards
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Makes a change from September 🤪
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Hopefully we sign players and it doesn’t go on for weeks and weeks to give supporters something to moan about again.
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I'm surprised that we're looking at recruitment when we haven't had a date set for the start of the next season.
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I'm surprised that we're looking at recruitment when we haven't had a date set for the start of the next season.
Or any info re squad size and budgets
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I'm surprised that we're looking at recruitment when we haven't had a date set for the start of the next season.
I’m not.. we probably have a minimum budget for the manager based on a worst case scenario of playing behind closed doors until January at the earliest.
Also, if we don’t start recruiting now, we may end up behind the curve and look how this forum goes into meltdown when it looks like we haven’t signed enough players, or missed out.?
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It will be interesting to see how quickly or otherwise we sign any players.
Last summer when DM seemed to take an age to confirm his signings lots of posters excused him by saying he hadn’t been with us long and had to weigh things up (or words to that effect).
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Just read Gavins statement regarding next season to see what are the options we are exploring regarding budget
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I think Gavin said and it was reported by SM that the contracts would have scope to rise with circumstances improving.
I could be wrong but that's the way that I interpreted it.
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Hopefully the first signings will be the ones we have offered contracts to, then we can build on what we know is a decent base that is already here.
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Knowing our luck DM will be offered a job he can’t turn down and the start of the season will be a disaster again
I’m hoping that there will be some good standard players available that have been released
I can’t see Sadlier signing even if he is keeping in touch with DM
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Is it worth recapping what we have got, at this stage. Apparently, we have 12 signed on contracts:
First team squad
Lawlor
Usual back 4
Whiteman
Gomez
Taylor
Okenabirhie
Others:
Greaves
Horton
Hasani
Offered terms:
Copps
Blair
Jones
Amos
So, a possible 11 first team squad players, as we know them, plus Amos (if he signs).
The others have had very few appearances, if any, between them.
It’s a base, but there is quite a lot of work to do to get us back ‘competitive’ again. Comments, from GB lately, lead us to think we are going to see a few loanees this coming season, similar to previous ones. Ultimately, imho, these lads, whoever they are, will make or break our season. I hope/would like to see 3 or 4 permanents join us this summer, including the likes of Lokilo and (fingers crossed) Flanagan, both ex Palace.
Who knows how it will all pan out in the end, though.
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Anything that does happen is a bonus and I hope DM is not put under undue pressure with repetitive questions from fans via the press and the press themselves.
We should know by now he is a man of integrity and when he says 'You'll be the first to know" when contracts are signed, then we should allow him to get on with it.
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Half decent base to start with add a good mix of experience and youth plus the odd loan player that we maybe able to sign in the future.
The best thing would be to keep all players we have plus the ones offered new terms and we must keep hold of Darren Moore
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I think we need to offer those with just one year left an extension now as well, need to be building for a few years and not just year on year.
Where did this news come from?
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I’ll guess Lokilo is the first signing
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DFP article, today:
Rovers currently have only 12 contracted players for the 2020/21 campaign, though have offered four renewals which are currently being discussed with those involved.
Moore’s initial focus was on those contract talks but he told the Free Press that his attention will now firmly be on adding players to his squad.
“All we have tried to do so far is try to get those new contracts sorted as quickly as possible,” he said.
Once they are sorted, we then move onto the next stage and looking at the possibility of bringing in new faces and what clubs we can speak to in the loan market.
“We can go on from there and build from there.
“Now it’s about looking at the prospects of what is available out there.”
The rumour mill has already begun generating speculation about potential targets for Rovers but Moore insists there has been no contact made with any players at this stage.
Rovers’ talent identification manager Adam Henshall was brought off furlough this week in order to begin the hunt for signings alongside Moore.
“There’s going to be loads of interest in lots of players and there’s going to be speculation,” Moore said.
“I can say now there has been nothing of any sort that I’ve spoken about at the moment. Anything additional will be discussed towards the end of this week and into next week definitely.
“That’s the next port of call. It’s a competitive market of players out there.
“There’s plenty to do, plenty to see, plenty of discussions to be had between myself, Adam and Gavin [Baldwin, CEO].
“It’s a transfer market that is going to be out there that is very different than normal. There’s going to be real opportunities for clubs to get their young players out on loan and there’s going to be a lot of experienced players out there.
“It’s going to be a different transfer market and one that is going to take every bit of experience in identifying the right people to come in.”
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No one wants to play for NOTHING because that’s what we’ll be offering So Dream on Gavin !!
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No one wants to play for NOTHING because that’s what we’ll be offering So Dream on Gavin !!
So what are you suggesting?
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No one wants to play for NOTHING because that’s what we’ll be offering So Dream on Gavin !!
What twaddle! We'll be in the same situation as many and better placed than most to attract players.
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Ok .. if the budget was £2.5m or £3.5m say with support from the board what will it be with NO income ?
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Spouting your usual budgetary drivel imho
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Ok .. if the budget was £2.5m or £3.5m say with support from the board what will it be with NO income ?
We have income from Club Doncaster.
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There’s ifollow revenue too if we play behind closed doors.. ST revenue (free access to ifollow streaming would be a must) as well.
And what since 69 seems to forget, all clubs will be in the same situation apart from the handful of so-called bigger teams.
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We’ll also have:
* advertising revenues (albeit probably reduced)
* prize money relating to finishing place in the league in 19/20
We will also have match day revenues at some point...I hope. Plus, potentially player sales (we might need to) and cup income.
What’s clear is that the budget will be under pressure, but no one knows how much (until this plays out). Like most businesses now we will have a number of scenarios, with a maximum subsidy commitment from the owners built in. To me, it's surviving thats important, and what division we end up in is secondary, as I expect a major reorganisation of the leagues anyway after several clubs ceasing.
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Solidarity payment (EPL guilt money) is a decent chunk as well I seem to remember.
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For me; and it’s easy for me to say; but an investor would always say invest during a slump. Play our cards right here we could really build something far better than what we have had and at a fraction of the cost.
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Ok .. if the budget was £2.5m or £3.5m say with support from the board what will it be with NO income ?
Well you said NOTHING. Is that fact or fiction?
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Solidarity payment (EPL guilt money) is a decent chunk as well I seem to remember.
Last week in front of a commons select committee the representative of the EPL when asked a question from an MP about why they had not helped EFL financially when a number of Clubs could fold. His reply was they had never been asked by the EFL to help. When questioned again he insisted the EFL had never asked the EPL for help.
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There are losts of articles in press from March/April saying the EFL was asking the EPL for financial help and the Premier League say on their website that they have given £125m to the EFL - so is this wrong? Or is that bloke at the select committee wrong? They have either given money or they haven't?
https://www.premierleague.com/contact/faqs
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The League unanimously voted to advance funds of £125million to the EFL and National League because of the severe difficulties clubs throughout the pyramid have been suffering during the pandemic.
Well, they’ve voted!
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There are losts of articles in press from March/April saying the EFL was asking the EPL for financial help and the Premier League say on their website that they have given £125m to the EFL - so is this wrong? Or is that bloke at the select committee wrong? They have either given money or they haven't?
https://www.premierleague.com/contact/faqs
Solidarity payments was the £125m with 80% going to Championship clubs. The rest to League one and league 2. The EPL had voted to advance the solidarity payments in April.
Therefore the guy who answered the question was right the EFL had not asked for extra to help clubs who could fold.
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Good information there Steve.
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There are losts of articles in press from March/April saying the EFL was asking the EPL for financial help and the Premier League say on their website that they have given £125m to the EFL - so is this wrong? Or is that bloke at the select committee wrong? They have either given money or they haven't?
https://www.premierleague.com/contact/faqs
Solidarity payments was the £125m with 80% going to Championship clubs. The rest to League one and league 2. The EPL had voted to advance the solidarity payments in April.
Therefore the guy who answered the question was right the EFL had not asked for extra to help clubs who could fold.
But that's not correct, as I've posted elsewhere that comment from Richard Masters is very misleading.
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Having watched on the news that’s what he said even when pressed by the MP asking the questions. He said the EFL had not asked for financial help there had been no discussion held. He said the same thing again when the MP put him under pressure. It might be misleading but as I see it the £125m solidarity payment was advance on the payment the EFL would have got later in the year under normal circumstances.
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Just gone 10am and we’ve still not announced any signings yet.... absolute shambles
:chair: :evil: :P
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A lot of stories going around about us signing Lokilo. I just hope he doesn’t turn out to be another Ben Khemis
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Still looking for the pen :coat:
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A lot of stories going around about us signing Lokilo. I just hope he doesn’t turn out to be another Ben Khemis
Ben Khemis was signed for the development squad though. He wasn't signed as first team ready.
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Lokilo will be the league 1 Zaha. Even after only seeing 20 minutes of him I hope to god we sign him
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There’s ifollow revenue too if we play behind closed doors.. ST revenue (free access to ifollow streaming would be a must) as well.
And what since 69 seems to forget, all clubs will be in the same situation apart from the handful of so-called bigger teams.
YES all clubs are in the same boat but some clubs see opportunities where others see only doom and gloom. Some clubs will prepare for their stadiums for supporters to watch by offering practical solutions. Others want hand outs and gifts of cash from bottomless pits . I’ve yet to hear that football isn’t viable only that it will need time before it returns to normal . If players and clubs aren’t to just disappear off the planet then it’s the duty of every club to examine its own situation and circumstances and work with what it has . DRFC have stated they will fight on but will require supporters to dig deep in the short term with a promise to continue investing when supporters are back in our seats .
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What’s your suggestion Since 1969
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There’s ifollow revenue too if we play behind closed doors.. ST revenue (free access to ifollow streaming would be a must) as well.
And what since 69 seems to forget, all clubs will be in the same situation apart from the handful of so-called bigger teams.
YES all clubs are in the same boat but some clubs see opportunities where others see only doom and gloom. Some clubs will prepare for their stadiums for supporters to watch by offering practical solutions. Others want hand outs and gifts of cash from bottomless pits . I’ve yet to hear that football isn’t viable only that it will need time before it returns to normal . If players and clubs aren’t to just disappear off the planet then it’s the duty of every club to examine its own situation and circumstances and work with what it has . DRFC have stated they will fight on but will require supporters to dig deep in the short term with a promise to continue investing when supporters are back in our seats .
Do you have any examples of those clubs who have seen opportunities? Or ones with practical solutions?
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I’m still hoping for a Ben Sheaf return.
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I didn’t realise Sheaf still had a year left on his contract at Arsenal.
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I didn’t realise Sheaf still had a year left on his contract at Arsenal.
Same, I recall an article earlier in the year of him admitting his future doesn’t lie at Arsenal, guess we’ll find out over the next couple of months.
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Maybe another loan with a view to becoming permanent?
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We could sign Ben sheaf on a free with a percentage of his next sale going to Arsenal
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Darren Moore has said a few interesting things this last week, but the statement about the loanees this season having to be spot on and be able to work throughout the season is interesting.
Of the lads from last season, I would think Sheaf would be a good solid signing, as he now knows what it’s all about at this level. The 2 Wolves lads must have learned an awful lot from last season, but I can’t see both coming back this season. Maybe Ennis, but John will probably be tried at Championship level, to see if he can handle the step up.
I would have loved us to have signed Dieng, but, sadly, it looks like our chances of seeing him again are very slim indeed. So, I hope he finds another one just like Seny, as Lawlor has a lot of catching up to do (literally).
The Villa lad, Ramsay, will probably be in their first team squad next season, in the Championship.
That only really leaves Lurkio Lokilo and I’d like to see him back, permanent. Possibly joined by his Palace team mate, Flanagan, who was with us last season on trial. Those 2, signed on free’s, would be very good business for us, as they both have a lot of potential. As does the lad Dion Pereira, who played for the u23’s in just one game, on trial, but who was very impressive.
So, my personal wish list, so far, would be:
Loans. Permanents
Sheaf. Lokilo?
Ennis. Flanagan?
Keeper. Pereira?
Striker. (All the 3 above are attacking midfielders)
Utility player
Other players to be handed their first contracts, imho, would be Blythe and Smith, from the u18’s. Depending on funds, maybe Walker, Watson and McGowan also joining them. A lot will depend on the future of our u23 squad and whether we’ll have one.
For those of you who don’t see the u18’s, Ben Blythe is a very good central defender - not big in stature, but an excellent reader and passer. Junior Smith has the attributes to become a top striker, but he’s very much a ‘work in progress’, as he doesn’t quite possess that killer instinct, at times. He could develop into quite a handful, with the right development. The other 3 are right back, striker and central midfielder, respectively.
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Alan I go along with Sheaf but am not bothered about Ennis he was mostly average to me but would then come up with a moment when you think where did that come from, but the moments were too far between.
John is not as good as our own Wright and Anderson and was poor at left back, useful as cover for those two which is what he ended up but a waste of a loan who need to make a difference.
Walker and McGowan I am not sure they have the physic and pace at our level to kick on.
Pereira looked very good in that game, but against a younger side, if that was his normal form what is he doing trialing? and not at a club, but well worth following up on that form.
The two Palace guys would be a good move if they were prepared to come up here and have been released, who comes and who goes points to an exciting few months if we ever get going again soon.
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Disagree with you about Ennis, I think he can do a good job here. I think he could bulk up a bit perhaps.?
I’m reminded of when Brian Deane started - played like bambi on ice in his first season then came back fitter and stronger next, and didn’t last the season before we sold him.
I liked John at CB and we need at least 3 first choice players for those positions and one or two dependable reserves..
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Ennis improved as the season evolved, he will.keep getting better with experience.
Same with Sheaf he grew as he gained confidence and experience. He was outstanding at Sunderland I thought for example. Wasn't too keen at first but he improved a lot.
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Sheaf has all the technical ability to kick on. What he's missing is his decision making IMO, which will come from experience.
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A bit out of the box but how about Butler as cover he’s already on the books (I’m sure Scunny will be looking at making cuts) and would be a boon in developing a younger version
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Pretty sure Butts said he'd be leaving Scunny at the end of the season. I also tweeted him saying I hope he'd stay on at the Belles. He 'favourited' it.
Lets bring him back to where he's loved. Just as an experienced head in the dressing room etc.
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Selby:
Walker and McGowan I am not sure they have the physic and pace at our level to kick on.
That’s why I said ‘depending on funds’. I’m not sure whether young Walker is still able to play in this next season’s u18’s? We havn’t really got a reserve right back, other than Blair (if he signs). That’s not to say that I believe he’s ready for the first team - far from it, but he’s worth keeping on. With Will McGowan, I like what I see with him, but he is a bit lacking in the physicality area. His size really does count against him, but he is a great passer of the ball and he has good vision. He needs to grow another 300mm or so, to have a future.
Reading the latest from DM, it’s interesting to learn that we can’t really be reducing the squad size from last season, due to what will be a very congested season. So, I think we’re in for a very busy few weeks!
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Good positive article on DROS regarding Adam Henshall
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Andy Butler got released at Scunthorpe
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Selby:
Walker and McGowan I am not sure they have the physic and pace at our level to kick on.
That’s why I said ‘depending on funds’. I’m not sure whether young Walker is still able to play in this next season’s u18’s? We havn’t really got a reserve right back, other than Blair (if he signs). That’s not to say that I believe he’s ready for the first team - far from it, but he’s worth keeping on. With Will McGowan, I like what I see with him, but he is a bit lacking in the physicality area. His size really does count against him, but he is a great passer of the ball and he has good vision. He needs to grow another 300mm or so, to have a future.
Reading the latest from DM, it’s interesting to learn that we can’t really be reducing the squad size from last season, due to what will be a very congested season. So, I think we’re in for a very busy few weeks!
Your mention of Blair reminded me, has he and Copps signed their contracts yet?
I haven’t seen anything to suggest that they have done.
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Clearly not, otherwise it would have been on DROS and in the DFP etc..
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Mmmmm, so does that mean that technically they aren’t our players then.
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Mmmmm, so does that mean that technically they aren’t our players then.
Well if they are on furlough and haven’t signed then they won’t be getting paid this month presumably.
Sure they will be signing any time soon.
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I thought that even where contracts ended on 30 June there was a payment in July to tide players over.?
But yes, if the contracts have expired then in theory they won’t be our players until they sign new ones.?
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There’s ifollow revenue too if we play behind closed doors.. ST revenue (free access to ifollow streaming would be a must) as well.
And what since 69 seems to forget, all clubs will be in the same situation apart from the handful of so-called bigger teams.
YES all clubs are in the same boat but some clubs see opportunities where others see only doom and gloom. Some clubs will prepare for their stadiums for supporters to watch by offering practical solutions. Others want hand outs and gifts of cash from bottomless pits . I’ve yet to hear that football isn’t viable only that it will need time before it returns to normal . If players and clubs aren’t to just disappear off the planet then it’s the duty of every club to examine its own situation and circumstances and work with what it has . DRFC have stated they will fight on but will require supporters to dig deep in the short term with a promise to continue investing when supporters are back in our seats .
Do you have any examples of those clubs who have seen opportunities? Or ones with practical solutions?
There will those who see and those who can not , as there are those who prepare and do not ! Only time will show who is who ! Yoda !
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Talk that Scotland May have grounds open for the start of their new season
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As I've stated elsewhere, the SGSA will be in control of whether supporters will be allowed back into stadiums at the start of next season. So far the figure being bandied around is that an initial allocation will be 30% of capacity.
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As I've stated elsewhere, the SGSA will be in control of whether supporters will be allowed back into stadiums at the start of next season. So far the figure being bandied around is that an initial allocation will be 30% of capacity.
Think that would be ok for our season ticket holders approx 4500 maximum
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As long as ST holders get some form of discount on being able to watch live on iFollow, which I think would be reasonable, I'd have no problem making my spot available for someone else to attend live if there is a certain amount allowed in.
I just can't see myself feeling comfortable with sharing the space in an enclosed football stadium by the time next season starts.
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Can’t see there being any away fans allowed next season.
4,500 is way below our ‘normal’ break even figure, but with all the upheaval and job losses, who knows what the new normal break even figure will be. In a stadium built for over 15000 people, 4,500 does seem very low.
I think that will probably be the lowest, or worst case, figure. The reality may well end up a little higher than that.
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As long as ST holders get some form of discount on being able to watch live on iFollow, which I think would be reasonable, I'd have no problem making my spot available for someone else to attend live if there is a certain amount allowed in.
I just can't see myself feeling comfortable with sharing the space in an enclosed football stadium by the time next season starts.
I'm in this boat too. I go to games with my old man, who been shielding, and I'd prefer for him to not take a risk unnecessarily. Online would allow us to watch but remain safe.
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As long as ST holders get some form of discount on being able to watch live on iFollow, which I think would be reasonable, I'd have no problem making my spot available for someone else to attend live if there is a certain amount allowed in.
I just can't see myself feeling comfortable with sharing the space in an enclosed football stadium by the time next season starts.
I'm in this boat too. I go to games with my old man, who been shielding, and I'd prefer for him to not take a risk unnecessarily. Online would allow us to watch but remain safe.
I would suggest that IFollow will be available as a minimum, it's been a part of EFL discussions from day one.
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So DM says things will start to happen. This week coming
Fingers crossed
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If no away fans are permitted then that would mean Rovers fans could use all areas in the ground and effectively spread the fan base over a wider area. Rather than trying to fit say 6000-7500 'home' fans into 12000 seats - I don't know the exactly figures...; could we fit 3000 to 5000 'home' fans into into 15000 seats?
This would distribute fans to a wider seating area and lessen the Covid impact and risk to fans/stewards etc. If you added the requirement for all attendees to wear face masks, distancing whilst entering/exiting the ground and applied sensible pathways through the stadium and within the catering & toilet areas, it could be feasible to have a reasonable amount of fans inside the stadium... It just needs people to be sensible, responsible and to adhere to the rules............. which might be where the plan might fail..... :ermm:
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I’m all for it the only problem I foresee is the numpties in front of me who have the whole row stood up to let them in and out 3 or 4 times per half
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I’m all for it the only problem I foresee is the numpties in front of me who have the whole row stood up to let them in and out 3 or 4 times per half
Not much social distancing when that happens :lol:
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RA, does that mean that you would notify the club beforehand that you would not be attending in person to allow them to sell that seat if there was a demand? while you could watch on line for free.
If so I think it is a good idea, and a magnanimous gesture to the club making it possible for the club to generate income from that same seat, without you missing out watching your team too much.
As a regular away attendee I would be very interested in an away game season ticket on ifollow if away travel is banned, and possibly if there was a big enough take up could generate more income for the club than the percentage they receive for selling away tickets to fans.
The only adverse repercussion would be the team playing in an entirely hostile environment, although I expect it to be so all next season with away supporters not allowed to attend.
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There have got to be ways to get fans (safely) back.
I know there is a thread on redundancies which are never good, however I’ve often thought that turnstile operators were not needed - tickets or membership cards merely scanned thus cutting down on one area of social distancing
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Aye Selby that's right, I have a ST for next season that I won't be asking for a refund on so if there is something in place and my seat can go to someone else for those games where I'm not comfortable attending then I'd like to facilitate that happening.
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So we can all forget about wanting Barnsley, Hull, and Huddersfield to come down for 6 great derby games next season.
Without away fans, there'll be no such thing as a derby game. The games against the above mentioned teams will have no more meaning than those against all the other teams.
Let's stop deluding ourselves. Next season's going to be a non-event; that is if there is a season.
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I think we may start off without (at least away) fans but introduce more as the season goes on
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I think we may start off without (at least away) fans but introduce more as the season goes on
Good point Dude, but the lack of, or reduction of, fans in the stadiums, could seriously damage the revenue streams of a lot of League 1 and League 2 clubs.
Unless this virus f*cks off, I just can't see a full season of fixtures being completed.
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Steve, I would hope that all those fixtures (if they come to fruition) would be arranged for the back end of any season to give the clubs at least a chance of more revenue even if they are arranged for successive games at home and away.
But any chance of a crowd at matches has to be explored, and with outside theatres being given the go ahead, then we have a chance of seeing any repercussions with attendances at open air venues.
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3rd of July recruitment starts next week. Maybe I’ve missed the reports of players that have signed
Could this be same old same old
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I reckon that the announcement of Copps re signing will be the best news.
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3rd of July recruitment starts next week. Maybe I’ve missed the reports of players that have signed
Could this be same old same old
What do you think “recruitment” starting actually means.?
Do you think it means announcement of actual signings, or the start of the formal process of talking with the staff involved with recruitment and with potential signings’ agents.?
I suggest the latter.
There can’t be “same old”’ this close season as this is a close season like no other.
I suppose there has to be someone who starts the “where’s the signings yet” discussion.
We will have to be patient, and trust in DM.
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3rd of July recruitment starts next week. Maybe I’ve missed the reports of players that have signed
Could this be same old same old
What do you think “recruitment” starting actually means.?
Do you think it means announcement of actual signings, or the start of the formal process of talking with the staff involved with recruitment and with potential signings’ agents.?
I suggest the latter.
There can’t be “same old”’ this close season as this is a close season like no other.
I suppose there has to be someone who starts the “where’s the signings yet” discussion.
We will have to be patient, and trust in DM.
That’s all well and good but have we got a pen yet?
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3rd of July recruitment starts next week. Maybe I’ve missed the reports of players that have signed
Could this be same old same old
What do you think “recruitment” starting actually means.?
Do you think it means announcement of actual signings, or the start of the formal process of talking with the staff involved with recruitment and with potential signings’ agents.?
I suggest the latter.
There can’t be “same old”’ this close season as this is a close season like no other.
I suppose there has to be someone who starts the “where’s the signings yet” discussion.
We will have to be patient, and trust in DM.
That’s all well and good but have we got a pen yet?
Nah mate. New covid restrictions - its all contactless now...
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Recruitment starts means we'll be talking to players and trying to make up the best contract package we can offer. Wouldn't surprise if we don't announce any signings this month.
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Bloody rubbish...sack Darren, sack Gavin, sack the Board, sack the fans...no ambition at all!!!
Seriously though, 7 signings in the whole division so far, excluding youngsters and loan returns, with only Coventry (that beacon of financial and owner stability) really paying fees.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3/plus/?saison_id=2020&s_w=&leihe=1&intern=0&intern=1
Almost every club is trying to work out how to survive, so hardly surprising that signings aren’t being made.
Patience...
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I would take Armand Gnanduillet on a free 28 y o.
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Bloody rubbish...sack Darren, sack Gavin, sack the Board, sack the fans...no ambition at all!!!
Seriously though, 7 signings in the whole division so far, excluding youngsters and loan returns, with only Coventry (that beacon of financial and owner stability) really paying fees.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/transfers/wettbewerb/GB3/plus/?saison_id=2020&s_w=&leihe=1&intern=0&intern=1
Almost every club is trying to work out how to survive, so hardly surprising that signings aren’t being made.
Patience...
Astounding that Coventry have just shelled out nearly £1.5million on one player. They don't even have a stadium FFS.
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Me too - always liked him against rovers
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I would take Armand Gnanduillet on a free 28 y o.
Always looked good against us, but his overall goal record isn’t great until this season (19/20 - 1 goal every 2 games). I’d be in favour though...and we’d certainly have the hardest to spell frontline in history with him and Feyi! (-:
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I would take Armand Gnanduillet on a free 28 y o.
Always looked good against us, but his overall goal record isn’t great until this season (19/20 - 1 goal every 2 games). I’d be in favour though...and we’d certainly have the hardest to spell frontline in history with him and Feyi! (-:
Gand & Feyi. Keep it simple. :)
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I would take Armand Gnanduillet on a free 28 y o.
Always looked good against us, but his overall goal record isn’t great until this season (19/20 - 1 goal every 2 games). I’d be in favour though...and we’d certainly have the hardest to spell frontline in history with him and Feyi! (-:
He didn't look good against us when he missed 3 sitters for Chesterfield a few years back in Our 3-2 win at the Keepmoat.
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You have a better memory than me Eastender!
Perhaps I should have specified whilst playing for Blackpool. :)
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I would take Armand Gnanduillet on a free 28 y o.
Always looked good against us, but his overall goal record isn’t great until this season (19/20 - 1 goal every 2 games). I’d be in favour though...and we’d certainly have the hardest to spell frontline in history with him and Feyi! (-:
His record ain’t great but he was off to Derby in January but it didn’t happen. He is out of contract so will be picked up by someone in Championship. He is out of our league, however modest his goal return.
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Chris Brown wasn’t a prolific scorer but I would have always had him in my team.
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He’d be a handful at our level. I’m not sure DM would want him but he presents us with a ‘plan B’ if we were to get him. As for being out of our league; he was at Blackpool, not Blackburn!
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Why have Blackpool released him. There will be a reason.
Is it a football decision or a financial one?
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He might have just let his contract run down, his own decision.
Edit.. just checked, it is his own decision.
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He might have just let his contract run down, his own decision.
Edit.. just checked, it is his own decision.
Thanks hound. He must be confident of getting a new club in at least league 1 or he has already been tapped up by someone.
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He has just had the best season of his career, a goal every other game.
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It will be like Sadlier with us, he's after a new challenge at a club with loftier ambitions than Blackpool.
I touted him as a suggested signing for us last summer, and he's had such a good season he's probably out of our reach now - although I'm happy with Okenabirhie anyway as our #9.
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Agreed Alias, but, as you well know, we need more than one striker! (Injuries/suspensions, etc).
I’m guessing here, but I would imagine that we may well look for a loan player to compete for the striker berth. It will depend on finances, terms, etc.
I see someone like Fleetwood moving in for him, after all, they’re just down the road!
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He might have just let his contract run down, his own decision.
Edit.. just checked, it is his own decision.
Thanks hound. He must be confident of getting a new club in at least league 1 or he has already been tapped up by someone.
Cardiff were interested.
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It’s hard to know where to place expectation this summer. We’ve continued to reduce the wage bill but, in all honesty, that’s very much necessary in these circumstances. As a fan, normally there’s the sense of excitement at the prospect of making new signings and seeing them in action, but even that doesn’t really feel like it’s there at the moment as it’s hard to know when we’ll be able to get to a game. That makes it so difficult for the club not knowing where its income streams are going to come back, or how quickly they’ll return (allowing for consumer confidence) even when the gates are opened.
I guess at the moment I’m not expecting or anticipating any influx of new additions. The focus has to be on survival right now and making sure we still have a club to support when we all go back, so the hopes and demands just aren’t the same. I know DM has said in the press that he wants a squad together early, and you can see the logic from a football perspective, but there’s more to think about right now. I’m grateful to the owners for keeping the club going and football itself is secondary.
Realistically, I’d expect Whiteman to be off if we get a decent offer in.
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Just noticed that no one has mentioned that AJ Greaves has got a need contract and Moore hopes he will become part of the midfield
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He’s not quite there yet, dknward2, but he’s going in the right direction. A combative lad, of that there’s no question, but he has been susceptible to the ‘red mist’ at times and it sees him yellow carded quite often. Ok at u23 level, but not in the first team; he’d soon be found out, wound up and, ultimately, red carded.
Not the tallest, but he’s a grafter all right and he’s deceptively strong, for one so slight. I would think a bench sitter this next season, if everything was back to normal, but who knows?
It’s worth mentioning Hasani as well, at this point. Had a disruptive season due to injuries, but one to watch out for this coming season, especially if he bulks up a bit through the summer. He was getting back to showing the promise when making his debut, under McCann, until the season was cut short. He still has a season left on his contract and he’ll be trying to prove he’s worth keeping (same with young Branden Horton).
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I think we may start off without (at least away) fans but introduce more as the season goes on
Good point Dude, but the lack of, or reduction of, fans in the stadiums, could seriously damage the revenue streams of a lot of League 1 and League 2 clubs.
Unless this virus f*cks off, I just can't see a full season of fixtures being completed.
How do you complete a season then ?
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Next season is gonna be another weird one I suspect. It's prefer us to try to get a young hungry squad, and almost five them a year to bed in together with the aim of promotion the year after.
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According to DM, things will start to happen in earnest from Monday onwards.
Is it today that we can 'officially' sign new players or has the goal posts moved again?
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Why would the goal posts have moved again.?
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Why would the goal posts have moved again.?
Because occasionally things change....?
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DM said he wanted the majority of new recruits reporting for training on the first day back, which i believe is next Monday.
So he had better get that pen out pretty soon.
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Why would the goal posts have moved again.?
Because occasionally things change....?
I think that there will be all kinds of consultation etc behind the scenes leading to the decision on the season start date and the transfer window. All sorts of other things depend upon those dates, so whilst it is still a struggle to envisage spectators getting back in yet, I really cannot see the dates changing.
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Why would the goal posts have moved again.?
Because occasionally things change....?
I think that there will be all kinds of consultation etc behind the scenes leading to the decision on the season start date and the transfer window. All sorts of other things depend upon those dates, so whilst it is still a struggle to envisage spectators getting back in yet, I really cannot see the dates changing.
I greatly appreciate your insight...
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According to DM, things will start to happen in earnest from Monday onwards.
Is it today that we can 'officially' sign new players or has the goal posts moved again?
Free agents could have been signed for a while now tbf.
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Loved the one a day we used to have with John Ryan. Next week might be like that.
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My question answered...
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/key-dates-doncaster-rovers-can-sign-new-players-summer-transfer-window-opens-2925034
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I see McAnthony's radio mouthpiece on Talksport Adrian Durham is jibing about teams in L1 signing players when they couldn't afford to finish the season!
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
They can buy as many as they want as quickly as they want, so long as we're not interested in the players.
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And every one of those clubs finished below us last season. Not losing any sleep over mass signings by no mark clubs, when this has happened in the past (Bury, Scunthorpe) we haven’t suffered.
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
Oxford have signed Joel Cooper from Linfield on a 3 year deal
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
Is the plymouth one the resigning of that knobhead goalkeeper?
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That’s what I thought, Guernsey! He’ll get a warm welcome.
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
Alan, I would suggest that the top two or three of those clubs were rushing to get players signed, on high salaries, so as to beat the salary cap cut-off date. If they have done that then those players would have their salary capped at the average for the length of their contract.
Our approach of course is very much the right moral approach in this Covid era, how can we go out splashing the cash when we are busy making employees redundant? Not only that but I would suggest we have our proportion of high earners already so we have little desire to add to them.
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
Alan, I would suggest that the top two or three of those clubs were rushing to get players signed, on high salaries, so as to beat the salary cap cut-off date. If they have done that then those players would have their salary capped at the average for the length of their contract.
Our approach of course is very much the right moral approach in this Covid era, how can we go out splashing the cash when we are busy making employees redundant? Not only that but I would suggest we have our proportion of high earners already so we have little desire to add to them.
Judging by your last line there would you say we’ll therefore be looking at young/unproven players or squad filler to pad out the bench rather than anyone we’d expect to make an immediate, telling impact on the first team?
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The high earners will be the core players like Whiteman, Okenabirhie, Anderson, Taylor and James plus I would imagine Copps will be on a decent wage even with the pay cut. Add on to those players like Lawlor Wright, Halliday and Gomes then wages do get eaten up.
If we can get in the 5 or 6 loans for little or no wages all the better, add on 3 to 4 free transfers of young players I.e under 21 so they don’t go to salary cap then I think we will be in a good position to push for a playoff spot
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So far, 7 league 1 clubs have been involved in signing players. They are:
Bristol Rovers - 5
Blackpool - 4
Lincoln - 3
MK Dons - 2
Burton - 1
Plymouth - 1
Northampton - 1
That’s as per BBC transfers section, 29th July.
Alan, I would suggest that the top two or three of those clubs were rushing to get players signed, on high salaries, so as to beat the salary cap cut-off date. If they have done that then those players would have their salary capped at the average for the length of their contract.
Our approach of course is very much the right moral approach in this Covid era, how can we go out splashing the cash when we are busy making employees redundant? Not only that but I would suggest we have our proportion of high earners already so we have little desire to add to them.
Judging by your last line there would you say we’ll therefore be looking at young/unproven players or squad filler to pad out the bench rather than anyone we’d expect to make an immediate, telling impact on the first team?
Nick, I think it would be wrong to interpret that last line like that.
Do I think we will be signing young players? Yes.
Do I think we will be signing unproven players? Define unproven for me. But no.
Do I think we'll be signing bench and squad fillers? Absolutely not.
The point I was making is that the spine of our team is firmly in place, our mainstays are still here, with the exception of Sadlier. Therefore we have no desire to dash out and sign players on large contracts to meet a date that caps the salary levels. That doesn't mean we won't do that, but as a club we are in a reasonable place to ride that out and plan for a future that is not only sustainable and meets the new criteria, but one that will give us a team that will be better than last seasons. And all done by being the sensible club that we are.
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The high earners will be the core players like Whiteman, Okenabirhie, Anderson, Taylor and James plus I would imagine Copps will be on a decent wage even with the pay cut. Add on to those players like Lawlor Wright, Halliday and Gomes then wages do get eaten up.
If we can get in the 5 or 6 loans for little or no wages all the better, add on 3 to 4 free transfers of young players I.e under 21 so they don’t go to salary cap then I think we will be in a good position to push for a playoff spot
Yes, my thoughts entirely.
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Was the Salary Cap vote supposed to be yesterday or have I remembered that wrong?
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Was the Salary Cap vote supposed to be yesterday or have I remembered that wrong?
Tomorrow.
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It was reported in another thread as being 29th July, that’s what has confused the issue.
Martin, my reporting of the various signings is for no other purpose than to keep everyone informed as to what is happening elsewhere. If anything, my underlying thoughts when I posted was that there are not that many Clubs active. The ones that are, to me, a bit surprising!
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It was reported in another thread as being 29th July, that’s what has confused the issue.
Martin, my reporting of the various signings is for no other purpose than to keep everyone informed as to what is happening elsewhere. If anything, my underlying thoughts when I posted was that there are not that many Clubs active. The ones that are, to me, a bit surprising!
Alan, they've changed the date a couple of times, so understandable.
The clubs that are active are not surprising really.
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Well, after yesterday’s update, we can add Peterborough and Sunderland to the list, from Wigan and Millwall respectively.
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I think caution is understandable, no point in rushing in to the market. Arguably we're at a strong point with the core of the team in place right now. We probably need 6 or 7 signings to supplement what we have, it won't be a season for a big squad. Anyone who can afford that may have an advantage but it's not the time to gamble. There is a very real chance that if fans do get back to games that will stop again at some point and the club need to think of that contingency. IF the virus picks up again we may see the season stopped, that's a very real possibility so it is hard to commit to contracts.
Equally, luck and fitness will be important so there needs to be a focus on trying to sign players who aren't as prone to injury, it complicates things a bit.
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They will be a hell of a lot of players that find them selfs without a club for this coming season so if fans are allowed back in, then there’s nothing to say the board won’t increase Moore’s budget and he can bring a free transfer or 2 in during the season
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I do wonder what a lot of people - players, fans - are smoking at the moment. We need 11 players on the pitch but it is going to be economics of madhouse to start signing players on anything like decent wages or contracts beyond 12 months. Nobody has any idea what League One and below are going to look like come Christmas let alone end of season. Unless EPL start loaning players out for free, cannot see how we or any sane club CEO or owner is going to sanction spending beyond the absolute minimum.
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Was the Salary Cap vote supposed to be yesterday or have I remembered that wrong?
Tomorrow.
I've been looking around and a lot of news outlets are saying this vote isn't until next week, and it seems that has been the case for a couple of days? A real lack of consistent information going around about this whole thing it would seem.
Not from you I mean, just overall across the spectrum of media etc.
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Was the Salary Cap vote supposed to be yesterday or have I remembered that wrong?
Tomorrow.
I've been looking around and a lot of news outlets are saying this vote isn't until next week, and it seems that has been the case for a couple of days? A real lack of consistent information going around about this whole thing it would seem.
Not from you I mean, just overall across the spectrum of media etc.
Yep, there's been a consistent push back on the date for a few weeks. However the actual content has hardly changed, just the cut-off date for those currently on contracts which has moved about 3 times now. The feeling is its being done on purpose to suit various parties.
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There's a lot of uncertainty around about next season...... I see Middlesbrough have suspended season ticket sales until there is more clarity on fans...
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough-fc/middlesbroughs-suspension-season-ticket-sales-highlights-footballs-coronavirus-uncertainties-2929584
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There's a lot of uncertainty around about next season...... I see Middlesbrough have suspended season ticket sales until there is more clarity on fans...
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough-fc/middlesbroughs-suspension-season-ticket-sales-highlights-footballs-coronavirus-uncertainties-2929584
Most clubs have. It's difficult to sell a ticket when you have no idea what the buyer gets for their money.
We do think, DRFC that is, that we will be able to allow a sizeable crowd into the Keepmoat. It's one of the advantages of being a relatively new stadium with large concourse areas and numerous entry and exit points.
We'll have to see though, discussions are at an early stage although the EFL met yesterday (I think) to discuss this very issue.
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There's a lot of uncertainty around about next season...... I see Middlesbrough have suspended season ticket sales until there is more clarity on fans...
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough-fc/middlesbroughs-suspension-season-ticket-sales-highlights-footballs-coronavirus-uncertainties-2929584
We'll have to see though, discussions are at an early stage although the EFL met yesterday (I think) to discuss this very issue.
Well if the EFL met yesterday we should get a decision in no time... :lol:
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Given that the government today is looking to delay spectators returning to stadia, it seems a bit unfair to have a pop at the EFL.
I’m not defending the EFL and it is far from perfect but they surely are reliant on government directives too.?
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So did the salary cap vote take place today?
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I have just read the vote will now take place on August 6th.Will that be to late for this coming season?
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Unbelievable!
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I have just read the vote will now take place on August 6th.Will that be to late for this coming season?
Only 5 days time so can't see it being a problem. I'm guessing most clubs will leave it as late as possible so they aren't paying players for weeks on end
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Unbelievable!
Sadly, it’s completely believable.
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I have just read the vote will now take place on August 6th.Will that be to late for this coming season?
My Birthday 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
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:that:
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:that:
Your birthday too?
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Add another 10 days and it's mine. Same day as Elvis died.
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Add another 10 days and it's mine. Same day as Elvis died.
If you want significant dates mine is the same date as Hiroshima
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On the day I was born - so was Microsoft!
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I was born on the same day as Gordon Ramsey if that means owt.
Few years apart, mind... :)
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Mine is the same day as the sheep 🐑 fair in Retford
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Mine is the same day as the sheep 🐑 fair in Retford
Lucky ewe.😉
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Mine is the same day as the sheep 🐑 fair in Retford
Meh.
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:party:The thing that gets me in all this We can’t get a straight answer. DM said he wants them in for first day of training, then we would not get anyone in as the prem and championship was still playing. Then we can take stock of what we need. Now it’s we can’t bring anyone in cos they haven’t started pre-season so they don’t know who is available. Why don’t they keep shut till they know, then it doesn’t look so silly
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The thing that gets me in all this Oswego can’t get a straight answer, DM said he wants them in for first day of training, then we would not get anyone in as the prem and champion was still playing then we and them can take stock, now it’s we can’t bring anyone in cos they haven’t started pre-season so they don’t know who is available. Why don’t they keep shut till they know, then it doesn’t look so silly
Who's Oswego...?
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I don’t know ask your self
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Do you never make mistakes
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Add another 10 days and it's mine. Same day as Elvis died.
If you want significant dates mine is the same date as Hiroshima
Never had you down as being 75 years old mate 😁
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Add another 10 days and it's mine. Same day as Elvis died.
If you want significant dates mine is the same date as Hiroshima
Never had you down as being 75 years old mate 😁
😂😂😂😂. 18 years younger 🤪
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Mines the same day as Pearl Harbour
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I see Herbie is on the transfer list, not much chance if procuring his services though
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I see Herbie is on the transfer list, not much chance if procuring his services though
Yet his name keeps coming up, almost like some have a love bug for him?
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Not a fan then?
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I see Herbie is on the transfer list, not much chance if procuring his services though
Yet his name keeps coming up, almost like some have a love bug for him?
Not a fan then?
I think he is referring to Herbie and the film Herbie goes bananas.
Herbie was a VW Beetle, also known as a Bug.
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Haaa, I am old enough to remember Herbie and my 1st car was a bright yellow beetle WWR972L