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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Bentley Bullet on November 21, 2020, 04:44:45 pm
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.....Unfair on the word 'shite'.
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Utter garbage. One nil down with 2 minutes to go and we’re passing sideways and backwards to the goalie. It’s pathetic.
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And scoring!
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I laughed when we scored we were that bad. Completely opposite went mental v Wimbledon.
Kind of serves Sunderland right a bit as they never remotely tried for a second goal.
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2 teams playing believe it or not.
Sunderland were very good without the ball.
Yes we were a bit rusty after lay off.
Some of the comments on here from so called supporters are embarrassing.
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Point is a point. I'll just pretend the game didn't happen, it was that bad.
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Sunderland stopped us playing stayed in shape stronger our passing wasn’t good sometimes but we scored got a draw. Okenabirhie couldn’t miss but could have scored before that. We were poor but was that because Sunderland set up to stop us playing they were no better going forward than us. Draw for me right result it was not shit it was just not entertaining from both sides.
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2 teams playing believe it or not.
Sunderland were very good without the ball.
Yes we were a bit rusty after lay off.
Some of the comments on here from so called supporters are embarrassing.
To say they were "very good without the ball" is generous. Rovers were awful in possession and offered nothing going forward, so it wasn't exactly hard for them to look good off the ball. Yes they were well drilled, but there was absolutely no threat for most of the game.
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Point is a point. I'll just pretend the game didn't happen, it was that bad.
I hope Moore doesn’t brush it off so easily. We got away with it today but some serious issues to address. Sunderland played well and did a job on us but there was a lack of urgency all the way through, some awful passing and a lack of ideas. You can’t just write that performance off, it needs addressing.
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I was obviously glad when we scored but what a travesty it made of the result. I just hope that the one and only positive to take from the game doesn't paper over the cracks.
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Sunderland stopped us playing stayed in shape stronger our passing wasn’t good sometimes but we scored got a draw. Okenabirhie couldn’t miss but could have scored before that. We were poor but was that because Sunderland set up to stop us playing they were no better going forward than us. Draw for me right result it was not shit it was just not entertaining from both sides.
Someone who understands the game of football. :thumbsup:
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10 outfield traffic cones, the movement was non existent every ball to Fej bounced off him, someone needed to get nearer to him, we got lucky, deserved nothing and the last minute goal should not take away the fact that they all need a good kick up the arse!
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How we have got a point out of that is beyond me, a more lethargic performance you will struggle to see. Awful performance start to finish.
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Sunderland stopped us playing stayed in shape stronger our passing wasn’t good sometimes but we scored got a draw. Okenabirhie couldn’t miss but could have scored before that. We were poor but was that because Sunderland set up to stop us playing they were no better going forward than us. Draw for me right result it was not shit it was just not entertaining from both sides.
If you thought a draw was the right result you are deluded.
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Did anyone actually complete a pass? Think there was one in the second half.
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How we have got a point out of that is beyond me, a more lethargic performance you will struggle to see. Awful performance start to finish.
Probably agree with this. They didn't really threaten. Certainly they looked more composed and organised, but the piledriver aside I think they had one other shot on goal?
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end of game stats on iFollow had us 1% better than Sunderland on attacking pass completion... :woot: :woot: :woot:
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Sunderland stopped us playing stayed in shape stronger our passing wasn’t good sometimes but we scored got a draw. Okenabirhie couldn’t miss but could have scored before that. We were poor but was that because Sunderland set up to stop us playing they were no better going forward than us. Draw for me right result it was not shit it was just not entertaining from both sides.
Someone who understands the game of football. :thumbsup:
I can't decide whether you actually believe that or are you taking the piss.
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Halliday man of the match by some distance.
EasyforDennis don’t suppose you agree. ;)
Whiteman’s passing was way off today and Sims lacked his usual zip.
Lokilo hangs on to the ball too long. Needs to get the ball in much quicker.
How many fouls were there on him though.
Yes we were definitely rusty and Sunderland had a game plan to stop us playing.
We got lucky with that penalty shout 1st half. Makes up for last season at Stadium of Light.
We kept at it and got a bit of luck. How many times have we outplayed the opposition and lost or drawn.
We were due a bit of fortune were we not.
That goal & point will lift the lads & expect to see a much more vibrant performance on Tuesday against Blackpool.
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Did anyone actually complete a pass? Think there was one in the second half.
We completed loads of passes. Unfortunately they were all back to the keeper.
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Anyone who thinks Sunderland were the reason we couldn't complete 6 yard passed and stand on heels for most of the game is deluded
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That's the first time in a long, long time that we've been comfortably second best all game and got a point.
It happens. It happens the other way round to us often enough.
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New keeper did well. Anderson and Wright ok. Not sure what the deal is playing James in centre midfield. Whiteman missed more passes today than he will for the rest of the season. We had one advantage over Sunderland and it was pace. We didn't have the ability to take advantage of that.
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Halliday man of the match by some distance.
EasyforDennis don’t suppose you agree. ;)
Whiteman’s passing was way off today and Sims lacked his usual zip.
Lokilo hangs on to the ball too long. Needs to get the ball in much quicker.
How many fouls were there on him though.
Yes we were definitely rusty and Sunderland had a game plan to stop us playing.
We got lucky with that penalty shout 1st half. Makes up for last season at Stadium of Light.
We kept at it and got a bit of luck. How many times have we outplayed the opposition and lost or drawn.
We were due a bit of fortune were we not.
That goal & point will lift the lads & expect to see a much more vibrant performance on Tuesday against Blackpool.
Actually I agree. Halliday was MOTM. Nobody except the keeper came remotely close
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We are two points better off this season after 11 games, than we were at same point last season. Having scored more and conceded less this season. We have also been through a lot of the bigger clubs in those 11 games this season.
2020/21 - P11, W5, D3, L3, POINTS 18 - F19, A12 +7
2019/20 - P11, W4, D4, L3, POINTS 16 - F13, A13 +0
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The less said about that the better.
Equaliser really papered over the cracks there. We had no urgency, no tempo, didn't really create a proper chance all game, and failed to change anything when we were playing into Sunderland's hands.
Credit to Halliday for actually showing some urgency and willingness to make something happen, because he was just about the only one.
I haven't seen every game this season, but other than Bristol Rovers I'm struggling to think of one I've seen where we've actually been any good (albeit I did miss Ipswich)
Finding us really frustrating to watch atm and hope we can improve, as I think we've got a good enough squad to do well this year.
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Halliday man of the match by some distance.
EasyforDennis don’t suppose you agree. ;)
Whiteman’s passing was way off today and Sims lacked his usual zip.
Lokilo hangs on to the ball too long. Needs to get the ball in much quicker.
How many fouls were there on him though.
Yes we were definitely rusty and Sunderland had a game plan to stop us playing.
We got lucky with that penalty shout 1st half. Makes up for last season at Stadium of Light.
We kept at it and got a bit of luck. How many times have we outplayed the opposition and lost or drawn.
We were due a bit of fortune were we not.
That goal & point will lift the lads & expect to see a much more vibrant performance on Tuesday against Blackpool.
Actually I agree. Halliday was MOTM. Nobody except the keeper came remotely close
Are you feeling ok. :zzz: :) Pleased you agree. The back 4 & Keeper all did well. Still much prefer Reece James at LB to Cameron John though.
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Halliday man of the match by some distance.
EasyforDennis don’t suppose you agree. ;)
Whiteman’s passing was way off today and Sims lacked his usual zip.
Lokilo hangs on to the ball too long. Needs to get the ball in much quicker.
How many fouls were there on him though.
Yes we were definitely rusty and Sunderland had a game plan to stop us playing.
We got lucky with that penalty shout 1st half. Makes up for last season at Stadium of Light.
We kept at it and got a bit of luck. How many times have we outplayed the opposition and lost or drawn.
We were due a bit of fortune were we not.
That goal & point will lift the lads & expect to see a much more vibrant performance on Tuesday against Blackpool.
Actually I agree. Halliday was MOTM. Nobody except the keeper came remotely close
Are you feeling ok. :zzz: :) Pleased you agree. The back 4 & Keeper all did well. Still much prefer Reece James at LB to Cameron John though.
Can't agree about Jo Wright he had a poor game. Sorry Cameron John is not a left back. The rest don't warrant a mention.
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I thought Joe Wright had a good game but yes, Halliday MOM for me.
Sunderland thought they had the game in their pocket on 70 minutes (as did I!), so they 'eased off' & lo & behold, we did what so many teams have done to us in the past couple of seasons, nicked a point. How sweet is that?
It makes Tuesday's game against Blackpool so much more 'interesting'.
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Halliday was definitely man of the match today,
We need James Or Amos at left back
Smith and whiteman in the middle of the park
But our main issue is our striker, he isn’t good enough, about half a dozen times today smith or whiteman rolled it into his feet and he just let the centre half get there first.
Good balls get played into the box and he’s 3 or 4 yards away.
Lots of our problems are caused by him not holding onto the ball
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The less said about that the better.
Equaliser really papered over the cracks there. We had no urgency, no tempo, didn't really create a proper chance all game, and failed to change anything when we were playing into Sunderland's hands.
Credit to Halliday for actually showing some urgency and willingness to make something happen, because he was just about the only one.
I haven't seen every game this season, but other than Bristol Rovers I'm struggling to think of one I've seen where we've actually been any good (albeit I did miss Ipswich)
Finding us really frustrating to watch atm and hope we can improve, as I think we've got a good enough squad to do well this year.
Played very well against Charlton, Bristol Rovers, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Lincoln. Outplayed Wigan 1st half and should have been out of sight. Played well enough to have beaten Crewe but missed chances. Should have won comfortably at Wimbledon.
Only really poor performance was at Plymouth where we only played for 15 mins and the 2nd half at Wigan where we completely switched off.
Today we were lethargic and looked rusty after our lay off. Sunderland came to do a job on us and think they just set up not to concede a goal. They had only conceded 2 goals away from home in the league. 3 now.
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Halliday was definitely man of the match today,
We need James Or Amos at left back
Smith and whiteman in the middle of the park
But our main issue is our striker, he isn’t good enough, about half a dozen times today smith or whiteman rolled it into his feet and he just let the centre half get there first.
Good balls get played into the box and he’s 3 or 4 yards away.
Lots of our problems are caused by him not holding onto the ball
Fair point that. I've been thinking watching him that he doesn't seem to be on everyone else's wavelength. Always looks as if he's reacting too late.
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Our striker is too slow, his first touch isn't good enough. Most of our attacks today were directed to / through him and he just couldn't deal with it.
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The less said about that the better.
Equaliser really papered over the cracks there. We had no urgency, no tempo, didn't really create a proper chance all game, and failed to change anything when we were playing into Sunderland's hands.
Credit to Halliday for actually showing some urgency and willingness to make something happen, because he was just about the only one.
I haven't seen every game this season, but other than Bristol Rovers I'm struggling to think of one I've seen where we've actually been any good (albeit I did miss Ipswich)
Finding us really frustrating to watch atm and hope we can improve, as I think we've got a good enough squad to do well this year.
We arseholed Charlton. We played Ipswich off the pitch. We comfortably matched Portsmouth. We comfortably matched Lincoln. We outplayed Wimbledon and got hit with a late sucker punch.
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The less said about that the better.
Equaliser really papered over the cracks there. We had no urgency, no tempo, didn't really create a proper chance all game, and failed to change anything when we were playing into Sunderland's hands.
Credit to Halliday for actually showing some urgency and willingness to make something happen, because he was just about the only one.
I haven't seen every game this season, but other than Bristol Rovers I'm struggling to think of one I've seen where we've actually been any good (albeit I did miss Ipswich)
Finding us really frustrating to watch atm and hope we can improve, as I think we've got a good enough squad to do well this year.
We arseholed Charlton. We played Ipswich off the pitch. We comfortably matched Portsmouth. We comfortably matched Lincoln. We outplayed Wimbledon and got hit with a late sucker punch.
Good point. Maybe I should've included in my post that I've not seen every game this season.
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The less said about that the better.
Equaliser really papered over the cracks there. We had no urgency, no tempo, didn't really create a proper chance all game, and failed to change anything when we were playing into Sunderland's hands.
Credit to Halliday for actually showing some urgency and willingness to make something happen, because he was just about the only one.
I haven't seen every game this season, but other than Bristol Rovers I'm struggling to think of one I've seen where we've actually been any good (albeit I did miss Ipswich)
Finding us really frustrating to watch atm and hope we can improve, as I think we've got a good enough squad to do well this year.
We arseholed Charlton. We played Ipswich off the pitch. We comfortably matched Portsmouth. We comfortably matched Lincoln. We outplayed Wimbledon and got hit with a late sucker punch.
I think you'll find it was Wimbledon that got a late sucker punch.
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None of what’s has been said means nothing YES we were shit in mammoth amounts YES they were better than us, as we had nothing from midfield upwards we, BUT we dug in and got a goal and a point, a lucky point at that but we got a point when we deserved nothing. So let’s accept what we have got as it could have been much worse
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Sunderland fans are not too happy: https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/doncaster-v-sunderland-match-thread.1534136/
Very strong remarks regarding manager, Parkinson.
Nearly 1,900 posts regarding the match!
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.....Unfair on the word 'shite'.
You are not being fair on Sunderland as they have a settled squad of quality players . Not forgetting they only scored from a wonder goal , yes we barely got at them but it was Sunderland that stopped us from getting at them until the 90th minute. Sunderland will go home frustrated not Daren Moore who though not entirely happy will be happy with a point based the few chances we created .
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.....Unfair on the word 'shite'.
You are not being fair on Sunderland as they have a settled squad of quality players . Not forgetting they only scored from a wonder goal , yes we barely got at them but it was Sunderland that stopped us from getting at them until the 90th minute. Sunderland will go home frustrated not Daren Moore who though not entirely happy will be happy with a point based the few chances we created .
Not sure that it was entirely that Sunderland stopped us playing. I think the fact that we couldn't string 2 passes together and at times poor ball control contributed more than them stopping us playing.
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Sunderland fans are not too happy: https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/doncaster-v-sunderland-match-thread.1534136/
Very strong remarks regarding manager, Parkinson.
Nearly 1,900 posts regarding the match!
A certain poster on Lucky Pint today, insisting all the time what a great team Sunderland are, should take a look at some of those remarks from their fans.
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.....Unfair on the word 'shite'.
You are not being fair on Sunderland as they have a settled squad of quality players . Not forgetting they only scored from a wonder goal , yes we barely got at them but it was Sunderland that stopped us from getting at them until the 90th minute. Sunderland will go home frustrated not Daren Moore who though not entirely happy will be happy with a point based the few chances we created .
We stopped Sunderland from getting at us with our persistent sideways and backwards passing, and we stopped ourselves from getting at them with persistent sidewards and backwards passing also.
It seemed Sunderland, being one-nil up, were content with that situation until our out of the blue equaliser at the end.
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.....Unfair on the word 'shite'.
You are not being fair on Sunderland as they have a settled squad of quality players . Not forgetting they only scored from a wonder goal , yes we barely got at them but it was Sunderland that stopped us from getting at them until the 90th minute. Sunderland will go home frustrated not Daren Moore who though not entirely happy will be happy with a point based the few chances we created .
Not sure that it was entirely that Sunderland stopped us playing. I think the fact that we couldn't string 2 passes together and at times poor ball control contributed more than them stopping us playing.
We played the way Sunderland pressed us . Our main problem was we didn’t go long ball enough to stretch the play and turn their defenders around when were penned back .
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Just a thought,IF Leadbitter had missed with that worldy,we would have snatched all 3 points!
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The less said about that the better.
Equaliser really papered over the cracks there. We had no urgency, no tempo, didn't really create a proper chance all game, and failed to change anything when we were playing into Sunderland's hands.
Credit to Halliday for actually showing some urgency and willingness to make something happen, because he was just about the only one.
I haven't seen every game this season, but other than Bristol Rovers I'm struggling to think of one I've seen where we've actually been any good (albeit I did miss Ipswich)
Finding us really frustrating to watch atm and hope we can improve, as I think we've got a good enough squad to do well this year.
We arseholed Charlton. We played Ipswich off the pitch. We comfortably matched Portsmouth. We comfortably matched Lincoln. We outplayed Wimbledon and got hit with a late sucker punch.
I think you'll find it was Wimbledon that got a late sucker punch.
Yep. Of course. I forgot we came back and equalised.
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Just a thought,IF Leadbitter had missed with that worldy,we would have snatched all 3 points!
.....Unfair on the word 'shite'.
You are not being fair on Sunderland as they have a settled squad of quality players . Not forgetting they only scored from a wonder goal , yes we barely got at them but it was Sunderland that stopped us from getting at them until the 90th minute. Sunderland will go home frustrated not Daren Moore who though not entirely happy will be happy with a point based the few chances we created .
Not sure that it was entirely that Sunderland stopped us playing. I think the fact that we couldn't string 2 passes together and at times poor ball control contributed more than them stopping us playing.
We played the way Sunderland pressed us . Our main problem was we didn’t go long ball enough to stretch the play and turn their defenders around when were penned back .
Fully agree that we played in such a naive manner, they had us pinned in and we did not attempt to change the play to escape the press, their defence had no problems dealing with our very pedestrian striker and just squeezed him out of the game. i expect players of the caliber of Whiteman to see this and adjust their plan accordingly, obviously made harder for him by playing a player alongside who should of never been there but played in his proper left back role.Why we insist on playing every move out from the back after every defender and the keeper have had five touches is insane, it slows down our play, does not draw the opposition onto us and negates the pace we have in our ranks.
Evert team from now to the end of the season will play a press and stop us from creating anything of substance, and the performances will correspondingly get worse.
We need to change it up and have an effective plan B when teams negate our flow. The players should take responsibility on the pitch and DM should adjust his plans accordingly.
This will only get worse,
Big shout out to Halliday who ran himself into the ground again trying to make something from the mess. The new keeper looked confident and proactive mostly and should fit in well.
DM has got to stop trying to shoehorn favorites into the side at the expence of the team, we need to play the best players in their best positions, period.
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Can we keep rolling over the week emergency loan for the keeper until the January window?
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Can we keep rolling over the week emergency loan for the keeper until the January window?
Yes, that's what we have to do.
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Can we keep rolling over the week emergency loan for the keeper until the January window?
yes unless Jones plays again I believe
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Just a thought,IF Leadbitter had missed with that worldy,we would have snatched all 3 points!
I doubt it Drover. Sunderland sat back in the second half on their one goal lead, and a lot of fans on their forum are slating them for it.
If it was level at half time, I think they'd have gone for it in the second half.
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Just a thought,IF Leadbitter had missed with that worldy,we would have snatched all 3 points!
I doubt it Drover. Sunderland sat back in the second half on their one goal lead, and a lot of fans on their forum are slating them for it.
If it was level at half time, I think they'd have gone for it in the second half.
Yeah Steve,more than likely,I said it more in jest than in true belief.
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I don’t think Sunderland sat back in the second half. We came into it more.
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2 teams playing believe it or not.
Sunderland were very good without the ball.
Yes we were a bit rusty after lay off.
Some of the comments on here from so called supporters are embarrassing.
Camps, I’m not sure which posts you think are embarrassing.
Plenty of us “so called supporters” think we were poor and definitely second best today.
That doesn’t mean we don’t care or that we are actually so called supporters.
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2 teams playing believe it or not.
Sunderland were very good without the ball.
Yes we were a bit rusty after lay off.
Some of the comments on here from so called supporters are embarrassing.
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Camps, I%u2019m not sure which posts you think are embarrassing.
Plenty of us %u201Cso called supporters%u201D think we were poor and definitely second best today.
That doesn%u2019t mean we don%u2019t care or that we are actually so called supporters.
hound please read my post correctly. I said SOME of the posts were embarrassing.
Some of the criticism of the team today was entirely justified. We did not play well. I said that myself.
You know which posts i was referring to hound which i thought were embarrassing.
I sometimes think you are deliberately trying to be mischievous. You know i bite easy and you are casting the bait. :boxing: :)
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My reply hound is attached to above thread. :zzz:
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2 teams playing believe it or not.
Sunderland were very good without the ball.
Yes we were a bit rusty after lay off.
Some of the comments on here from so called supporters are embarrassing.
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Camps, I%u2019m not sure which posts you think are embarrassing.
Plenty of us %u201Cso called supporters%u201D think we were poor and definitely second best today.
That doesn%u2019t mean we don%u2019t care or that we are actually so called supporters.
hound please read my post correctly. I said SOME of the posts were embarrassing.
Some of the criticism of the team today was entirely justified. We did not play well. I said that myself.
You know which posts i was referring to hound which i thought were embarrassing.
I sometimes think you are deliberately trying to be mischievous. You know i bite easy and you are casting the bait. :boxing: :)
Camps, I am not phishing at all mate.
And I did acknowledge that you said SOME posts were embarrassing.
You do though have a go at other posters who disagree with you so it has to be accepted that others can have opinions too.
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I laughed when we scored we were that bad. Completely opposite went mental v Wimbledon.
Kind of serves Sunderland right a bit as they never remotely tried for a second goal.
I predicted by Text after 70 mins to mate - " draw" with a freaky late goal. I then texted at 85 minutes - "this is now officially late" but in truth we didnt look like scoring
I was expecting Amazon with a parcel and "ding dong" went to bell and I looked at game clock at +2.33 and thought may as well get the parcel this ones over. At the door I could hear a commotion and thought sonds like we have scored - nah - no chance and returning to telly there it was 1-1.
So my prediction was true - a freak goal (great turn by Halliday btw) - a terrible instantly forgettable match - and whats more I missed the only chance I had to cheer lol
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Me too turned it off when game went into injury time couldn't see us getting into Sunderlands penalty box never mind scoring turn the TV on and there's Jeff say great turn that by hailday 1-1
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Thought that the build up play for your equaliser was excellent and some real quality from the lad on the right who then supplied an end product .
I always think a late equaliser is a point gained myself and you take it and move on .
Pretty much up for grabs is the top 6 and as I've said before its a case with a new young team that you hang in there this side of xmas and make your move in the second half of the season .
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Despite missing the equaliser I was ecstatic because all week I was going "lose" on PvO and waiting to see how injury ridden we were "just to make sure"
Then I saw the Team and thought aha - great chance of a win with that 11. So I was gutted most of the game when we were losing as I was thinking "stupid boy" why did I not stick with lose. Even though I didnt have draw either it was not an outcome I was going to choose so was happier than I had been all 2nd half
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I kid you not, I fully intended going 'draw' on PvO, but I put win by mistake! I realised immediately what I'd done but daren't change it because I thought it was a definite omen.
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I’ve gritted my teeth and watched the game today, with the emotion/nerves taken out of it. Yes, we were poor and I think it was a mixture of them making us poor and us shooting ourselves in the foot, quite regularly.
The defence and keeper all had decent games, but, let’s be fair, how good were Sunderland in their attacking third? Probably as bad as we were for long periods. Our problems persist after the back 4 and going forward - this is what we should be discussing as supporters, rather than whether Cameron John is a left back, or not! If there was one player who looked like he was playing out of position, yesterday, it was Reece James. If BW is hounded, like yesterday, someone has to pick up the mantle and it’s got to be Smith, imho.
Further forward still and we looked slow, in thought and deed, and too many times went past a player only to stop and pass it back, only to maybe lose it on the next pass. For goodness sake, will someone start to take responsibility! All 3 behind Fej were like carbon copies of each other with movement off the ball pretty limited and giving no option for the man with it.
My final comment is reserved for Fej - I have to say he doesn’t get a great deal of help from anyone, but come on lad, watch a few games when JM was doing that thankless task and learn that you have to work a bloody site harder than you did yesterday. Credit where it’s due, you stuck at it and got the equaliser, but your work rate and anticipation leaves a lot to be desired. You’re making it far too easy for the manager to put JJ straight back in.
Constructive criticism only and pleased to get that off my chest. On to the next one.
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Well said Alan. That balanced post is how critical analysis should be posted.
Factual opinion and worth ten knee jerk posts that offer no insight or suggestion on improvement.