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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: wing commander on January 02, 2020, 09:07:17 am
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So what are we hoping for this window?? I'm in two minds about it to be honest.I was very critical of the type of business we did in the summer..As things stands regardless of how we do for the rest of the season,we will be starting from scratch again in the summer when all our loan players head back to the parent clubs.Their were far to many for my liking and far to short term thinking by the manager and board..
So the question is what do we do this window?? January is never a great time to sign players on contracts.They tend to be more expensive and with players under contract the better players remain unavailable.Despite a great win Saturday,it's hard to convince many that this team is anywhere near good enough this time for the play offs..
Should we keep our powder and finance dry and wait for the summer when the talent pool is much bigger,and sign a couple more loans to replace Sterling and the likely departure of Alfie just to consolidate a average season and then hopefully recruit better in the summer..Or do we push the boat out and pay the money now on contracted players who will cost more for a very unlikely tilt at the play offs ???
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Strikers at least two of and a central midfielder would do me.
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This window is very important to us. The talk from the CEO and Board, despite the summer turmoil, was that we were aiming to be in and around the top 6. That is not anywhere near having thoughts of this being an average season.
We desperately need a striker - everyone knows that - and nothing has changed on that front. But we also need fresh legs and reinforcements. It is totally unfair to think that this current squad could see out the season. We will lose yet more players to injury, short and long term.
3 good, solid signings required, sooner rather than later and this league is there for the taking.......still.
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Dieng on permanent basis.
Sign a target man/goal scorer on a permanent basis.
1 x cm loan
1 x cf loan
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.Or do we push the boat out and pay the money now on contracted players who will cost more for a very unlikely tilt at the play offs ???
Unlikely? Win the games in hand and we are top 6. This is a very poor division this year. Possibly never a better chance to get to the championship for many a year....
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So what are we hoping for this window?? I'm in two minds about it to be honest.I was very critical of the type of business we did in the summer..As things stands regardless of how we do for the rest of the season,we will be starting from scratch again in the summer when all our loan players head back to the parent clubs.Their were far to many for my liking and far to short term thinking by the manager and board..
So the question is what do we do this window?? January is never a great time to sign players on contracts.They tend to be more expensive and with players under contract the better players remain unavailable.Despite a great win Saturday,it's hard to convince many that this team is anywhere near good enough this time for the play offs..
Should we keep our powder and finance dry and wait for the summer when the talent pool is much bigger,and sign a couple more loans to replace Sterling and the likely departure of Alfie just to consolidate a average season and then hopefully recruit better in the summer..Or do we push the boat out and pay the money now on contracted players who will cost more for a very unlikely tilt at the play offs ???
You've hit the nail on the head there Wing Commander (one of them anyway)
Say we bring in a couple more loans and don't get promoted like last season, we will be in exactly the same position as last summer, with a massive re-building job to be undertaken. Again, if we bring in loans like the ones being talked about, ie 18 year old kids who have never played the professional mans game at this level, will they hit the ground running or need a month or so to get going?
It's a difficult conundrum.
If we win a couple of games now we'll be in the mix again, but the squad is threadbare and a couple of injuries or suspensions and a bad run is just around the corner again - and we've seen recently, it's very difficult to get out of a bad run.
On reflection, I think we need to start re-building now. A striker definitely, maybe two and a good centre midfield player. Do we have that sort of money? Do we pay enough salary wise to attract good strikers? I'm not convinced we do and maybe why the two strikers with 'better scoring records than Marquis' didn't appear in the summer
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.Or do we push the boat out and pay the money now on contracted players who will cost more for a very unlikely tilt at the play offs ???
Unlikely? Win the games in hand and we are top 6. This is a very poor division this year. Possibly never a better chance to get to the championship for many a year....
It is a poor division this year Adam.
But say we were to get promoted this year. This team would get slaughtered every week in the Championship. The majority of the loans would go back and as a Championship club we'd have to pay bigger salaries, and in general bigger transfer fees. Fulham paid £27m for Mitrovic and that's not going to happen. Yes, we'd get more tv money, but our running costs would probably be three times as much
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Always makes me smile when people say it’s a poor division this year.
I don’t think it is.
The sides that reached the playoffs last season are now all midtable.
Sides like oxford are as good as anything last season.
Blackpool, fleetwood, Shrewsbury, Bristol, Wycombe have all improved greatly on last season.
Nobody last season had a budget like Ipswich.
I think the league is stronger this season and think we should always be striving to get promoted, if not, then whats the point
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I agree with Dickos..
It isn’t a poor league, it tender of the 3rd level of clubs all here on merit..
The table might be tighter and some teams having fluctuating form, but a poor league.? Not in my book.
As for the window I would love it if we can sign a couple of decent permanent players but that is difficult in January.
There is always a difference between what the club wants to do, and what it can.
As a minimum a loanee to replace Sterling, being a striker if we don’t buy one permanently.
Let’s see what happens. It does look like the club is being proactive however.
Dieng will be an extended loan. Yes I agree we should sign him but I doubt that will happen..
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Striker to replace and improve on May.
Loan striker to replace Sterling.
Dieng on a permanent.
Possibly some defensive cover as I'm really not convinced by Daniels.
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All the media reports are that Diengs loan will be extended..
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I really think we should be pushing the boat out and signing dieng on a contract.
If he’s out of contract soon then he will be having people trying to sign him.
Probably offering more than we can.
We should be doing all we can to tie him down for 3/4 years
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So what are we hoping for this window?? I'm in two minds about it to be honest.I was very critical of the type of business we did in the summer..As things stands regardless of how we do for the rest of the season,we will be starting from scratch again in the summer when all our loan players head back to the parent clubs.Their were far to many for my liking and far to short term thinking by the manager and board..
So the question is what do we do this window?? January is never a great time to sign players on contracts.They tend to be more expensive and with players under contract the better players remain unavailable.Despite a great win Saturday,it's hard to convince many that this team is anywhere near good enough this time for the play offs..
Should we keep our powder and finance dry and wait for the summer when the talent pool is much bigger,and sign a couple more loans to replace Sterling and the likely departure of Alfie just to consolidate a average season and then hopefully recruit better in the summer..Or do we push the boat out and pay the money now on contracted players who will cost more for a very unlikely tilt at the play offs ???
As I’ve said in another thread we are 4pts off last year on the same games. So was last season an average season. We do need to kick on, we didn’t sign strikers in the summer we need to sign some now. Wages could be more expensive but they were expensive enough last summer as we couldn’t get strikers in. I see no difference when it comes to strikers we have to compete with clubs and probably have less competition in this window.
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.Or do we push the boat out and pay the money now on contracted players who will cost more for a very unlikely tilt at the play offs ???
Unlikely? Win the games in hand and we are top 6. This is a very poor division this year. Possibly never a better chance to get to the championship for many a year....
It is a poor division this year Adam.
But say we were to get promoted this year. This team would get slaughtered every week in the Championship. The majority of the loans would go back and as a Championship club we'd have to pay bigger salaries, and in general bigger transfer fees. Fulham paid £27m for Mitrovic and that's not going to happen. Yes, we'd get more tv money, but our running costs would probably be three times as much
I'm not saying by any means take this team into next season, but if the chance is there to maybe go up, take it, then try and build a competitive team in the summer...
Wymcombe have just lost 4 on the spin, ipswich were dropping like a stone. Posh have lost 3 from 4. Sunderland are nowhere... points are being spread around.. as opposed to 2 or 3 running away with it... this is as good a chance as ever to get a promotion. The next few weeks are crucial....
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Always makes me smile when people say it’s a poor division this year.
I don’t think it is.
The sides that reached the playoffs last season are now all midtable.
Sides like oxford are as good as anything last season.
Blackpool, fleetwood, Shrewsbury, Bristol, Wycombe have all improved greatly on last season.
Nobody last season had a budget like Ipswich.
I think the league is stronger this season and think we should always be striving to get promoted, if not, then whats the point
ok then, let's substitute the word poor for evenly balanced, no stan out teams, as we know the bottom teams can beAt the top teams. The principle is still the same tho, promotion is there for anyone who really wants it..
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I really think we should be pushing the boat out and signing dieng on a contract.
If he’s out of contract soon then he will be having people trying to sign him.
Probably offering more than we can.
We should be doing all we can to tie him down for 3/4 years
I'm sure that's something we'd all like to see but it's not as simple as that is it. QPR may not want to entertain any permanent move, so with his loan secured till the end of the season, it's probably one that can be revisited further down the line.
I think we have other priorities at the moment with whatever funds are available.
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I have to agree.. we may be in a good position to sign Dieng permanently on the summer..
Let’s be honest, whilst he is second best to Dieng at the moment, Lawlor isn’t that bad..
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IDM but Dieng is so much better. Commands his area better, equal on saves and superb with his feet.
Dieng is the best GK we've seen for a few years IMO.
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I don’t disagree, I’m just being realistic.. looks like he will be ours for the rest of the season so we can concentrate on buying others, if we can..
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I feel at times we do miss balance throughout the squad. We lost 2 left sided attack minded players in Rowe and Wilks and only brought in Gomes who doesnt offer as much going forward. IMO DM should be looking at least a Wilks type player and then of course the much spoke about No9.
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I would say, have faith in DM getting who HE wants and hopefully that'll correspond with what many on here feel we need.
Personally (and I've only done 3 games this season so am not amazingly qualified to comment) a striker is a defo, defence looks good - although a Downing type signing would be great, dieng on a proper contract means again two very good goalkeepers at this level - midfield looks ok - p'haps a tad more creativity but not too much in the way of additions - striker, dieng, one more defender and a creative CM of stock calibre if poss - 4 players - no more!
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A centre midfielder, and a striker with pace would do me.
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Herbie Kane and Malik Wilks would do wonders for this team
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We need a Wellens type midfielder to stop us being bullied, as we are lightweight in this area.
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I would say, have faith in DM getting who HE wants and hopefully that'll correspond with what many on here feel we need.
Personally (and I've only done 3 games this season so am not amazingly qualified to comment) a striker is a defo, defence looks good - although a Downing type signing would be great, dieng on a proper contract means again two very good goalkeepers at this level - midfield looks ok - p'haps a tad more creativity but not too much in the way of additions - striker, dieng, one more defender and a creative CM of stock calibre if poss - 4 players - no more!
Signing a defender would be a waste of resources. Assuming John’s injury isn’t long term we have 3 really good players to choose from for 2 spots - better quality than for any other position in the squad. Even if Daniels goes back we have cover in Blayney, for me we need to prioritise one or two strikers, another wide/creative forward and a central midfielder.
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Sheaf can play cb too, this isn’t a priority really, unless Daniels goes back and we want more cover.
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The myth of summer striker signings. Since 2015 we have signed two recognised league 1 strikers in Andy Williams and John Marquis on permanent contracts. We have also taken untried non league strikers in Alfie May and Max Watters on permanent contracts.
In 2017 we signed Alex Kiwomya but really is was a wide forward with a 1 in 9 goal scoring record.
In 2018 we signed Tayls another wide forward who scoring record diminished with age.
So signing strikers is difficult for us in any window especially on permanent deals.
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I would say, have faith in DM getting who HE wants and hopefully that'll correspond with what many on here feel we need.
Personally (and I've only done 3 games this season so am not amazingly qualified to comment) a striker is a defo, defence looks good - although a Downing type signing would be great, dieng on a proper contract means again two very good goalkeepers at this level - midfield looks ok - p'haps a tad more creativity but not too much in the way of additions - striker, dieng, one more defender and a creative CM of stock calibre if poss - 4 players - no more!
Signing a defender would be a waste of resources. Assuming John’s injury isn’t long term we have 3 really good players to choose from for 2 spots - better quality than for any other position in the squad. Even if Daniels goes back we have cover in Blayney, for me we need to prioritise one or two strikers, another wide/creative forward and a central midfielder.
Sheaf can play cb too, this isn’t a priority really, unless Daniels goes back and we want more cover.
And theoretically for CB cover we have the forgotten man Alex Baptiste. I wonder if extending Daniels means that Baptiste is out for the season? Shame - John and Baptiste sounds like a divine pairing for CB ;)
By the way have we had official confirmation that Sterling won't be coming back?
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Latest from a Liam Hoden’s on Twitter:
From what I understand, it's unlikely Rovers will announce a new signing until early next week, ahead of the Shrewsbury game. That doesn't mean it won't be completed before then though
On this same topic/thread, someone has claimed that Kieran Sadlier is on his way to Dull. Is that why we’re rumoured to be interested in yet another loan for Semenyo at Bristol City?
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Latest from a Liam Hoden’s on Twitter:
From what I understand, it's unlikely Rovers will announce a new signing until early next week, ahead of the Shrewsbury game. That doesn't mean it won't be completed before then though
On this same topic/thread, someone has claimed that Kieran Sadlier is on his way to Dull. Is that why we’re rumoured to be interested in yet another loan for Semenyo at Bristol City?
I would n’t believe what that person says, he’s reknowned fot talking b*llocks
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Don’t shoot the messenger, Filo. I have absolutely no knowledge of anyone’s history on twitter. I just thought it was an interesting comment, when we’re supposed to be in talks with KS about extending his contract, which, as you know, has not been announced yet.
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Hull are supposedly after Wilks, which given their interest in him in the summer seems quite likely. They may be losing Bowen and Riszicky? (excuse spelling) so could be feasible that Sadlier may be a secondary target.
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Latest from a Liam Hoden’s on Twitter:
From what I understand, it's unlikely Rovers will announce a new signing until early next week, ahead of the Shrewsbury game. That doesn't mean it won't be completed before then though
On this same topic/thread, someone has claimed that Kieran Sadlier is on his way to Dull. Is that why we’re rumoured to be interested in yet another loan for Semenyo at Bristol City?
I would n’t believe what that person says, he’s reknowned fot talking b*llocks
But surely posters on this forum with an ear to an insider or has had a friendly word with GB will know if true or not.
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Latest from a Liam Hoden’s on Twitter:
From what I understand, it's unlikely Rovers will announce a new signing until early next week, ahead of the Shrewsbury game. That doesn't mean it won't be completed before then though
On this same topic/thread, someone has claimed that Kieran Sadlier is on his way to Dull. Is that why we’re rumoured to be interested in yet another loan for Semenyo at Bristol City?
I would n’t believe what that person says, he’s reknowned fot talking b*llocks
Good old Bryan Vaughn eh.. he does love stirring things up doesn’t he
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Herbie Kane and Malik Wilks would do wonders for this team
Just had a chat with my Dull supporting pal. Seems the rumour over there is that they’re preparing bids for both of these. Also, don’t be surprised if an offer is made for Whiteman. No rumours about Sadlier though.
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Not really difficult to suggest Hull might be interested in those players..
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No, not at all. It's the easiest link in the world to go "Hull want this Donny player" since McCann managed a lot of them last year, and in the case of players like Wilks, Kane and Sadlier, he brought them in here.
Silly season is upon us, as is the case with every window, so everything like that should be taken with a pinch of salt, if even that.
There's also a new "DRFC Transfer Rumours" Twitter account that is almost certainly just throwing stuff at a wall and hoping something sticks. But some fans rush to believe anything that is posted and that's what ends up giving such accounts traction, even though most are pure fiction.
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Not really hard to say Hull may be interested on those players just like it’s not hard to say we will not sign a striker on a permanent contract with a transfer fee as our history in the last 4 years proves that. Unless our assets are sold first.
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Our ‘asset’ was sold first and that’s why we haven’t got a striker!
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The one place we probably don’t need more options currently is the wing. Yet we are being linked with some. Adelakun of Bristol being the latest one. If we are looking at wingers then maybe Sads is going. I do hope not though.
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Alfie May has been used as a wide player hasn’t he.?
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The one place we probably don’t need more options currently is the wing. Yet we are being linked with some. Adelakun of Bristol being the latest one. If we are looking at wingers then maybe Sads is going. I do hope not though.
we only have sadlier and Taylor as senior wingers?
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I'm a bit concerned if media reports are correct that we are looking at a Quote,, young prolific premiership youth striker, can't help thinking we've been here before, prolific playing U18/ U23 totally different to league level, surely we need the experience now to kick on, Sterling didn't work and Ennis for all his hard work is not gonna get the goals we need to move up table
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The one place we probably don’t need more options currently is the wing. Yet we are being linked with some. Adelakun of Bristol being the latest one. If we are looking at wingers then maybe Sads is going. I do hope not though.
we only have sadlier and Taylor as senior wingers?
We’ve also got May(assuming he doesn’t go) and Watters and Copps(on the right with Gomes centrally earlier this season) and Blair to come back.
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I'm a bit concerned if media reports are correct that we are looking at a Quote,, young prolific premiership youth striker, can't help thinking we've been here before, prolific playing U18/ U23 totally different to league level, surely we need the experience now to kick on, Sterling didn't work and Ennis for all his hard work is not gonna get the goals we need to move up table
Once again, and this is getting boring now. Who is a prolific goal scorer at our level and is not currently under contract at another club?
We would have to fork out a vastly inflated transfer fee to tempt his club to part in January.
Question is, do you and others on here think we should go down that route?
Or the alternative is to wait until the summer when players are out of contract and we can get him for nothing.
Option no 2 i think is the best one is it not?
The Premier league U21/U23 route is the only realistic option that is open to us unless we bring in another Thomas or Bingham. I don’t think any of us want DM to take that chance again.
So a bit of realism is needed. Why is it some people still think we are going to get a top striker signed on a permanent transfer now is way beyond being optimistic. It’s quite frankly fantasy imo.
So let DM do the best he can this month and if we don’t make the play offs we’ll is it a disaster. No it isn’t.
Having said that I still think we have every chance. It’s wide open this season. No one is running away with the league now and i think the top 6 teams will change multiple times before this season is over.
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I think you're bang on Campsall. The vast majority of business that'll be done in January outside the Premier League will be loans. In fact you can see that already.
Upper tier clubs have an excess of young talent they need to get out. Clubs at our level are queing up to take them on as the alternative is paying inflated fees and wages for established players. Unless you're like Sunderland etc., who can take bigger risks. Will Grigg is a fine example of what could wipe us out if it didn't work out. Perhaps Blackpool are praying that they can turn the form of the injury prone player around but at what cost?
Of course there will be those like Leon Clarke who's clubs want shut but they'll be in no rush to move till the end of the window.
So do you wait for a bidding war or act now?
It's just reality. As Campsall says, the summer is really the time to sign out of contract players on permanents. There may be the odd exception but there' s no point getting into a tis about it.
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Grant ward would’ve been a good signing for us, he’s had a bad injury which doesn’t mean he’s injury prone.
The players that are out of contract in the summer we need to be offering contracts to now.
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How much would Ennis be worth in the transfer market currently?
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How much would Ennis be worth in the transfer market currently?
I doubt Wolves would have even assessed his worth as he's still a developing player. Probably in a similar position to Herbie where they'll want to review his progress after his loan. To be honest, it's hard even for us to assess his potential with the disrupted season he's had. For any youngster coming in it's hard to be consistent, especially as an attacker who will always be judged on goals.
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I’m sorry Campsall, but wasn’t Marquis under contract? Didn’t stop us from letting him go, but at the same time we didn’t see fit to replace him. None of us would be discussing this right now, IF we’d done what we should have done and got someone lined up before letting him go.
Players that are coming to the end of their contracts are there for the taking, if you make a realistic bid AND offer the right wages. It really is that simple. I know about as much as you as to who is or isn’t available, in January, but there are plenty of people better qualified, and have the resources, to come up with a list of potential, good quality, players.
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That and finding a player who’s family and or wife’s family are local..
Both the Marquis and Andrew departures were influenced by family reasons, which is understandable.
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I’m sorry Campsall, but wasn’t Marquis under contract? Didn’t stop us from letting him go, but at the same time we didn’t see fit to replace him. None of us would be discussing this right now, IF we’d done what we should have done and got someone lined up before letting him go.
Players that are coming to the end of their contracts are there for the taking, if you make a realistic bid AND offer the right wages. It really is that simple. I know about as much as you as to who is or isn’t available, in January, but there are plenty of people better qualified, and have the resources, to come up with a list of potential, good quality, players.
Interesting how some people take a situation and adapt it so that it becomes a criticism of the club and fits with their view about the way business should be done.
Let me add one bit of info for you, the Marquis deal was never, ever, that simple.
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I’m sorry Campsall, but wasn’t Marquis under contract? Didn’t stop us from letting him go, but at the same time we didn’t see fit to replace him. None of us would be discussing this right now, IF we’d done what we should have done and got someone lined up before letting him go.
Players that are coming to the end of their contracts are there for the taking, if you make a realistic bid AND offer the right wages. It really is that simple. I know about as much as you as to who is or isn’t available, in January, but there are plenty of people better qualified, and have the resources, to come up with a list of potential, good quality, players.
Interesting how some people take a situation and adapt it so that it becomes a criticism of the club and fits with their view about the way business should be done.
Let me add one bit of info for you, the Marquis deal was never, ever, that simple.
What happened then, to the two players who Moore had lined up, hours after Marquis left, who in his words, had better records than Marquis?
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I'm really not sure what people can't understand about transfers falling through for a multitude of reasons. It's as if some desperately want to believe the club is trying to be purposefully rubbish so just decided not to bother replacing Marquis.
Sometimes fees can't be met, or contract terms. Sometimes a player just changes his mind on joining for whatever reason.
Moore and Rovers tried to get signings in up front in the summer. It didn't work out, it happens. Teams as lofty as Barcelona, Arsenal, Everton and Spurs failed to secure key targets that they felt they needed in the summer, it isn't just little Donny Rovers.
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Martin, I’m not adapting anything. You’re coming at it from a completely different angle to me, in that you have ‘insider’ knowledge that me and thousands of other supporters are not privy to.
The Club must have known, for some time, that John was wanting away, so, in my view, you have ‘contingency plans’ in place. Once realistic bids were made then the contingency plans are initiated, and Pompey asked to wait until we got our replacement in.
Anyway, it matters not one jot, because whatever the circumstances, he was allowed to leave. And we’ve suffered for it ever since. It might be a ‘veiled’ criticism of the Club, but I think it’s a valid one. Surely, the Club can understand how people are feeling about it and they should be able to see the point of view.
Going half a season with no recognised striker at the Club is not good.
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I'm really not sure what people can't understand about transfers falling through for a multitude of reasons. It's as if some desperately want to believe the club is trying to be purposefully rubbish so just decided not to bother replacing Marquis.
Sometimes fees can't be met, or contract terms. Sometimes a player just changes his mind on joining for whatever reason.
Moore and Rovers tried to get signings in up front in the summer. It didn't work out, it happens. Teams as lofty as Barcelona, Arsenal, Everton and Spurs failed to secure key targets that they felt they needed in the summer, it isn't just little Donny Rovers.
I take that on board as I do SM's comment on the Marquis transfer which was inevitable,but whatever your opinion on what happened imbetween and who and why it happened..The reality is from the moment we missed that penalty in the play offs to the moment the transfer window shut.We managed to lose a lot of quality Doncaster Rovers players who were out of contract,a quality defender who was available on a free after his loan,our only striker who consistently scored goals and replaced them with youngsters with no experience,who have struggled both in fitness and experience, and a couple of short term strikers with poor records who nobody really wanted on short deals...
Leaving us with only a few contracted Doncaster players who are good enough, whose fault that is we can argue all day long but that's the bottom line as far as I'm concerned...
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Who’s to say those contingency plans weren’t enacted, but didn’t succeed for whatever reason.?
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Grant ward would’ve been a good signing for us, he’s had a bad injury which doesn’t mean he’s injury prone.
The players that are out of contract in the summer we need to be offering contracts to now.
Would we have been able to compete with Blackpool and Rotherham (who lost out)on a free transfer whether it’s now or summer there would have been competition for their signature. Less we forget we have only signed two league recognised strikers in the last four years. Marquis was when we were in league 2.
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Who’s to say those contingency plans weren’t enacted, but didn’t succeed for whatever reason.?
Who’s to say they were
You can only go on the evidence in front of you.
And wing commander explains it perfectly
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But all the evidence isn’t in front of you, or me..
Unless the club discloses all its discussions we will never know.. not signing enough players - in our opinion - doesn’t mean we didn’t try to.
Some fans conclude we mustn’t have tried, which I find annoying.
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I’m sorry Campsall, but wasn’t Marquis under contract? Didn’t stop us from letting him go, but at the same time we didn’t see fit to replace him. None of us would be discussing this right now, IF we’d done what we should have done and got someone lined up before letting him go.
Players that are coming to the end of their contracts are there for the taking, if you make a realistic bid AND offer the right wages. It really is that simple. I know about as much as you as to who is or isn’t available, in January, but there are plenty of people better qualified, and have the resources, to come up with a list of potential, good quality, players.
We didn’t sell him in January and blow are season apart Alan. He went in the close season and only because he wanted to go. We made him an approved offer to keep him didn’t we?
If it was that easy to get someone now don’t you think we would?
Please Alan let it drop it’s seriously boring, whether we were right or wrong in August not replacing JM is gone, History.
It’s so easy for us to criticise the Board and Club without all the facts in front of us.
Lets all move on and give DM our full backing on whoever he brings in over the next 4 weeks. Loan, permanent, week by week contract, whatever it is let’s get behind the team and let’s see where we are in the 1st week in May.
You might be surprised Alan.
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But all the evidence isn’t in front of you, or me..
Unless the club discloses all its discussions we will never know.. not signing enough players - in our opinion - doesn’t mean we didn’t try to.
Some fans conclude we mustn’t have tried, which I find annoying.
That's exactly right IDM.
And to correct WC I'm not apportioning blame, nor do I want to. What I am suggesting is that as simple as Alan wants this to appear it's never clear cut , nor in this case as simple as it seemed.
For me to disclose more I would need to betray a few confidences and I have no intention of doing that. What I can say is that, urged on by every supporter who posted in the summer about JM the club did try to keep him. They had no indication that he was going anywhere, no firm bids etc. They also had players lined up to replace him, but you can't keep them on hold forever, at some point those players need to get fixed up and sign contracts with somebody. It's a balancing act, and one that didn't work for us in the end.
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But all the evidence isn’t in front of you, or me..
Unless the club discloses all its discussions we will never know.. not signing enough players - in our opinion - doesn’t mean we didn’t try to.
Some fans conclude we mustn’t have tried, which I find annoying.
That's exactly right IDM.
And to correct WC I'm not apportioning blame, nor do I want to. What I am suggesting is that as simple as Alan wants this to appear it's never clear cut , nor in this case as simple as it seemed.
For me to disclose more I would need to betray a few confidences and I have no intention of doing that. What I can say is that, urged on by every supporter who posted in the summer about JM the club did try to keep him. They had no indication that he was going anywhere, no firm bids etc. They also had players lined up to replace him, but you can't keep them on hold forever, at some point those players need to get fixed up and sign contracts with somebody. It's a balancing act, and one that didn't work for us in the end.
So the players we had lined up with better records than Marquis were kept waiting too long?
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I don’t believe we don’t try IDM but it’s whether we can succeed. As Martin said it’s difficult when dealing with transfers but for supporters saying its easier in the summer well last summer shows it’s not. More competition in the summer especially for strikers.
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You misunderstood me SM,I wasn't accusing anybody of proportioning blame..It doesn't really matter now as far as I'm concerned..The whole window left us in a much worse position than where we started as a team,as the owner of our own talent etc etc...Nobody can argue that really..
I'm more interested in the future.I don't want to see loan after loan,making us work hard to improve other teams talent and let them reap the awards,then leaving us with nothing every close season...They have their place and we need loan players to be competitive,but the balance has gone way to far the wrong way..I'm hoping this window starts to address that with signing our own talent,and if not doing it in the summer...
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Steve, it would help if we have a summer without a managerial change, where the outgoing manager has let players go, or not wanted to offer them what they wanted, yet hadn’t signed replacements..
You hit the nail on the head saying “it’s difficult” yet (some) fans want to know what’s going for on yesterday..
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Swindon are top of league 2 and have scored 45 goals but both of their strikers are on loan. They are paying only a quarter of Doyle's wages between £1,500 and £2,000 a week.
I think that they are more than happy with the loan market.
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But all the evidence isn’t in front of you, or me..
Unless the club discloses all its discussions we will never know.. not signing enough players - in our opinion - doesn’t mean we didn’t try to.
Some fans conclude we mustn’t have tried, which I find annoying.
That's exactly right IDM.
And to correct WC I'm not apportioning blame, nor do I want to. What I am suggesting is that as simple as Alan wants this to appear it's never clear cut , nor in this case as simple as it seemed.
For me to disclose more I would need to betray a few confidences and I have no intention of doing that. What I can say is that, urged on by every supporter who posted in the summer about JM the club did try to keep him. They had no indication that he was going anywhere, no firm bids etc. They also had players lined up to replace him, but you can't keep them on hold forever, at some point those players need to get fixed up and sign contracts with somebody. It's a balancing act, and one that didn't work for us in the end.
So the players we had lined up with better records than Marquis were kept waiting too long?
I wouldn't take that as literal as that. It's also feasible DM didn't want said players and thought he could get the players he wanted. It's always a gamble.
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But all the evidence isn’t in front of you, or me..
Unless the club discloses all its discussions we will never know.. not signing enough players - in our opinion - doesn’t mean we didn’t try to.
Some fans conclude we mustn’t have tried, which I find annoying.
That's exactly right IDM.
And to correct WC I'm not apportioning blame, nor do I want to. What I am suggesting is that as simple as Alan wants this to appear it's never clear cut , nor in this case as simple as it seemed.
For me to disclose more I would need to betray a few confidences and I have no intention of doing that. What I can say is that, urged on by every supporter who posted in the summer about JM the club did try to keep him. They had no indication that he was going anywhere, no firm bids etc. They also had players lined up to replace him, but you can't keep them on hold forever, at some point those players need to get fixed up and sign contracts with somebody. It's a balancing act, and one that didn't work for us in the end.
So the players we had lined up with better records than Marquis were kept waiting too long?
I wouldn't take that as literal as that. It's also feasible DM didn't want said players and thought he could get the players he wanted. It's always a gamble.
It was Moore that said we had the players lined up, and that they had better records.
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But all the evidence isn’t in front of you, or me..
Unless the club discloses all its discussions we will never know.. not signing enough players - in our opinion - doesn’t mean we didn’t try to.
Some fans conclude we mustn’t have tried, which I find annoying.
That's exactly right IDM.
And to correct WC I'm not apportioning blame, nor do I want to. What I am suggesting is that as simple as Alan wants this to appear it's never clear cut , nor in this case as simple as it seemed.
For me to disclose more I would need to betray a few confidences and I have no intention of doing that. What I can say is that, urged on by every supporter who posted in the summer about JM the club did try to keep him. They had no indication that he was going anywhere, no firm bids etc. They also had players lined up to replace him, but you can't keep them on hold forever, at some point those players need to get fixed up and sign contracts with somebody. It's a balancing act, and one that didn't work for us in the end.
So the players we had lined up with better records than Marquis were kept waiting too long?
I wouldn't take that as literal as that. It's also feasible DM didn't want said players and thought he could get the players he wanted. It's always a gamble.
It was Moore that said we had the players lined up, and that they had better records.
Which could mean they were different players to the ones that were already lined up. Middleton for example was rumoured to be lined up before DM arrived.
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The ones being mentioned were offers out in after Moore was appointed and after marquis left
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I'm still not understanding people's disdain for the loan system either. For years and years it has operated to the benefit of clubs up and down the EFL. Talents the likes of Herbie Kane and Cameron John would not be playing for us at any stage without it, we would have more limited players being paid a full wage by Rovers instead if there were no loans. In my time supporting the club loanees such as Chris Brown, Billy Sharp, Herbie Kane and Mallik Wilks have all had a big impact on successful seasons, what's the problem? Idler's Swindon example is a good one too, I'm not sure anyone there is moaning that they're developing other team's players when Doyle and Yates have fired them into promotion contention.
Obviously we don't want a team full of loan players but circumstances have forced us to go down a more loan-heavy route this season. It is what it is, and we have to believe Gavin Baldwin's commitment to redressing that balance in the squad over the coming transfer windows providing we have a settled infrastructure in place after several years of upheaval.
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I think some seem to missing the point that we already have our quota of loan players for a match day squad.
So signing more loan players is pointless
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Not all are fit at the same time though.
I would rather we didn’t have so many but it is what it is. If a loanee to replace Sterling strengthens our (weak) squad, that’s ok isn’t it.?
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Signing a striker is not easy yet now we haven’t got to wait for a striker to go. In the summer we appear to have lost out on strikers waiting for JM to leave. We didn’t bite the bullet to sign another striker while JM was still here. Now it’s about sorting out terms and a fee if necessary to get the striker we need. We might have competition for said striker but he would be guaranteed a starting place by coming here. So if we can be competitive with terms there should be no problem.
We could bring in more loans but we have 5 already bringing in more does not strengthen the match day squad. So choices have to be made sign Dieng permanently or let Daniels go back if we want bring more loans.
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Dieng has just re signed on loan.
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Dieng has just re signed on loan.
Well that options gone.
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Not all are fit at the same time though.
I would rather we didn’t have so many but it is what it is. If a loanee to replace Sterling strengthens our (weak) squad, that’s ok isn’t it.?
Replacing Stirling with another is fine but after that we need some experienced signings coming in
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I don’t disagree..
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Where we're at with loans at the mo.
Dieng. Nailed on starter.
Sheaf. Probable starter, certainly in match day squad.
Ennis. Nailed on starter at the mo.
John. Deffo in match day squad as Wright and Anderson have the shirt.
Daniels. Cover only, expendable.
So there is some wriggle room to maybe bring in two further loans if they will improve on the above given we can only have 5 in the matchday squad.
Obviously the concern is the balance of the squad going forward and not being left with a threadbare squad once the loans end.
Matty Blair will be like a new signing once he's back too.
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I worry a bit about Blair
He’s similar to Crawford and may who Moore got rid of
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In what way similar.?
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Lightweight players who aren’t really first team regulars.
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I worry a bit about Blair
He’s similar to Crawford and may who Moore got rid of
I believe a fit Blair offers more versatility than either Crawford or May.
Although his goal scoring record is no better than both really.
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Blair can play in several positions and I would expect most if not all of us would happily have him on the bench, if not starting..
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I worry a bit about Blair
He’s similar to Crawford and may who Moore got rid of
I believe a fit Blair offers more versatility than either Crawford or May.
Although his goal scoring record is no better than both really.
I'd agree with Blair's versatility - there's the defensive element to his game Crawford/May didn't necessarily possess.
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In my opinion I’d have kept all three I’m just worrying because he doesn’t seem the type of player Moore likes, that’s all
Only time will tell
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You know what dickos could walk into a church choir practice and turn it into a mass brawl in 5 mins flat.
Unbelievable Jeff.
I have never seen one person start so many pointless argumentative posts in my 4 years on this forum.
Going round in circles but having to have the final say. Never ever admitting he is wrong.
What’s it all about Alfie ( as the song goes ) :zzz:
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I must be built of the same mould as you then.
Is 9 points from 10 games relegation form or not?
Less than a point a game
I get involved in arguments because there’s 3 people who jump on everything I post, I don’t argue with anyone else just the same 3 people who also don’t like admitting they’re wrong
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Yes I am keeping well away.
Someone tell me next time i stray please.
New Years resolution.
Come on folks we are ALL ROVERS. PEACE AND GOODWILL TO ALL MEN.
We have some great times ahead watching our beloved team. ENJOY.
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😂😂😂
just proven my point
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Yes I am keeping well away.
Someone tell me next time i stray please.
New Years resolution.
Come on folks we are ALL ROVERS. PEACE AND GOODWILL TO ALL MEN.
We have some great times ahead watching our beloved team. ENJOY.
Do you really need to announce every time you decide you aren’t going to respond to a poster?
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I must be built of the same mould as you then.
Is 9 points from 10 games relegation form or not?
Less than a point a game
I get involved in arguments because there’s 3 people who jump on everything I post, I don’t argue with anyone else just the same 3 people who also don’t like admitting they’re wrong
Some of us argue your posts, because your posts warrant arguing. It’s nothing personal at all.
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I must be built of the same mould as you then.
Is 9 points from 10 games relegation form or not?
Less than a point a game
I get involved in arguments because there’s 3 people who jump on everything I post, I don’t argue with anyone else just the same 3 people who also don’t like admitting they’re wrong
Some of us argue your posts, because your posts warrant arguing. It’s nothing personal at all.
I didn’t suggest that it was
But your man said I’m always arguing with people on here and my point was I’m only arguing with the same 3 people
And it takes two to tango
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Yes I am keeping well away.
Someone tell me next time i stray please.
New Years resolution.
Come on folks we are ALL ROVERS. PEACE AND GOODWILL TO ALL MEN.
We have some great times ahead watching our beloved team. ENJOY.
Do you really need to announce every time you decide you aren’t going to respond to a poster?
Is that a problem Nick?
I announce it as it focus’s my mind to try and do it. ( keeping away )
But like an idiot i keep getting drawn. It’s like there is a magnet pulling me.
Apologies.
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I must be built of the same mould as you then.
Is 9 points from 10 games relegation form or not?
Less than a point a game
I get involved in arguments because there’s 3 people who jump on everything I post, I don’t argue with anyone else just the same 3 people who also don’t like admitting they’re wrong
Some of us argue your posts, because your posts warrant arguing. It’s nothing personal at all.
I didn’t suggest that it was
But your man said I’m always arguing with people on here and my point was I’m only arguing with the same 3 people
And it takes two to tango
You've just said three.
What is it with you and numbers?
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Usually the arguments are one on one cocker although I do realise you do sometimes feel left out and like to join in
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Usually the arguments are one on one cocker although I do realise you do sometimes feel left out and like to join in
It was a joke. Take a breath every now and then.
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I must be built of the same mould as you then.
Is 9 points from 10 games relegation form or not?
Less than a point a game
I get involved in arguments because there’s 3 people who jump on everything I post, I don’t argue with anyone else just the same 3 people who also don’t like admitting they’re wrong
Some of us argue your posts, because your posts warrant arguing. It’s nothing personal at all.
I didn’t suggest that it was
But your man said I’m always arguing with people on here and my point was I’m only arguing with the same 3 people
And it takes two to tango
I respond when there is something I believe warrants a response.. I don’t go looking for your posts and will comment against others where necessary for example someone on the Alfie May thread claimed it was a wage cutting thing.
Plus I agreed with you on the nature vs nurture thing earlier..
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But the thing is even if in 12 months we’ve not signed a replacement for marquis or may or Crawford or Rowe or butler etc etc and we’ve still got a squad full of loan signings people will still say we’re not cost cutting and accusing people who bemoan this of wanting to cripple the club
The goalposts always move
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This is a forum for Rovers fans to discuss DRFC and Football in general and at times when i read back on some of the posts it is like reading a kids pantomime.
Yes i am guilty at getting involved so am certainly not exonerating myself.
Can we all just discuss rationally and not try to point score against each other.
Is it not possible for us to do that.
Don’t know the figures but bet 75% of the Forum members are over 55 yrs old. 95% over 40 yrs old
Unbelievable again Jeff.
Come on it’s a new year let’s ALL make an effort.
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Well said !! 👍
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To be fair I believe Dickos does discuss rationally & with good debate, for what it's worth 9 points from 10 games is relegation from in my opinion.
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Yay. I’m not in 95%. Was feeling a bit old earlier with having a cold and still full of Xmas snap. Now I feel young and free. Thanks guys. 😂
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Yay. I’m not in 95%. Was feeling a bit old earlier with having a cold and still full of Xmas snap. Now I feel young and free. Thanks guys. 😂
I don’t know what the demographics are on this forum. Those figure are a total guess.
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To be fair I believe Dickos does discuss rationally & with good debate, for what it's worth 9 points from 10 games is relegation from in my opinion.
Cheers les
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Yay. I’m not in 95%. Was feeling a bit old earlier with having a cold and still full of Xmas snap. Now I feel young and free. Thanks guys. 😂
I don’t know what the demographics are on this forum. Those figure are a total guess.
Mate it made me feel young. I’m taking it as gospel. To hell with the facts.
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To be fair I believe Dickos does discuss rationally & with good debate, for what it's worth 9 points from 10 games is relegation from in my opinion.
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