Ukraine

[drfchound]

Of course I'm not itching for war you utter bell end. But a war has been started by a fascist dictator. One that you admire and never criticise.

And history tells you what happens if you don't smack down fascist warmongers.

I'll comfort myself with that when we're sat huddling around a candle to keep warm because the price of gas as gone through the roof, all due to getting involved in other people's business which doesn't concern us. It probably won't really worry a champagne socialist like yourself will it?

Slightly off topic, but how can someone get away with calling another poster a bellend.
Surely that is against forum protocol.

And so is trolling, but folk get away with it

Accusations on here of trolling are subjective and largely false.

Calling someone an ‘utter bell end’ is nothing short of pathetic. The great one blocks people for less.

Hats off to Axholme for not being dragged down to such levels of immaturity and ignorance, despite the provocation.

The thing here Belton is that because Filos leader is the most prolific poster on the forum, then it is reasonable to expect that he will get the most responses, particularly given that many of his posts are designed to provoke a reaction.
However, invariably, whenever anyone writes something that isn’t in agreement then Filo piles in, probably to gain some brownie points,  and accuses others of being a troll.
Of course when bst constantly jumps onto posts by another posters, like BrantonRed for example, then good old Filo never says a word.
I have agreed with bst on some things and I have clicked the like button on his posts too but for some reason that isn’t trolling, apparently.

[belton rover]

Of course I'm not itching for war you utter bell end. But a war has been started by a fascist dictator. One that you admire and never criticise.

And history tells you what happens if you don't smack down fascist warmongers.

I'll comfort myself with that when we're sat huddling around a candle to keep warm because the price of gas as gone through the roof, all due to getting involved in other people's business which doesn't concern us. It probably won't really worry a champagne socialist like yourself will it?

Slightly off topic, but how can someone get away with calling another poster a bellend.
Surely that is against forum protocol.

And so is trolling, but folk get away with it

Accusations on here of trolling are subjective and largely false.

Calling someone an ‘utter bell end’ is nothing short of pathetic. The great one blocks people for less.

Hats off to Axholme for not being dragged down to such levels of immaturity and ignorance, despite the provocation.

The thing here Belton is that because Filos leader is the most prolific poster on the forum, then it is reasonable to expect that he will get the most responses, particularly given that many of his posts are designed to provoke a reaction.
However, invariably, whenever anyone writes something that isn’t in agreement then Filo piles in, probably to gain some brownie points,  and accuses others of being a troll.
Of course when bst constantly jumps onto posts by another posters, like BrantonRed for example, then good old Filo never says a word.
I have agreed with bst on some things and I have clicked the like button on his posts too but for some reason that isn’t trolling, apparently.

I completely agree

[Filo]

Well as they say, “ if the cap fits”

I never mentioned a name, but two found the need to comment, I was just pointing out that trolling is against forum protocol, nothing more, nothing less, if you are going to call out protocol, you need to call out all of them, just for balance, cos I know you like the quote “Just for balance”

[drfchound]

Well as they say, “ if the cap fits”

I never mentioned a name, but two found the need to comment, I was just pointing out that trolling is against forum protocol, nothing more, nothing less, if you are going to call out protocol, you need to call out all of them, just for balance, cos I know you like the quote “Just for balance”

You didn’t have to mention a name did you.
It is beyond reasonable doubt who you were referring to this time and all the other times that you have piled in when accusing me and others of trolling.
You are probably the poster who actually does that to me.

[Branton Red]

Back on topic Putin no doubt things he can afford to ride out economic sanctions due to support from his ally China which over the last 25 years has grown to be an economic superpower.

Mass purchase of Chinese manufactured goods by people in the West has indirectly funded this upcoming war and resulting bloodshed.

It's sadly not always possible but I always try to ensure as much as possible of what I buy is manufactured in democracies.

[belton rover]

Well as they say, “ if the cap fits”

I never mentioned a name, but two found the need to comment, I was just pointing out that trolling is against forum protocol, nothing more, nothing less, if you are going to call out protocol, you need to call out all of them, just for balance, cos I know you like the quote “Just for balance”

Two found the need to comment?
What do you expect to happen on a forum?
If I’d commented that you were an ‘utter bell end’, then you might have a point, but you seem to be okay with that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course I'm not itching for war you utter bell end. But a war has been started by a fascist dictator. One that you admire and never criticise.

And history tells you what happens if you don't smack down fascist warmongers.

I'll comfort myself with that when we're sat huddling around a candle to keep warm because the price of gas as gone through the roof, all due to getting involved in other people's business which doesn't concern us. It probably won't really worry a champagne socialist like yourself will it?

Slightly off topic, but how can someone get away with calling another poster a bellend.
Surely that is against forum protocol.

Because it's 'his' forum maybe?
He can say what he wants, i don't care.

For the record, I called you a bell end for your insistence that I WANT a war in which tens, maybe hundreds of thousands would die. In my universe, accusing someone of being so oblivious to human life is a far bigger personal insult than any name calling. Fascinating how some folk have different moral compasses.

[normal rules]

Back on topic I can see that BA are still operating flights to Moscow. Tomorrow for instance from Heathrow.
Surely airlines around the world should look to sanction Russia by limiting the ability of its people to get around.
Why target just the wealthy? Whilst they hold a lot of power and influence, there would be no better way to alienate his own people from him by banning international travel in and out of Russia.

[aidanstu]

Back on topic I can see that BA are still operating flights to Moscow. Tomorrow for instance from Heathrow.
Surely airlines around the world should look to sanction Russia by limiting the ability of its people to get around.
Why target just the wealthy? Whilst they hold a lot of power and influence, there would be no better way to alienate his own people from him by banning international travel in and out of Russia.

Why should airlines have to take the lead when the government could quite easily do it for them but don’t.

[SydneyRover]

This is not a very nice thing to say about johnson is it?

''These pathetic sanctions won’t hurt Putin. He’ll be laughing all the way to his dacha''

''Johnson keeps on saying that we are going to have a public register of beneficial ownership of UK property, so that shell companies owning swaths of UK property can’t hide their oligarch owners. Yet the government has been promising this for years – and Companies House still doesn’t have the power or the resources to verify information registered with it, so it’s easy to lie with impunity.

Johnson says they are closing the gold-plated tier 1 visa scheme for wealthy “investors”, but he still won’t tell us how many oligarchs were granted rights here without a proper examination of where their wealth came from. It’s difficult not to worry that the Russians who have given money to the Tories can have done so only because they were given UK nationality by the Tories. In any other country we would call that corruption''

''We need much tougher, wider sanctions. We need reform of Companies House so we know the truth behind shell companies. We need a new Foreign Lobbying Act, reform to the Official Secrets Act and the immediate publication of the review into tier 1 visas''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/22/vladimir-putin-ukraine-sanctions-boris-johnson

johnson is a jellyfish

Would you like to tell us who started the " Golden Visa Scheme " Sydney ?

I'll give you a clue , it began in 2008 .


 

Maybe that's why you don't make a lot of sense tyke, banging your head too much, tell me who was responsible for implementing it since they came to power?

Don't be like that Sydney because your party will soon be chasing any donations that they are lucky enough to be offered .

Unite Union considering  pulling funding given Keith's lack of support for the Coventry bin drivers dispute .

Change the subject why don't you tyke, caught out again, Brown brought the visas in as part if his work to boost the economy, but in your little britain brain of blaming labour for everything you are the first fool to rush in every time.

[normal rules]

Back on topic I can see that BA are still operating flights to Moscow. Tomorrow for instance from Heathrow.
Surely airlines around the world should look to sanction Russia by limiting the ability of its people to get around.
Why target just the wealthy? Whilst they hold a lot of power and influence, there would be no better way to alienate his own people from him by banning international travel in and out of Russia.

Why should airlines have to take the lead when the government could quite easily do it for them but don’t.

Airlines are already taking steps by cancelling flights to Ukraine, but that’s to protect planes and people. But they are still happy to fly to the aggressor nation. It just seems a bit daft.

[DRFCSouth]

Back on topic I can see that BA are still operating flights to Moscow. Tomorrow for instance from Heathrow.
Surely airlines around the world should look to sanction Russia by limiting the ability of its people to get around.
Why target just the wealthy? Whilst they hold a lot of power and influence, there would be no better way to alienate his own people from him by banning international travel in and out of Russia.

Why should airlines have to take the lead when the government could quite easily do it for them but don’t.

Airlines are already taking steps by cancelling flights to Ukraine, but that’s to protect planes and people. But they are still happy to fly to the aggressor nation. It just seems a bit daft.

The Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down over Ukraine. Perhaps that's a good enough reason.

The airlines will wait for direction as ultimately people need ferrying around.

And their freedom to overfly countries is protected.

[ravenrover]

Shot down by who, though?

[aidanstu]

Back on topic I can see that BA are still operating flights to Moscow. Tomorrow for instance from Heathrow.
Surely airlines around the world should look to sanction Russia by limiting the ability of its people to get around.
Why target just the wealthy? Whilst they hold a lot of power and influence, there would be no better way to alienate his own people from him by banning international travel in and out of Russia.

Why should airlines have to take the lead when the government could quite easily do it for them but don’t.

Airlines are already taking steps by cancelling flights to Ukraine, but that’s to protect planes and people. But they are still happy to fly to the aggressor nation. It just seems a bit daft.

Not really; nobody is going to be invading Russia or waging war there; we would be at war; do you suggest they stop flying planes to the UK?

You suggested it should be done as a sanction; sanctions are the governments job. Can you imagine what might happen if airlines started making themselves political targets?

[ravenrover]

I see Liz is now saying any English team who gets to the CL final in St Petersburg should boycott it

[drfchound]

She also suggested that the final shouldn’t go ahead in St Petersburg and that it should be switched to another venue.

[normal rules]

GAZPROM have got their feet very well under the UEFA table to the tune of tens of millions. It will be very interesting to see how UEFA deal with this as they would stand to lose biblical sums of money if GAZPROM pulled their sponsorship.
Another example of Russians buying influence and favour.

[normal rules]

Nice to see Germany’s Bild newspaper is refusing to show fc shalke sponsor GAZPROM in pics. Instead placing a photoshopped message about Ukraine over it.

[SydneyRover]

I see Liz is now saying any English team who gets to the CL final in St Petersburg should boycott it

so they are saying boycott and move it?

[wilts rover]

I see Liz is now saying any English team who gets to the CL final in St Petersburg should boycott it

Yet she was happy enough to allow the Winter Olympics in China?

And go to a fundraising party with the wife of Putin's ex-finance minster?

Start doing things instead of posturing about them Liz.

[drfchound]

From the Guardian.

Uefa is ready to drop St Petersburg as the venue for this year’s Champions League final, but has yet to take a decision, as the military crisis in Ukraine deepens.

The final of Europe’s most prestigious club competition is due to be played in Russia’s second-largest city on 28 May but Uefa finds itself under increasing pressure to move the venue after Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, announced a decision to send troops into Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region.

Officials, including Uefa’s president, Alexander Ceferin, were in discussions over the location of the match on Tuesday. The Champions League final has been moved, because of Covid, in both of the past two seasons.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Russian separatists in Donetsk staging farcically bad videos claiming to show attacks by Ukraine forces. Here is a video supposedly showing someone who has had his leg blown off. Except there's no blood and there is clear evidence of him already having prosthetic attachments.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1495736730548322310

Not even remotely plausible, but this will be the sort of justification used for a Russian attack.  And some Putin fan boys here will say Russia is just being defensive.

[Filo]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

[Axholme Lion]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

[SydneyRover]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

Says the forum's number one putin apologist

[rtid88]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

How can you possibly be still defending a bloke that has just started a totally unnecessary war that could lead to the death of millions.

[Filo]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

Every sovereign Country as the right to determine it’s own future, the biggest mistake Ukraine made was trusting the Russians word and giving their Nukes to them, if Ukraine had Nukes the madman that is Putin would not have been so bold, how you can defend unprovoked aggression is beyond me

[Axholme Lion]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

Every sovereign Country as the right to determine it’s own future, the biggest mistake Ukraine made was trusting the Russians word and giving their Nukes to them, if Ukraine had Nukes the madman that is Putin would not have been so bold, how you can defend unprovoked aggression is beyond me

Like bombing Sarajevo, Libya, Iraq. Oh yes Nato are really trustworthy. People in glass houses...

[DRFC_DonnyRed50]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

Every sovereign Country as the right to determine it’s own future, the biggest mistake Ukraine made was trusting the Russians word and giving their Nukes to them, if Ukraine had Nukes the madman that is Putin would not have been so bold, how you can defend unprovoked aggression is beyond me

Like bombing Sarajevo, Libya, Iraq. Oh yes Nato are really trustworthy. People in glass houses...

Iraq wasn't NATO was it? Both Sarajevo and Libya had United Nations backing. You're choosing to die on a very odd hill here I must say. There can be no excuses for what Putin has just done. If countries want to join NATO, they shouldn't be excluded by how close they are to a certain country. Does Putin not realise that his actions will cause NATO to close ranks and for other countries close to his border to accelerate their applications to join NATO.

[Filo]

Well the Russians have invaded, time to boot out all the dodgy Russians in this Country and confiscate all their UK assets, and for NATO to make it clear that put one step on NATO soil and it’s full scale military confrontation, Belarus must also be sanctioned, the free world can not allow this to happen

The West caused the whole situation over the past thirty years by breaking promises about eastern expansion of Nato.

Every sovereign Country as the right to determine it’s own future, the biggest mistake Ukraine made was trusting the Russians word and giving their Nukes to them, if Ukraine had Nukes the madman that is Putin would not have been so bold, how you can defend unprovoked aggression is beyond me

Like bombing Sarajevo, Libya, Iraq. Oh yes Nato are really trustworthy. People in glass houses...

United Nations, NATO has only ever attacked the Taliban regime in Afgan in the War on Terror