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The bombing was NATO's second major combat operation, following the 1995 bombing campaign in Bosnia and Herzegovina. It was the first time that NATO had used military force without the expressed endorsement of the UN Security Council, which triggered debates over the legitimacy of the intervention.
I just want to say I have been reading all the comments and not one ounce of empathy for the innocent population of Ukraine.
Is anyone even remotely surprised Russia is pushing back?This is a game of Risk albeit on a global scale . It was always going to happen.
Quote from: normal rules on February 24, 2022, 11:44:29 amIs anyone even remotely surprised Russia is pushing back?This is a game of Risk albeit on a global scale . It was always going to happen. But the reason why all these countries were so eager to join NATO has just been demonstrated. Russia is a declining power, their power is waning. They're becoming desperate in being able to have influence on the world stage eg. Syria and CrimeaSweden/Finland/Georgia will all accelerate their plans to join NATO I'm sure of it.NATO has never been offensive, it is purely defensive. Russia doesn't like it because they can't touch former USSR territories that have now joined NATO.
Quote from: DRFC_DonnyRed50 on February 24, 2022, 11:54:44 amQuote from: normal rules on February 24, 2022, 11:44:29 amIs anyone even remotely surprised Russia is pushing back?This is a game of Risk albeit on a global scale . It was always going to happen. But the reason why all these countries were so eager to join NATO has just been demonstrated. Russia is a declining power, their power is waning. They're becoming desperate in being able to have influence on the world stage eg. Syria and CrimeaSweden/Finland/Georgia will all accelerate their plans to join NATO I'm sure of it.NATO has never been offensive, it is purely defensive. Russia doesn't like it because they can't touch former USSR territories that have now joined NATO.It’s a land grab of Ukraine while he can. It’s strategically important with access to the Black Sea. The west will have to accept it as collateral damage. There is no other option. Send NATO troops in and everyone loses.
Quote from: River Don on February 24, 2022, 11:05:24 amDavid Davis has just said the RAF should give the Ukrainians air support.Madness.That Tobias Elwood had a rush of blood to the head also earlier suggesting we should deploy troops into Ukraine. What a whopper.
David Davis has just said the RAF should give the Ukrainians air support.Madness.
Quote from: normal rules on February 24, 2022, 12:11:46 pmQuote from: DRFC_DonnyRed50 on February 24, 2022, 11:54:44 amQuote from: normal rules on February 24, 2022, 11:44:29 amIs anyone even remotely surprised Russia is pushing back?This is a game of Risk albeit on a global scale . It was always going to happen. But the reason why all these countries were so eager to join NATO has just been demonstrated. Russia is a declining power, their power is waning. They're becoming desperate in being able to have influence on the world stage eg. Syria and CrimeaSweden/Finland/Georgia will all accelerate their plans to join NATO I'm sure of it.NATO has never been offensive, it is purely defensive. Russia doesn't like it because they can't touch former USSR territories that have now joined NATO.It’s a land grab of Ukraine while he can. It’s strategically important with access to the Black Sea. The west will have to accept it as collateral damage. There is no other option. Send NATO troops in and everyone loses. The probable threshold for Nato going in is an attack on a Nato member, there are reports of missles landing 70km from Poland
The irony BST that you campaigned door to door to have the worlds biggest Russian apologist elected PM
Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta is being printed in Russian and Ukrainian as a sign of dissent against the war, and its editor is openly criticising Putin. I can't fathom how brave you have to be to do that. This guy has painted a massive target on his back now.
Quote from: normal rules on February 24, 2022, 11:14:04 amQuote from: River Don on February 24, 2022, 11:05:24 amDavid Davis has just said the RAF should give the Ukrainians air support.Madness.That Tobias Elwood had a rush of blood to the head also earlier suggesting we should deploy troops into Ukraine. What a whopper. Did he actually say that? The interview I saw he said NATO should have put troops into Ukraine 6 months ago as a peace keeping mission and perhaps that would then have made Putin think twice
Quote from: Ldr on February 24, 2022, 10:07:26 amThe irony BST that you campaigned door to door to have the worlds biggest Russian apologist elected PMI did. And I said at the time that t was the worst choice of PM there had ever been in an election. But on balance, I preferred the one who had a schoolboy outlook on Russia, but who was surrounded by MPs who were much more hard-headed and would control him, rather than one who had deliberately sat on a report into how Russia was attacking or democracy, who had given a peerage to the son of an FSB colonel, and whose party was up to its neck in Putin kleptocrat finance.Politics is about getting a least worst outcome. One of those two was going to be in No10 after that election. Which one would you have preferred?And which of the two alternatives would you prefer now?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 24, 2022, 12:33:33 pmQuote from: Ldr on February 24, 2022, 10:07:26 amThe irony BST that you campaigned door to door to have the worlds biggest Russian apologist elected PMI did. And I said at the time that t was the worst choice of PM there had ever been in an election. But on balance, I preferred the one who had a schoolboy outlook on Russia, but who was surrounded by MPs who were much more hard-headed and would control him, rather than one who had deliberately sat on a report into how Russia was attacking or democracy, who had given a peerage to the son of an FSB colonel, and whose party was up to its neck in Putin kleptocrat finance.Politics is about getting a least worst outcome. One of those two was going to be in No10 after that election. Which one would you have preferred?And which of the two alternatives would you prefer now?Still Boris.... As much as I dislike Boris he is still a better choice than Corbyn ever would be. Just look at Corbyn and Abbott's comments last week to see how he'd have been a disaster.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on February 24, 2022, 01:27:04 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 24, 2022, 12:33:33 pmQuote from: Ldr on February 24, 2022, 10:07:26 amThe irony BST that you campaigned door to door to have the worlds biggest Russian apologist elected PMI did. And I said at the time that t was the worst choice of PM there had ever been in an election. But on balance, I preferred the one who had a schoolboy outlook on Russia, but who was surrounded by MPs who were much more hard-headed and would control him, rather than one who had deliberately sat on a report into how Russia was attacking or democracy, who had given a peerage to the son of an FSB colonel, and whose party was up to its neck in Putin kleptocrat finance.Politics is about getting a least worst outcome. One of those two was going to be in No10 after that election. Which one would you have preferred?And which of the two alternatives would you prefer now?Still Boris.... As much as I dislike Boris he is still a better choice than Corbyn ever would be. Just look at Corbyn and Abbott's comments last week to see how he'd have been a disaster.I'll accept I may be wrong but have you ever voted labour pud?
Champions league final confirmed as being moved from st Petersburg. This is a good start.Now kick Russia out of the World Cup and impose a unilateral ban on them taking part in any football competition in the west .Sport should be about bringing people together.Now is the time to use football as a powerful sanction.
Quote from: SydneyRover on February 24, 2022, 01:58:06 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on February 24, 2022, 01:27:04 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 24, 2022, 12:33:33 pmQuote from: Ldr on February 24, 2022, 10:07:26 amThe irony BST that you campaigned door to door to have the worlds biggest Russian apologist elected PMI did. And I said at the time that t was the worst choice of PM there had ever been in an election. But on balance, I preferred the one who had a schoolboy outlook on Russia, but who was surrounded by MPs who were much more hard-headed and would control him, rather than one who had deliberately sat on a report into how Russia was attacking or democracy, who had given a peerage to the son of an FSB colonel, and whose party was up to its neck in Putin kleptocrat finance.Politics is about getting a least worst outcome. One of those two was going to be in No10 after that election. Which one would you have preferred?And which of the two alternatives would you prefer now?Still Boris.... As much as I dislike Boris he is still a better choice than Corbyn ever would be. Just look at Corbyn and Abbott's comments last week to see how he'd have been a disaster.I'll accept I may be wrong but have you ever voted labour pud?Yes, my local labour councillors largely do a good job.
Quote from: normal rules on February 24, 2022, 02:46:46 pmChampions league final confirmed as being moved from st Petersburg. This is a good start.Now kick Russia out of the World Cup and impose a unilateral ban on them taking part in any football competition in the west .Sport should be about bringing people together.Now is the time to use football as a powerful sanction. They should be totally ostracised from all sport - even the sports they repeatedly cheat in - and travel to and from Russia should be severely constricted..We should also restrict the travel of the Russian senate members who voted this through - albeit, with a possible 'vacation' in Siberia if they had objected. Hit the people that are close to Putin and effectively imprison them in Russia - decline them their jet-set social western lifestyles and there will soon be some uncalm amongst his nearest and dearest.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 24, 2022, 12:33:33 pmQuote from: Ldr on February 24, 2022, 10:07:26 amThe irony BST that you campaigned door to door to have the worlds biggest Russian apologist elected PMI did. And I said at the time that t was the worst choice of PM there had ever been in an election. But on balance, I preferred the one who had a schoolboy outlook on Russia, but who was surrounded by MPs who were much more hard-headed and would control him, rather than one who had deliberately sat on a report into how Russia was attacking or democracy, who had given a peerage to the son of an FSB colonel, and whose party was up to its neck in Putin kleptocrat finance.Politics is about getting a least worst outcome. One of those two was going to be in No10 after that election. Which one would you have preferred?And which of the two alternatives would you prefer now?Still Boris.... As much as I dislike Boris he is still a better choice than Corbyn ever would be. Just look at Corbyn and Abbott's comments last week to see how he'd have been a disaster.