Ukraine

[SydneyRover]

Someone suggested on Twitter that he has late stage syphilis and has gone mad

It's normal in times of war to paint the enemy as a nutter, even though we know this one is, look at how they portrayed gadafi.

[Filo]

Ukraine have re taken Hostomel airfield captured by Russian airborne troops earlier, the airborne troops have been eliminated

17 Russian attack helicopter, with Russian special forces all killed apparently

[SydneyRover]

As mentioned earlier respect to the peace protesters in Russia and to Nalvalny who is probably fighting a life sentence.

[BillyStubbsTears]

All Labour MP's have now withrawn their names from the Stop the War letter as requested by Starmer

https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1496915658856341504

The fact that any of them even thought about putting their signatures to a letter which mumbled something about Russia's "movement of forces" (couldn't even bring themselves to call it an illegal invasion) is a disgrace. They aren't socialists. They are lapdogs to a fascist. They should be drummed out of the party.

[rich1471]

Does anyone think he may be seriously/terminally ill and just doesn’t give a f**k.

He looks a bit different in the videos/photos to me.

He could know he is dying and just wants to go out with a bang ,but he is crazy

[bahrain rover]

While all eyes are on Ukraine keep an eye on China and Taiwan

This is my worry out here in the Philippines Filo. As China are already claiming a stake in the Scarborough Shole and Spratly Islands. Claiming them to be in the South China Sea, when in fact they are in Philippines waters. They have taken over uninhabited islands and done thier dredging/pumping sand stuff, and made the islands big enough to put runways on them. The consensus is that these islands offer a deep water channel directly in to the Pacific. Therefore making deployment of submarines harder to detect. Now this is one that would blow up, due to America's long military standing with the Philippines.

[albie]

All Labour MP's have now withrawn their names from the Stop the War letter as requested by Starmer

https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1496915658856341504

The fact that any of them even thought about putting their signatures to a letter which mumbled something about Russia's "movement of forces" (couldn't even bring themselves to call it an illegal invasion) is a disgrace. They aren't socialists. They are lapdogs to a fascist. They should be drummed out of the party.

The Labour MP's were under threat from the Chief Whip to have the whip removed, so acted to remove their names.

Stop the War new statement of position:
https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/stop-the-war-statement-on-ukraine-24-02-22/

The last two sentences of your post show where your beliefs take you into a dark place.
What do you think fascism actually is, within the Labour Party?

Luke Akehurst is proposing potential use of nuclear weapons by the UK over the Ukraine situation.
https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1496937305768181766

Are you in with the Labour right on this helpful suggestion?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Albie.

1) That StW statement is precisely the one I was talking about. Unable to find it in themselves to call the illegal Russian warmaking what it is. "Movement" of Russian forces for f**ks sake!

2) Do you REALLY need to ask if I support an utter idiot saying stupid things like that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile this is the insane reaction that war fever produces.
.https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-urged-to-expel-russian-citizens-194140502.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

One of my best friends is a Russian, who has lived and worked in the UK for 25 years and is married to a Ukrainian woman. This f**king idiot would throw them out of the country, while his party has been accepting Putin's money without question for a decade and more. What about just throwing out the kleptocrats who have his party by the balls?

[albie]

BST,

You do not have to agree with the STW position.....many do not!

The point is that those who do, have a right to hold that opinion without being threatened with having the whip removed.

Compliance without dissent is not compatible with a democratic organisation, respectful of difference of view.

Advocating peace seems to me a moral position, even where there are questions about how it maps on to the actions of a deranged lunatic.

Glad to hear you are not aligned with the demented Akehurst, key advisor to Keith and Co.

[SydneyRover]

BST,

You do not have to agree with the STW position.....many do not!

The point is that those who do, have a right to hold that opinion without being threatened with having the whip removed.

Compliance without dissent is not compatible with a democratic organisation, respectful of difference of view.

Advocating peace seems to me a moral position, even where there are questions about how it maps on to the actions of a deranged lunatic.

Glad to hear you are not aligned with the demented Akehurst, key advisor to Keith and Co.

On the one hand you are saying that people should have the freedom to hold an opinion and on the other you are condemning Starmer for allowing the same?

Bit of a wonky position Albie?

[Axholme Lion]

Is anyone even remotely surprised Russia is pushing back?
This is a game of Risk albeit on a global scale .
It was always going to happen.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST,

You do not have to agree with the STW position.....many do not!

The point is that those who do, have a right to hold that opinion without being threatened with having the whip removed.

Compliance without dissent is not compatible with a democratic organisation, respectful of difference of view.

Advocating peace seems to me a moral position, even where there are questions about how it maps on to the actions of a deranged lunatic.

Glad to hear you are not aligned with the demented Akehurst, key advisor to Keith and Co.

Albie.

Find me a single example of StW EVER explicitly and unambiguously condemning Russian warmongering, without using mealy-mouthed words like "movement" and I'll accept their right to take part in balanced discussion.

But you won't. Because such examples don't exist. Not over Ukraine. Not over Aleppo. Not over Georgia. No retrospective comments about how Russia wiped Grozny off the map.

Because they are not interested in stopping war. Their policy is the same that Seamus Milne's was when he was Corbyn's spin doctor. Never to prioritise criticising Russia because criticism should always be aimed at NATO. Whatever the problem: blame NATO, the USA and the UK.

Now. At a time when, for the first time in 75 years, a country has sent tanks into another country, you can align yourself with an implicitly Russian apologist if you want. Just don't expect to stay in the Labour party.

[normal rules]

Meanwhile this is the insane reaction that war fever produces.
.https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-urged-to-expel-russian-citizens-194140502.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

One of my best friends is a Russian, who has lived and worked in the UK for 25 years and is married to a Ukrainian woman. This f**king idiot would throw them out of the country, while his party has been accepting Putin's money without question for a decade and more. What about just throwing out the kleptocrats who have his party by the balls?

Good grief. Absurdity.
There are circa 70,000 Russian citizens in the uk, that we know of.

[normal rules]

The tit for tat has begun. Russia now bans all uk registered planes.
I see Manchester United have ditched their link to Aeroflot. They were supposed to be using them to fly to their next euro game, and have now arranged with another carrier. Good stuff.
Aeroflot shares have tanked 40% in the last 5 days.
GAZPROM shares also down 37% over last 5 days.

[normal rules]

Sberbank shares down 53% in last 5.
VTB down 53 % also.

Putin will bankrupt his country the way this is going.
His own people will turn against him. It’s already happening.
Madman.

[normal rules]

CL final to be held in Paris.

[normal rules]

I’m quite surprised to see tanks rolling around urban Kyiv.
This is not a place for tanks bearing in mind they would be very easy to take out with an anti tank weapon.
Tanks are not designed to be used in urban areas. They become a very easy target.

[River Don]

I’m quite surprised to see tanks rolling around urban Kyiv.
This is not a place for tanks bearing in mind they would be very easy to take out with an anti tank weapon.
Tanks are not designed to be used in urban areas. They become a very easy target.

I imagine it's a show of strength to demonstrate to the population that they are here.

As you suggest though, it will suit Ukainian armed forces, who I guess will want to engage in urban guerilla war tactics.

[wilts rover]

Yes nr - stop the first tank and you have stopped the lot, because you have blocked the road, then they are sitting targets

[wilts rover]

Defence Minister, Ben Wallace said on the radio this morning that Ukraine had asked the UK for anti-aircraft missiles this morning - but we were unable to supply them.

That's because we dont have any. We rely solely on aircraft and ships.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Defence Minister, Ben Wallace said on the radio this morning that Ukraine had asked the UK for anti-aircraft missiles this morning - but we were unable to supply them.

That's because we dont have any. We rely solely on aircraft and ships.

Quite sensible when you think of it though they are something we don't necessarily need do we?

[normal rules]

Putin has stated anyone that gets involved will be subject to an immediate response. I’m guessing supplying Ukraine with weapons does not count?

[River Don]

Putin has stated anyone that gets involved will be subject to an immediate response. I’m guessing supplying Ukraine with weapons does not count?

It seems so, the Americans supplied the mujahadeen with weapons throughout the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Perhaps that sets a precedent?

[Axholme Lion]

The Ukrainians should surrender to avoid further bloodshed. They are being used as expendable cannon fodder by the US puppet government.

[SydneyRover]

A little good news

''Hacker collective Anonymous declares 'cyber war' against Russia, disables state news website''

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-02-25/hacker-collective-anonymous-declares-cyber-war-against-russia/100861160

[Metalmicky]

As mentioned earlier respect to the peace protesters in Russia and to Nalvalny who is probably fighting a life sentence.

Would love to see a revolution of the Russian people and an overthrow of Putin and his government - highly unlikely I know, but a groundswell of people protesting and challenging would be interesting.  I feel sorry for the civilian population of Russia who are faced with years of exile, loss of freedom and a good chance of falling into poverty - all on the back of this tin pot leader with SMS........ and possibly syphilis...

[SydneyRover]

Regime change would be the ultimate goal of sanctions

[normal rules]

A little good news

''Hacker collective Anonymous declares 'cyber war' against Russia, disables state news website''

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-02-25/hacker-collective-anonymous-declares-cyber-war-against-russia/100861160

I wonder under what flag Anonymous operate?
Again, I cite Putins threat of an immediate response to anyone that gets involved. This would be interpreted as a direct attack on Russia.

[Axholme Lion]

Regime change would be the ultimate goal of sanctions

What so Russia becomes another US sycophant state?