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Quote from: SydneyRover on March 09, 2022, 10:08:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on March 09, 2022, 10:00:09 pmQuote from: albie on March 09, 2022, 09:51:56 pmHound,I have made clear that Labour do not speak for me on this.What Cooper does not seem to understand when she splits hairs about "emergency visas" is that many fleeing a war zone do not have the documentation to complete the visa process, even if that process were reasonable.As it is not reasonable, with people being moved from pillar to post to meet absurd criteria, then call for it to be removed in the circumstances.No visa requirement, 1 year stay in which to catch up with the bureaucracy once people are safe.Albie, I am aware of your position on the refugee situation and I respect most of your posts as they are very fair.There are others on the forum though that are very quiet about the Labour stance on this despite posting vehemently against the same government stance, which the opposition are backing. It is noticeable how quiet those same people are now that Labour have announced their position on this.Double standards maybe.A two bob watch is correct twice a day houndI see you have nothing to say on this matter so don’t bother posting your usual crap to sway the conversation.
Quote from: drfchound on March 09, 2022, 10:00:09 pmQuote from: albie on March 09, 2022, 09:51:56 pmHound,I have made clear that Labour do not speak for me on this.What Cooper does not seem to understand when she splits hairs about "emergency visas" is that many fleeing a war zone do not have the documentation to complete the visa process, even if that process were reasonable.As it is not reasonable, with people being moved from pillar to post to meet absurd criteria, then call for it to be removed in the circumstances.No visa requirement, 1 year stay in which to catch up with the bureaucracy once people are safe.Albie, I am aware of your position on the refugee situation and I respect most of your posts as they are very fair.There are others on the forum though that are very quiet about the Labour stance on this despite posting vehemently against the same government stance, which the opposition are backing. It is noticeable how quiet those same people are now that Labour have announced their position on this.Double standards maybe.A two bob watch is correct twice a day hound
Quote from: albie on March 09, 2022, 09:51:56 pmHound,I have made clear that Labour do not speak for me on this.What Cooper does not seem to understand when she splits hairs about "emergency visas" is that many fleeing a war zone do not have the documentation to complete the visa process, even if that process were reasonable.As it is not reasonable, with people being moved from pillar to post to meet absurd criteria, then call for it to be removed in the circumstances.No visa requirement, 1 year stay in which to catch up with the bureaucracy once people are safe.Albie, I am aware of your position on the refugee situation and I respect most of your posts as they are very fair.There are others on the forum though that are very quiet about the Labour stance on this despite posting vehemently against the same government stance, which the opposition are backing. It is noticeable how quiet those same people are now that Labour have announced their position on this.Double standards maybe.
Hound,I have made clear that Labour do not speak for me on this.What Cooper does not seem to understand when she splits hairs about "emergency visas" is that many fleeing a war zone do not have the documentation to complete the visa process, even if that process were reasonable.As it is not reasonable, with people being moved from pillar to post to meet absurd criteria, then call for it to be removed in the circumstances.No visa requirement, 1 year stay in which to catch up with the bureaucracy once people are safe.
Quote from: drfchound on March 09, 2022, 11:02:33 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on March 09, 2022, 10:08:54 pmQuote from: drfchound on March 09, 2022, 10:00:09 pmQuote from: albie on March 09, 2022, 09:51:56 pmHound,I have made clear that Labour do not speak for me on this.What Cooper does not seem to understand when she splits hairs about "emergency visas" is that many fleeing a war zone do not have the documentation to complete the visa process, even if that process were reasonable.As it is not reasonable, with people being moved from pillar to post to meet absurd criteria, then call for it to be removed in the circumstances.No visa requirement, 1 year stay in which to catch up with the bureaucracy once people are safe.Albie, I am aware of your position on the refugee situation and I respect most of your posts as they are very fair.There are others on the forum though that are very quiet about the Labour stance on this despite posting vehemently against the same government stance, which the opposition are backing. It is noticeable how quiet those same people are now that Labour have announced their position on this.Double standards maybe.A two bob watch is correct twice a day houndI see you have nothing to say on this matter so don’t bother posting your usual crap to sway the conversation.I have already posted plenty on Britain's pathetic stance on refugees and well before the war started, I think you need to point your accusations on those that enabled the election of a liar and a traitor hound maybe not expose your personal political naivety to the world.
Dribble hound
............. and the 'good' news doesn't stop there...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60680787
Finally....Chelsea FC owner Roman Abramovich one of seven oligarchs sanctioned by UK governmenthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60690362
That didn't last long''Oil prices rose on Thursday amid confusion over whether major producers would help to plug a gap in supplies from Russia.The United Arab Emirates had appeared to push members of the Opec producer group to raise output, only for the UAE's energy minister to quash hopes.The oil price rose more than 3%, after a 17% fall on Wednesday."To suggest the oil market is confused would be an understatement," said analyst Stephen Innes.https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60680787
Quote from: Metalmicky on March 10, 2022, 09:26:31 amFinally....Chelsea FC owner Roman Abramovich one of seven oligarchs sanctioned by UK governmenthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60690362No match ticket sales, no transfers, no contract extensions, the govt have seized Chelsea FC
Another escalationNATO is to warn Russia that it will take direct action in Ukraine if Russian forces deploy unconventional weapons...It's not clear what that means exactly
Gas I would think, with all the talk about it recently RD
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 10, 2022, 10:06:35 amGas I would think, with all the talk about it recently RDYes, sorry, I was t clear. I meant what sort of action NATO would take.
Why on earth would Putin want to "drag us in"?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 10, 2022, 10:19:42 amWhy on earth would Putin want to "drag us in"?He already has in some respects.
Why on earth would Putin want to "drag us in"?
Quote from: normal rules on March 10, 2022, 10:29:37 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 10, 2022, 10:19:42 amWhy on earth would Putin want to "drag us in"?He already has in some respects.There is nothing whatsoever that Putin stands to gain by bring NATO into a shooting match in Ukraine.At best he gets his arse kicked big time. At worst it's the end of the world.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 10, 2022, 10:19:42 amWhy on earth would Putin want to "drag us in"?He already has in some respects.
Why on earth would Putin want to "drag us in"?
Putin's rational. There's too much nonsense been talked about him being insane (some of it by me in the initial shock, admittedly).He is what he's always been. A calculating thug. What's happened here is that for the first time in his life, he's miscalculated. And he knows it. He's seen what happens to his forces when faced with any sort of modern resistance force. They are shit. The myth of the Russian army has disolved. That's not to say he won't continue committing bestial war crimes by trying to bomb Ukraine into surrender. But he knows he cannot win this. What he needs is a way out. That requires skilfull backstage diplomacy by the Americans. What he absolutely does not need is American troops and planes firing at his forces. That leaves him facing the choice between utter humiliation or escalation.