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I have a confidence that we have people within the service that are attempting to or have already cultivated relationships with persons who are siloviki. The highest level of espionage. Agents within the Kremlin close to the inner circle. It’s something the UK have always been very good at. Mi6 will have an awareness of what’s going to happen before it actually does. They may even be in a position to steer and influence.A lot of talk of Russian influence in London, but trust me, this works both ways. We may not have uk billionaires owning great swathes of Moscow, but we will have something far, far more valuable. Influential, powerful Russians on our payroll.
Quote from: normal rules on March 11, 2022, 09:22:31 pmI have a confidence that we have people within the service that are attempting to or have already cultivated relationships with persons who are siloviki. The highest level of espionage. Agents within the Kremlin close to the inner circle. It’s something the UK have always been very good at. Mi6 will have an awareness of what’s going to happen before it actually does. They may even be in a position to steer and influence.A lot of talk of Russian influence in London, but trust me, this works both ways. We may not have uk billionaires owning great swathes of Moscow, but we will have something far, far more valuable. Influential, powerful Russians on our payroll.Maybe they should have told us about the invasion being planned. putin has had the banks build up their foreign currency reserves since Crimea to a massive level, noone joined the dots?
do you know for sure what day it is hound?
Knowing something is going to happen is one thing. Being in a position to do something about it is another. Sometimes very high level intelligence simply cannot be acted on, because to do so would put the source(s) at risk. The British government spend huge amounts of money identifying, cultivating, acquiring and managing covert assets across the world . At all levels including government. They protect them to the enth degree. Even if it means sitting on very very significant intelligence.Pick your fights. Timeliness. Unless you have been part of the Intel world, you perhaps would not understand this. It would not have gone un noticed that Russia was amassing foreign currency. It was obviously deemed not necessary , justified or proportionate to react.
Quote from: normal rules on March 11, 2022, 10:15:39 pmKnowing something is going to happen is one thing. Being in a position to do something about it is another. Sometimes very high level intelligence simply cannot be acted on, because to do so would put the source(s) at risk. The British government spend huge amounts of money identifying, cultivating, acquiring and managing covert assets across the world . At all levels including government. They protect them to the enth degree. Even if it means sitting on very very significant intelligence.Pick your fights. Timeliness. Unless you have been part of the Intel world, you perhaps would not understand this. It would not have gone un noticed that Russia was amassing foreign currency. It was obviously deemed not necessary , justified or proportionate to react.This is exactly the point I was making NR.
Quote from: drfchound on March 11, 2022, 10:23:27 pmQuote from: normal rules on March 11, 2022, 10:15:39 pmKnowing something is going to happen is one thing. Being in a position to do something about it is another. Sometimes very high level intelligence simply cannot be acted on, because to do so would put the source(s) at risk. The British government spend huge amounts of money identifying, cultivating, acquiring and managing covert assets across the world . At all levels including government. They protect them to the enth degree. Even if it means sitting on very very significant intelligence.Pick your fights. Timeliness. Unless you have been part of the Intel world, you perhaps would not understand this. It would not have gone un noticed that Russia was amassing foreign currency. It was obviously deemed not necessary , justified or proportionate to react.This is exactly the point I was making NR.And yet you just said this ................''No one has any idea of what the UK intelligence people know or knew.Do you know for sure that we didn’t know that an invasion was being planned''
The whole intelligence gathering and espionage development scene around this conflict will be deliberate and calculated. MI6 and CIA will be working 24/7. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.
Quote from: normal rules on March 11, 2022, 10:27:18 pmThe whole intelligence gathering and espionage development scene around this conflict will be deliberate and calculated. MI6 and CIA will be working 24/7. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.You'd better take it up with hound, he says this''No one has any idea of what the UK intelligence people know or knew.Do you know for sure that we didn’t know that an invasion was being planned''
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 11, 2022, 10:29:30 pmQuote from: normal rules on March 11, 2022, 10:27:18 pmThe whole intelligence gathering and espionage development scene around this conflict will be deliberate and calculated. MI6 and CIA will be working 24/7. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.You'd better take it up with hound, he says this''No one has any idea of what the UK intelligence people know or knew.Do you know for sure that we didn’t know that an invasion was being planned''You are embarrassing yourself now SR.
Richard Moore, head of MI6 stated last month that they knew that Russia had been planning this for months. They also knew of a Russian plot to have Zelensky assassinated.
Are you saying that our intelligence force knew russia was readying for an invasion but didn't bother to tell us? they sure told everyone once the build up began.
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 11, 2022, 10:19:23 pmAre you saying that our intelligence force knew russia was readying for an invasion but didn't bother to tell us? they sure told everyone once the build up began.. Syd. You said the above. Do you think that the intelligence people should have made this common knowledge.
The question was directed to you, so do you or did you know?
It might be worth reading my post about the Lusitania Syd. About 1340 from memory.The whole point of secret services is just that. They are secret. In the case of the Lusitania for a helluva lot of people that secret still stands today - more than 100 years later. Of course they're not going to publicise mire than is strategically useful. And in any evento, their role is principally yo sdvifse their poitical masters. What they do with the Intel is the question we should ALL be asking... Ive Made it plain times many that our polítical leaders were appraised of the nature of Putin 10 years ago and more. .It is política that has les us tov where we are today. Not secret services.BobG
Quote from: BobG on March 12, 2022, 02:21:53 amIt might be worth reading my post about the Lusitania Syd. About 1340 from memory.The whole point of secret services is just that. They are secret. In the case of the Lusitania for a helluva lot of people that secret still stands today - more than 100 years later. Of course they're not going to publicise mire than is strategically useful. And in any evento, their role is principally yo sdvifse their poitical masters. What they do with the Intel is the question we should ALL be asking... Ive Made it plain times many that our polítical leaders were appraised of the nature of Putin 10 years ago and more. .It is política that has les us tov where we are today. Not secret services.BobGI did read your comment and am fully across the role of the service. If you look at the comments above it looks as though some appear to want to claim insider knowledge rather than what is gleaned from the papers. My point is if the service were fully across all this information, why wasn't it passed onto the government? more likely they did know and did pass it on and are exposed yet again as lazy, greedy and incompetent GOVERNMENT and have to be dragged kicking and screaming into properly helping refugees and sanctioning their sponsors. As you say or imply all this should have been ready to go not death by a thousand cuts.As with my comment before same thread asking why these oligarchs are now being sanctioned, because nothing has changed in the past couple of weeks, they have been aiding and abetting a dictator and murderer.
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