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drfchound

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1470 on March 15, 2022, 07:27:08 pm by drfchound »
What is the bravest thing you have ever done:

https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1503447615807049731

The sign says:

“Stop the war
Don’t believe propaganda
They’re lying to you”

and she is chanting, 'Stop the War, No to War'

Her name is Maria Ovsyanikova and we will most likely never see her again.

Fined the equivalent of £215.

That's a real surprise, and a welcome one.

She could still be charged under the new laws, 15years in jail still a possibility

That is a good point Raven.
Maybe the fine being made public is to kid us all that the situation has been dealt with.
What happens afterwards may never become common knowledge.



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Dutch Uncle

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1471 on March 15, 2022, 07:56:57 pm by Dutch Uncle »
This is the best military assessment I have seen of operations in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/status/1503499716209754115

To help, COA = Course of Action, OA = Operational Area, OE = Operational Environment

In my past life I have been heavily involved in operational planning and the use of wargaming (and in particular developing tools for use in those wargames) as referred to - it is an essential part of Course of Action development, comparison and selection (tweets 7 and 8). So I found it very interesting and very telling on the Russian side.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2022, 08:03:11 pm by Dutch Uncle »

wilts rover

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« Reply #1472 on March 15, 2022, 08:08:22 pm by wilts rover »
What is the bravest thing you have ever done:

https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1503447615807049731

The sign says:

“Stop the war
Don’t believe propaganda
They’re lying to you”

and she is chanting, 'Stop the War, No to War'

Her name is Maria Ovsyanikova and we will most likely never see her again.

Fined the equivalent of £215.

That's a real surprise, and a welcome one.

Amazing, I really thought we would never see her again.

wilts rover

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1473 on March 15, 2022, 08:11:50 pm by wilts rover »
For anyone interested on Putin and his rise to power, there is a new series on Radio 4 here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0015nfc

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1474 on March 15, 2022, 08:41:08 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Meanwhile, anyone who only gets their news from the Indy or the Evening Standard will not be finding out about MI6's concerns about Lebedev...



...who...

...you guessed it...


...owns the Indy and the Evening Standard.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1502931453218336768

Moscow media tactics right here in Britain. Do not publish criticism of the rich and powerful.

drfchound

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« Reply #1475 on March 15, 2022, 08:49:22 pm by drfchound »
Jeez, thank god the Guardian isn’t  politically motivated.

BobG

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« Reply #1476 on March 16, 2022, 01:12:52 am by BobG »
Well written Hound. Im impressed mate.

Cheers

BobG

River Don

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1477 on March 16, 2022, 08:17:21 am by River Don »
Culmination - in a military sense, seems to be the new word of the year.

ravenrover

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« Reply #1478 on March 16, 2022, 09:52:09 am by ravenrover »
What is the bravest thing you have ever done:

https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1503447615807049731

The sign says:

“Stop the war
Don’t believe propaganda
They’re lying to you”

and she is chanting, 'Stop the War, No to War'

Her name is Maria Ovsyanikova and we will most likely never see her again.

Fined the equivalent of £215.

That's a real surprise, and a welcome one.

Amazing, I really thought we would never see her again.
We still might not

Dutch Uncle

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« Reply #1479 on March 16, 2022, 11:15:24 am by Dutch Uncle »
This is the best military assessment I have seen of operations in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/status/1503499716209754115

To help, COA = Course of Action, OA = Operational Area, OE = Operational Environment

In my past life I have been heavily involved in operational planning and the use of wargaming (and in particular developing tools for use in those wargames) as referred to - it is an essential part of Course of Action development, comparison and selection (tweets 7 and 8). So I found it very interesting and very telling on the Russian side.

Maybe the bleak assessment of the Russian operation in the above tweet is linked to Zelensky making comments about negotiations now being 'more realistic' and this report by John Simpson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60756993

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1480 on March 16, 2022, 08:08:22 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
I see Putin is going full-on "I'm on the side of The People against The Elite."

https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1504116136966828043

I'm sure I've heard other rich and powerful right wing politicians use that line before...

Give me a minute...it'll come back to me.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1481 on March 16, 2022, 10:16:48 pm by SydneyRover »
''Ukraine has now killed a fourth senior Russian military general, President Volodymyr Zelensky says.

''If confirmed to be true - it would mean one-fifth of the roughly 20 Russian generals believed to be leading Moscow's invasion have been killed in combat so far.

It's a high number, and we've been reporting on how it's leading some experts to believe that Ukraine may be deliberating targeting high-level Russian officers with lethal force''

A statement of the bleedin' obvious from the bbc







BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1482 on March 17, 2022, 12:44:14 am by BillyStubbsTears »
If anyone still doubts that Putin is a true fascist, watch this. As the man says, this is straight from the 1930s school of demagoguery.

https://mobile.twitter.com/simonmontefiore/status/1504184497042079755

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1483 on March 17, 2022, 03:55:31 am by SydneyRover »
No doubt about johnson either, it's everyone else's fault

''Boris Johnson: Ukraine paying the price for West's failure over Putin''

Filo

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« Reply #1484 on March 17, 2022, 08:04:26 am by Filo »
Abromavich is back in Moscow, he’s moved his Super yaught to Turkey out of the way of sanctions, there is no doubt now where his loyalties lie, I wonder when was the last time he was in Moscow?

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #1486 on March 17, 2022, 03:03:56 pm by glosterred »

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1487 on March 17, 2022, 03:52:29 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
American banker and far-right politics/economics commentator after Zelensky's video address to Congress yesterday:

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/1504082706598146058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

God up above...

normal rules

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« Reply #1488 on March 17, 2022, 03:59:18 pm by normal rules »
''Ukraine has now killed a fourth senior Russian military general, President Volodymyr Zelensky says.

''If confirmed to be true - it would mean one-fifth of the roughly 20 Russian generals believed to be leading Moscow's invasion have been killed in combat so far.

It's a high number, and we've been reporting on how it's leading some experts to believe that Ukraine may be deliberating targeting high-level Russian officers with lethal force''

A statement of the bleedin' obvious from the bbc








 Cutting the head off the proverbial chicken.

River Don

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« Reply #1489 on March 17, 2022, 05:58:51 pm by River Don »
Things appear to be as desperate as they can possibly be in Mariupol, at least there are survivors being recovered from the wreckage of that theatre.

Very sadly I think the Russians will persist with this siege the longest and with most force. The city sits on the coast between the Donbas and Crimea, so they need it to create a land bridge between Russia and Crimea. In fact Putin was talking on Russian TV today about building a new motorway link to Crimea and all the new economic opportunities that would bring.

In his warped mind Mariupol already belongs to Russia.

belton rover

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« Reply #1490 on March 17, 2022, 06:02:32 pm by belton rover »
American banker and far-right politics/economics commentator after Zelensky's video address to Congress yesterday:

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/1504082706598146058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

God up above...
Billy. Why do you continuously find it necessary to trawl through Twitter to find such tweets to share on here. I doubt anyone needs to see that kind of pointless crap on this thread. Anyone who thinks Zelensky’s wardrobe is important is a buffoon. That is clear.
But you attempting to making it a thing on such a serious thread is plain sad and no more grown up than the original pathetic comment.

drfchound

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« Reply #1491 on March 17, 2022, 06:04:47 pm by drfchound »
American banker and far-right politics/economics commentator after Zelensky's video address to Congress yesterday:

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/1504082706598146058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

God up above...
Billy. Why do you continuously find it necessary to trawl through Twitter to find such tweets to share on here. I doubt anyone needs to see that kind of pointless crap on this thread. Anyone who thinks Zelensky’s wardrobe is important is a buffoon. That is clear.
But you attempting to making it a thing on such a serious thread is plain sad and no more grown up than the original pathetic comment.

I’m not sure who it was but a while back someone asked everyone not to politicise this thread.
It seems that SR and bst didn’t get the message.

River Don

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« Reply #1492 on March 17, 2022, 06:13:13 pm by River Don »
You have to marvel at that Twitter post though.

The suggestion reminds me of that Carry On movie scene, where the British sit down to dinner, in full Evening dress and continue eating as though the shelling of the building from the enemy outside and being showered in debris and dust were not happening.

Besides Zelensky is wearing military fatigues to show his commitment to the war effort and solidarity with the Ukrainian people. He understands the media and how to promote the right image.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2022, 07:55:43 pm by River Don »

drfchound

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« Reply #1493 on March 17, 2022, 07:51:59 pm by drfchound »
Agreed RD.
Totally crass and uncalled for.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1494 on March 17, 2022, 09:25:59 pm by SydneyRover »
noone likes trolls but they still persist

Branton Red

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« Reply #1495 on March 17, 2022, 09:54:54 pm by Branton Red »
President Zelensky highly critical of Germany in speech to Reichstag: -

"We told you Nord Stream was a weapon and a preparation for a great war. We heard in response it was a question of business."

"When we asked for preventative sanctions......We saw delays. We felt resistance...you wanted to continue the economy."

"Every year politicians repeat the words: never again. And now we see these words are worth nothing."

"We are trying to defend our country without your support."

"Why is a country that is across the ocean [the USA] helping us more now?"

"Chancellor Schulz give Germany the leadership that you deserve which will make future generations proud." i.e. implying the opposite has been the case previously.

Take the time to listen to this speech. A great speech by a great man. And a damning indictment of the geopolitical priorities of the biggest economy in Europe.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-FdDgNaC4

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HuiKhRK3mU
« Last Edit: March 17, 2022, 09:59:58 pm by Branton Red »

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1496 on March 17, 2022, 10:00:10 pm by SydneyRover »
President Zelensky highly critical of Germany in speech to Reichstag: -

"We told you Nord Stream was a weapon and a preparation for a great war. We heard in response it was a question of business."

"When we asked for preventative sanctions......We saw delays. We felt resistance...you wanted to continue the economy."

"Every year politicians repeat the words: never again. And now we see these words are worth nothing."

"We are trying to defend our country without your support."

"Why is a country that is across the ocean [the USA] helping us more now?"

"Chancellor Schulz give Germany the leadership that you deserve which will make future generations proud." i.e. implying the opposite has been the case previously.

Take the time to listen to this speech. A great speech by a great man. And a damning speech against the geopolitical priorities of the biggest economy in Europe.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-FdDgNaC4

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HuiKhRK3mU

With his back is against the wall he makes the most of his opportunities and leaves little or no room to misunderstand his intent.

drfchound

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« Reply #1497 on March 17, 2022, 10:07:06 pm by drfchound »
noone likes trolls but they still persist

Help me out Syd, who is this “noone” that you keep mentioning?
Genuine question.

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1498 on March 17, 2022, 10:31:37 pm by SydneyRover »
noone likes trolls but they still persist

Help me out Syd, who is this “noone” that you keep mentioning?
Genuine question.

Not sure why you'd need my help hound just look in the mirror

drfchound

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« Reply #1499 on March 17, 2022, 10:36:06 pm by drfchound »
noone likes trolls but they still persist

Help me out Syd, who is this “noone” that you keep mentioning?
Genuine question.

Not sure why you'd need my help hound just look in the mirror

Weyhey, thanks for being so predictable.
You have just won me a fiver.

Seriously though, why do you write “noone”.

 

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