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I've said it time after time. AL would have supported Hitler in 1937.Can a moderator please do something about this person's avatar? It is shameful us be seen to be accepting and condoning a fascist.
Would you agree with AL being allowed to have a dead Ukranian child as his avatar?
To the fascist supporters in here, and their apologists.This is how Russia is waging it's war. A 1000kg warhead on a notoriously inaccurate missile, lobbed at a town 200 miles from the front line, destroying a shopping mall and killing 18 civillians.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_strike_on_a_shopping_center_in_Kremenchuk.webmJust another day in Putin's imperialistic war.By the way BRR. After you tied yourself up in knots suggesting it might be a false flag, Russia has now admitted it was its own attack. They are claiming that they used a missile with shit accuracy, in a precision attack on a warehouse holding "western munitions" and that it was the unfortunate detonation of those munitions that destroyed an unused shopping mall.Funny that. Cos you went to great lengths to show that the missile struck an area between a railway line and the edge of the shopping mall. Where there were no warehouses before the strike.Are you comfortable acting as a stooge for a fascist butcher?
To the fascist supporters in here, and their apologists.This is how Russia is waging it's war. A 1000kg warhead on a notoriously inaccurate missile, lobbed at a town 200 miles from the front line, destroying a shopping mall and killing 18 civillians.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_strike_on_a_shopping_center_in_Kremenchuk.webmJust another day in Putin's imperialistic war.By the way BRR. After you tied yourself up in knots suggesting it might be a false flag, Russia has now admitted it was its own attack. They are claiming that they used a missile with shit accuracy, in a precision attack on a warehouse holding "western munitions" and that it was the unfortunate detonation of those munitions that destroyed an unused shopping mall.Funny that. Cos you went to great lengths to show that the missile struck an area between a railway line and the edge of the shopping mall. Where there were no warehouses before the strike.Are you comfortable acting as a stooge for a fascist butcher?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 30, 2022, 09:17:03 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 30, 2022, 09:11:33 pmQuote from: Dutch Uncle on June 27, 2022, 08:26:23 pmIn my eyes collateral damage from an air and missile attack is always the fault and blame of the attacker who has caused the situation by choosing a target where this is possible. Even if the damage was technically caused by debris from air defence missiles or targets these defence missiles had hit, the attacker is fully to blame. BTW I am no expert but the pictures of the apartment block I have seen look more like damage from an explosion than being hit by debris. Compare that with NATO's first ever offensive mission against Bosnian Serb air defences in which the Theatre Air Commander personally vetted all targets on a daily basis to make sure there was no chance of collateral damage.Source: 'Deliberate Force, an Air Study in Air Campaigning' by Col Robert C Owen (which backs up my personal experience as part of an after action Lessons Learned team) Putin and his Commanders have at best taken no account whatsoever of civilian casualties on regularly repeated occasions (Theatres, Churches, Schools, Hospitals, Supermarkets.......), and at worst are deliberately targeting them which is a war crime pure and simple. I meant to get back to this. It was around 500 civilians killed by NATO air strikes in Serbia? If so, that would be 1/16th the number that Mladic's Serb-backed butchers massacred in a couple of days in Srebrenica. If the NATO action did anything to prevent a repeat, it was justified.RUBBISH. WTF was Serbia any business of NATO? NATO is clearly a tool in the west and international big business to shape the world in their desired shape. SCUM.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on June 30, 2022, 09:11:33 pmQuote from: Dutch Uncle on June 27, 2022, 08:26:23 pmIn my eyes collateral damage from an air and missile attack is always the fault and blame of the attacker who has caused the situation by choosing a target where this is possible. Even if the damage was technically caused by debris from air defence missiles or targets these defence missiles had hit, the attacker is fully to blame. BTW I am no expert but the pictures of the apartment block I have seen look more like damage from an explosion than being hit by debris. Compare that with NATO's first ever offensive mission against Bosnian Serb air defences in which the Theatre Air Commander personally vetted all targets on a daily basis to make sure there was no chance of collateral damage.Source: 'Deliberate Force, an Air Study in Air Campaigning' by Col Robert C Owen (which backs up my personal experience as part of an after action Lessons Learned team) Putin and his Commanders have at best taken no account whatsoever of civilian casualties on regularly repeated occasions (Theatres, Churches, Schools, Hospitals, Supermarkets.......), and at worst are deliberately targeting them which is a war crime pure and simple. I meant to get back to this. It was around 500 civilians killed by NATO air strikes in Serbia? If so, that would be 1/16th the number that Mladic's Serb-backed butchers massacred in a couple of days in Srebrenica. If the NATO action did anything to prevent a repeat, it was justified.
Quote from: Dutch Uncle on June 27, 2022, 08:26:23 pmIn my eyes collateral damage from an air and missile attack is always the fault and blame of the attacker who has caused the situation by choosing a target where this is possible. Even if the damage was technically caused by debris from air defence missiles or targets these defence missiles had hit, the attacker is fully to blame. BTW I am no expert but the pictures of the apartment block I have seen look more like damage from an explosion than being hit by debris. Compare that with NATO's first ever offensive mission against Bosnian Serb air defences in which the Theatre Air Commander personally vetted all targets on a daily basis to make sure there was no chance of collateral damage.Source: 'Deliberate Force, an Air Study in Air Campaigning' by Col Robert C Owen (which backs up my personal experience as part of an after action Lessons Learned team) Putin and his Commanders have at best taken no account whatsoever of civilian casualties on regularly repeated occasions (Theatres, Churches, Schools, Hospitals, Supermarkets.......), and at worst are deliberately targeting them which is a war crime pure and simple. I meant to get back to this. It was around 500 civilians killed by NATO air strikes in Serbia?
In my eyes collateral damage from an air and missile attack is always the fault and blame of the attacker who has caused the situation by choosing a target where this is possible. Even if the damage was technically caused by debris from air defence missiles or targets these defence missiles had hit, the attacker is fully to blame. BTW I am no expert but the pictures of the apartment block I have seen look more like damage from an explosion than being hit by debris. Compare that with NATO's first ever offensive mission against Bosnian Serb air defences in which the Theatre Air Commander personally vetted all targets on a daily basis to make sure there was no chance of collateral damage.Source: 'Deliberate Force, an Air Study in Air Campaigning' by Col Robert C Owen (which backs up my personal experience as part of an after action Lessons Learned team) Putin and his Commanders have at best taken no account whatsoever of civilian casualties on regularly repeated occasions (Theatres, Churches, Schools, Hospitals, Supermarkets.......), and at worst are deliberately targeting them which is a war crime pure and simple.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 01, 2022, 02:58:20 pmTo the fascist supporters in here, and their apologists.This is how Russia is waging it's war. A 1000kg warhead on a notoriously inaccurate missile, lobbed at a town 200 miles from the front line, destroying a shopping mall and killing 18 civillians.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_strike_on_a_shopping_center_in_Kremenchuk.webmJust another day in Putin's imperialistic war.By the way BRR. After you tied yourself up in knots suggesting it might be a false flag, Russia has now admitted it was its own attack. They are claiming that they used a missile with shit accuracy, in a precision attack on a warehouse holding "western munitions" and that it was the unfortunate detonation of those munitions that destroyed an unused shopping mall.Funny that. Cos you went to great lengths to show that the missile struck an area between a railway line and the edge of the shopping mall. Where there were no warehouses before the strike.Are you comfortable acting as a stooge for a fascist butcher? I was suggesting possibilities whilst others leapt on the deliberate targeting of civilians line, including you. That behaviour is being a lap dog to lies and propaganda. I'm not saying Russia is blameless in this war, not at all, but I'm not sucking up the imperialist war mongering propaganda as you and others here are. I recognise your right to wave a flag, you and so many others.The missile did not appear to strike the shopping mall. Ukraine probably was storing weapons next to it. You think that is not shameful? As you also don't think Ukraine using human shields, basing itself in or adjacent to civilians including hospitals. There's your values.
To the fascist supporters in here, and their apologists.This is how Russia is waging it's war. A 1000kg warhead on a notoriously inaccurate missile, lobbed at a town 200 miles from the front line, destroying a shopping mall and killing 18 civillians.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_strike_on_a_shopping_center_in_Kremenchuk.webmJust another day in Putin's imperialistic war.By the way BRR. After you tied yourself up in knots suggesting it might be a false flag, Russia has now admitted it was its own attack. They are claiming that they used a missile with shit accuracy, in a precision attack on a warehouse holding "western munitions" and that it was the unfortunate detonation of those munitions that destroyed an unused shopping mall.Funny that. Cos you went to great lengths to show that the missile struck an area between a railway line and the edge of the shopping mall. Where there were no warehouses before the strike.Are you comfortable acting as a stooge for a fascist butcher?
1) I did not say Russia was deliberately targeting civilians. They don't have the capability with these weapons to deliberately target ANYTHING. My point was that they are recklessly terrorising civilian areas with poorly guided munitions. I'm not saying they are trying to kill civilians with these attacks. I'm saying they don't give a damn.2) "Ukraine probably was storing weapons next to it (the shopping mall)." How in the name of God can you possibly justify that comment and insist you are not a stooge for Russian propaganda? You have absolutely zero evidence that anyhting was being stored in that vicinity. You yourself posted aerial photographs showing that there was nothing within the vicinity of the impact crater other than a railway line and the shopping centre itself. This comment is a frankly disgusting effort to defend the indefensible. You are inventing an alternative truth world to justify what you want to be true.
Hello our visiting fascist. I left the Labour party in protest at Iraq, d**khead. And in any case, nothing the mitary did in Iraq comes close to the things that Putin has done in Grozny, or Aleppo or the Donbas that you've slavered over.Support this monster if that's who you are. Just don't ever try to convince anyone you are on the right side. You are a moral black hole.
NR.Thanks for your experience. And I can't imagine what you experienced. Were you stationed at Basrah?For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not criticising attacks on genuine military targets. I think the war that Putin has unleashed is an abomination, but once war is underway, attacks by military forces on each other are inevitable. My much bigger issue is the deliberate or indiscriminate use of force on civillians. Putin's forces have raped and murdered civilians behind the front line around Kiev. They knowingly targeted the Mariupol theatre, killing 600 sheltering civilians. They are indiscriminately lobbing crude, badly guided missiles into civilian areas hundreds of miles from the front.God knows I'm not saying Allied forces were blameless in Iraq. And I was against the war on principle from the start. But are you really saying that you personally saw deliberate or reckless targeting of civilians on the scale that we are seeing in Ukraine?
I also disagree with this and think AL should be able to choose whatever avatar he likes (within publi decency laws).In fact I am glad he chose this one as it shows us exactly who he is and which political ideology he is aligned too.Its the people who have exactly the same views as him, write the same Kremlin propoganda, and then claim to be neutral that frustrate me. At least AL is honest in his support.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 01, 2022, 08:51:21 pmI also disagree with this and think AL should be able to choose whatever avatar he likes (within publi decency laws).In fact I am glad he chose this one as it shows us exactly who he is and which political ideology he is aligned too.Its the people who have exactly the same views as him, write the same Kremlin propoganda, and then claim to be neutral that frustrate me. At least AL is honest in his support.How come your avatar isn't half stars and stripes and half yellow and blue?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 01, 2022, 09:45:02 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 01, 2022, 08:51:21 pmI also disagree with this and think AL should be able to choose whatever avatar he likes (within publi decency laws).In fact I am glad he chose this one as it shows us exactly who he is and which political ideology he is aligned too.Its the people who have exactly the same views as him, write the same Kremlin propoganda, and then claim to be neutral that frustrate me. At least AL is honest in his support.How come your avatar isn't half stars and stripes and half yellow and blue? If I thought it would do any good then I would change it. Half international brigade/half yellow & blue sounds good.