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Meanwhile, your occasional reminder of the hypocrite that is Jeremy Corbyn.To the best of my knowledge, this from 3 months ago is the last time he commented publicly on Putin's War.https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1518242386178097154How exactly anyone was supposed to enforce a withdrawal of Russian troops is anyone's guess but it sounds nice doesn't it?Since then, Russia has put the Donbas through the meat grinder, and regularly lobbed missiles into residential areas hundreds of miles from the front.Not a peep from Corbyn, that saintly, indomitable opponent of aggression. I wonder why he has lost his voice?
Fascinating thread here:Over the past five days there has been a massive drop off in Russian artillery shelling of Ukraine - as the Ukranians have begun targeting their ammo dumps and logistical centres with the newly arrived HIMARS. Are we about to see a swing in the direction of the war:https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1548560683692101633
This tipping point had been projected Wilts. I'm thinking this is now the most dangerous moment in the war. What does the thug in the Kremlin do if he starts to get forced back?
Quote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 02:00:52 pmFascinating thread here:Over the past five days there has been a massive drop off in Russian artillery shelling of Ukraine - as the Ukranians have begun targeting their ammo dumps and logistical centres with the newly arrived HIMARS. Are we about to see a swing in the direction of the war:https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1548560683692101633How many HIMARS have been destroyed? I've not seen any let off on shelling of Ukraine military, neither have the retreating Ukraine it would seem.
WiltsDon't you find it at all bemusing that a man who falls over himself to point out any military action that can be attributed to Western influence or i threats has said precisely nothing about Russia lobbing 1000kg anti-ship warheads into residential areas hundreds of miles from war fronts?I know that you are appalled and disgusted by those attacks, as I am. Why isn't Corbyn? Do you think he'd have stayed silent if Britain or America or Israel had done that? Of course he wouldn't. He'd have rightly been outraged.But Putin does it and there's not a squeak. And of course that fits a pattern. He refused ever to directly criticise Putin's obliteration of Aleppo, or his facilitating the gassing of Doumas. His instinct was not even to criticise Russia over the Salisbury attack until even he realised that stance wasn't politically credible. But then maybe it's not so odd when the Putin apologist that Corbyn himself hired as his Press Secretary is on record as saying that we shouldn't bring attention to Russian war crimes because they divert attention from those of the West.I'll tell you what I think. The hypocrisy disgusts me.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2022, 05:34:08 pmWiltsDon't you find it at all bemusing that a man who falls over himself to point out any military action that can be attributed to Western influence or i threats has said precisely nothing about Russia lobbing 1000kg anti-ship warheads into residential areas hundreds of miles from war fronts?I know that you are appalled and disgusted by those attacks, as I am. Why isn't Corbyn? Do you think he'd have stayed silent if Britain or America or Israel had done that? Of course he wouldn't. He'd have rightly been outraged.But Putin does it and there's not a squeak. And of course that fits a pattern. He refused ever to directly criticise Putin's obliteration of Aleppo, or his facilitating the gassing of Doumas. His instinct was not even to criticise Russia over the Salisbury attack until even he realised that stance wasn't politically credible. But then maybe it's not so odd when the Putin apologist that Corbyn himself hired as his Press Secretary is on record as saying that we shouldn't bring attention to Russian war crimes because they divert attention from those of the West.I'll tell you what I think. The hypocrisy disgusts me.Hypocrisy, ha ha.Russia obliterated Aleppo in 2016, the gassing was in 2918 as was the Salisbury terrorist attack.You still supported Corbyn through two GEs despite being disgusted at his non condemnation of these events.
Quote from: drfchound on July 17, 2022, 06:44:25 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2022, 05:34:08 pmWiltsDon't you find it at all bemusing that a man who falls over himself to point out any military action that can be attributed to Western influence or i threats has said precisely nothing about Russia lobbing 1000kg anti-ship warheads into residential areas hundreds of miles from war fronts?I know that you are appalled and disgusted by those attacks, as I am. Why isn't Corbyn? Do you think he'd have stayed silent if Britain or America or Israel had done that? Of course he wouldn't. He'd have rightly been outraged.But Putin does it and there's not a squeak. And of course that fits a pattern. He refused ever to directly criticise Putin's obliteration of Aleppo, or his facilitating the gassing of Doumas. His instinct was not even to criticise Russia over the Salisbury attack until even he realised that stance wasn't politically credible. But then maybe it's not so odd when the Putin apologist that Corbyn himself hired as his Press Secretary is on record as saying that we shouldn't bring attention to Russian war crimes because they divert attention from those of the West.I'll tell you what I think. The hypocrisy disgusts me.Hypocrisy, ha ha.Russia obliterated Aleppo in 2016, the gassing was in 2918 as was the Salisbury terrorist attack.You still supported Corbyn through two GEs despite being disgusted at his non condemnation of these events.And other people voted for Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson despite his party taking £millions in donations from Russian sources connected to Putin and he himself going to a party hosted by a known KGB agent (they are never ex-agents) and judged a security rik by MI5 less than a month after Salisbury.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 17, 2022, 02:40:40 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 02:00:52 pmFascinating thread here:Over the past five days there has been a massive drop off in Russian artillery shelling of Ukraine - as the Ukranians have begun targeting their ammo dumps and logistical centres with the newly arrived HIMARS. Are we about to see a swing in the direction of the war:https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1548560683692101633How many HIMARS have been destroyed? I've not seen any let off on shelling of Ukraine military, neither have the retreating Ukraine it would seem. No idea - I presume one of your sources will tell us?I presume they will also tell us how many ammo dumps, command posts and other logistical targets Ukraine has hit.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 03:10:48 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 17, 2022, 02:40:40 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 02:00:52 pmFascinating thread here:Over the past five days there has been a massive drop off in Russian artillery shelling of Ukraine - as the Ukranians have begun targeting their ammo dumps and logistical centres with the newly arrived HIMARS. Are we about to see a swing in the direction of the war:https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1548560683692101633How many HIMARS have been destroyed? I've not seen any let off on shelling of Ukraine military, neither have the retreating Ukraine it would seem. No idea - I presume one of your sources will tell us?I presume they will also tell us how many ammo dumps, command posts and other logistical targets Ukraine has hit.Reports of HIMARS getting destroyed. US not got an endless fundiung for them.The most solid evidence would be in the continued Russian advances. I'm not hearing of any reduction overall in shelling.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 03:10:48 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 17, 2022, 02:40:40 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 02:00:52 pmFascinating thread here:Over the past five days there has been a massive drop off in Russian artillery shelling of Ukraine - as the Ukranians have begun targeting their ammo dumps and logistical centres with the newly arrived HIMARS. Are we about to see a swing in the direction of the war:https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1548560683692101633How many HIMARS have been destroyed? I've not seen any let off on shelling of Ukraine military, neither have the retreating Ukraine it would seem. No idea - I presume one of your sources will tell us?I presume they will also tell us how many ammo dumps, command posts and other logistical targets Ukraine has hit.Reports of HIMARS getting destroyed. US not got an endless fundiung for them.The most solid evidence would be in the continued Russian advances. I'm not hearing I will not hear of any reduction overall in shelling.
BRR."Reports" from where?And of course you won't hear of any reduction in shelling if you get your info from Russian MoD Telegram accounts.
Did you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!
NNK - sure, if proven, and some of this is, it is terrible. I assume you noticed how there wasn't anything pointing to Ukraine attrocities?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:27:08 amNNK - sure, if proven, and some of this is, it is terrible. I assume you noticed how there wasn't anything pointing to Ukraine attrocities? Of course I noticed. The report was specifically called for in light of the atrocities being carried out by Russian troops. https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/vienna-international-organisations/moscow-mechanism-invoked-45-osce-participating_en?s=66 The report could have, of course, found no evidence of such atrocities; it didn’t, which should tell you something. The link I included in my earlier post was to the full report. It makes for very grim reading. However, I’m sure that any similar transgressions by Ukrainian troops will emerge fully in due course, though I doubt very much they will be of the same scale and nature as those highlighted in that report.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on July 19, 2022, 02:49:25 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:27:08 amNNK - sure, if proven, and some of this is, it is terrible. I assume you noticed how there wasn't anything pointing to Ukraine attrocities? Of course I noticed. The report was specifically called for in light of the atrocities being carried out by Russian troops. https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/vienna-international-organisations/moscow-mechanism-invoked-45-osce-participating_en?s=66 The report could have, of course, found no evidence of such atrocities; it didn’t, which should tell you something. The link I included in my earlier post was to the full report. It makes for very grim reading. However, I’m sure that any similar transgressions by Ukrainian troops will emerge fully in due course, though I doubt very much they will be of the same scale and nature as those highlighted in that report.I doubt it. You don't hear much about allied 'war crimes' in WW2 and afterwards but they must have happened. The victors write the history books...
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2022, 09:26:26 pmBRR."Reports" from where?And of course you won't hear of any reduction in shelling if you get your info from Russian MoD Telegram accounts. Sadly Zelensky is still crying too much to make his latest macho vid announcing the destruction of his US weapons and his call to arms of Ukraine women to add their bodies to the piles of men. Der.... of course western sources won't be saying it! I said there were reports, and in this war it's v difficult to confirm much, well not uness you buy western or Russian propaganda. Are you sure they are still all in operation?The shelling - if it's less then why is Russia advancing. Despite Wilt's mate saying how there is little/no change in the front line, Russia appears to be in Siversk now. The western maps update very slowly, often several days behind. The evidence in that is following various sources and seeing the slow catch up.Are the HIMARS causing problems? Of course they are. They probably have hit several key targets, and no doubt ammo dumps are part of that. Is Russia hunting down the HIMARS? Of course it is. The US sent 8, promised 4 more. Will that be enough? 12 weapons? How many missiles? Well we'll see.
BRR."Reports" from where?And of course you won't hear of any reduction in shelling if you get your info from Russian MoD Telegram accounts.
Quote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:23:54 amQuote from: wilts rover on July 17, 2022, 09:51:14 pmDid you not read the posts in that link - that detail the reduction in Russian shelling!!!As I said above, he also claims there has been no change in the front line. He's wrong.Can't you see how much effort is put into pro western propaganda? The US is fighting this proxy war with the aim of weakening Russia. This is effectivey a war between Russia and the US, supported by NATO countries. Ukraine people are the cannon fodder. It's sick.This is a war against an imperialist fascist dictator who has invaded a neighbouring smaller country intent on wiping it off the map.Full stop.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on July 19, 2022, 02:17:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2022, 09:26:26 pmBRR."Reports" from where?And of course you won't hear of any reduction in shelling if you get your info from Russian MoD Telegram accounts. Sadly Zelensky is still crying too much to make his latest macho vid announcing the destruction of his US weapons and his call to arms of Ukraine women to add their bodies to the piles of men. Der.... of course western sources won't be saying it! I said there were reports, and in this war it's v difficult to confirm much, well not uness you buy western or Russian propaganda. Are you sure they are still all in operation?The shelling - if it's less then why is Russia advancing. Despite Wilt's mate saying how there is little/no change in the front line, Russia appears to be in Siversk now. The western maps update very slowly, often several days behind. The evidence in that is following various sources and seeing the slow catch up.Are the HIMARS causing problems? Of course they are. They probably have hit several key targets, and no doubt ammo dumps are part of that. Is Russia hunting down the HIMARS? Of course it is. The US sent 8, promised 4 more. Will that be enough? 12 weapons? How many missiles? Well we'll see.So. Reports from where?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2022, 09:26:26 pmBRR."Reports" from where?And of course you won't hear of any reduction in shelling if you get your info from Russian MoD Telegram accounts. Sadly Zelensky is still crying too much to make his latest macho vid announcing the destruction of his US weapons and his call to arms of Ukraine women to add their bodies to the piles of men. Der.... of course western sources won't be saying it! I said there were reports, and in this war it's v difficult to confirm much, well not uness you buy western or Russian propaganda. Are you sure they are still all in operation?The shelling - if it's less then why is Russia advancing. Despite Wilt's mate saying how there is little/no change in the front line, Russia appears to be in Siversk now. The western maps update very slowly, often several days behind. The evidence in that is following various sources and seeing the slow catch up.Are the HIMARS causing problems? Of course they are. They probably have hit several key targets, and no doubt ammo dumps are part of that. Is Russia hunting down the HIMARS? Of course it is. The US sent 8, promised 4 more. Will that be enough? 12 weapons? How many missiles? Well we'll see.
BRR."Reports" from where?And of course you won't hear of any reduction in shelling if you get your info from Russian MoD Telegram accounts.