Ukraine

[Colin C No.3]

You’re out of your depth AGAIN Handshake.

Go for a long walk.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136

This aged well.

At some point you have to ask if Fox News is actually a Kremlin organisation.

This from today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1569321565531115523

WT-absolute-F?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Reports are that Russia has responded to the crushing defeat on the battlefield by firing a salvo of $13m KH-101 missiles at the main power station serving Kharkhiv.

Animals. Absolute animals.

You do get yer knockers in a twist old fella. Ukraine has been attacking the Nuke Station for weeks. Not heard you wailing about that?

The reason Russia wiped out the [power in the east was to stop the Ukraines shifting their armour and troops by rail. Reports of lots of sitting duck targets as the trains suddenly stopped.

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136

This aged well.

At some point you have to ask if Fox News is actually a Kremlin organisation.

This from today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1569321565531115523

WT-absolute-F?

The point about Russias targets being the military capability of Ukraine rather than the territory is true. Why wouldn't it be? Not sure what you're flapping about here?

[wilts rover]

"More money spent on UK"........ I see our new WUM is trying to be edgy (and relevant) like in other threads.

Meanwhile.............. there are some very disturbing atrocities happening in the liberated towns and villages...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/bodies-left-to-rot-as-people-describe-burying-neighbours-life-in-a-liberated-village-after-russians-retreat/ar-AA11ILtg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d746d80b8885498f9bcd336888e406e8

Yeah. I live in the UK mate. Not Ukraine. If we want to help Ukraine then fine. Do it properly otherwise row back and focus on us in Britain. That WUM enough? Whatever the f**k WUM means?

If you hadn't noticed recently, food prices have gone up. That's because Ukraine is a major food (and fertilister) exporter. So helping Ukraine is helping the UK.

[ncRover]

The strike on Ukrainian infrastructure today from Putin will further alienate Ukrainians from Russia of whom quite a lot had links to Russia.

Putin continuing to sentence Russian families young sons to death by war will alienate ordinary Russians from Putin.

The cultural response in Moscow will be very interesting. Putin all about the display of strength / being the “hero”.

[ncRover]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136

This aged well.

At some point you have to ask if Fox News is actually a Kremlin organisation.

There was quite a resistance from Americans in getting involved in fighting the nazis.

https://twitter.com/stevesilberman/status/1194361105297993728?lang=en-GB

[River Don]

I think this is a turning point. It's the first time the Ukrainians have really taken the initiative since the crisis began. It's been hugely succesful. They are now dictating the course of events, not Russia.

The news in Kherson looks good too. The Russians are cut off, hunkering down on their island whilst the Ukranians can pummel them at will. The demolarised Russians are stuck there full time with very limited supplies, whilst the Ukrainians rotate troops, keep everyone fresh and are highly motivated. It looks like it's just a matter of time.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1564408136378843136

This aged well.

At some point you have to ask if Fox News is actually a Kremlin organisation.

This from today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1569321565531115523

WT-absolute-F?

The point about Russias targets being the military capability of Ukraine rather than the territory is true. Why wouldn't it be? Not sure what you're flapping about here?

Go and listen to the bit where Fox News tells their watchers that things are currently going very badly for Ukraine and the war may be over by next week.

[tyke1962]

 Unconfirmed reports coming in within the last hour that no new Russian units are entering Ukraine .

Apparently the soldiers have refused to go and fight .

Also 18 municipal Russian mayors have called for the resignation of Putin .

Think the end may be near on a couple of levels .

Fingers crossed .

[Bristol Red Rover]

Unconfirmed reports coming in within the last hour that no new Russian units are entering Ukraine .

Apparently the soldiers have refused to go and fight .

Also 18 municipal Russian mayors have called for the resignation of Putin .

Think the end may be near on a couple of levels .

Fingers crossed .

Only recently a whole new army corps entered the battle from Russia. At least 16k troops, possibly double. Not heard any stories of them deserting.

Not sure what region your info is referring to?

From wiki "As of January 1, 2020, there are 20,846 municipal divisions in Russia, including 1,673 municipal districts"
So that 18 mayors is what in percent?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Is that 16k troop story from the same source as the one claiming the Russians chose to fall back in good order on the Kharkhiv front?

[tyke1962]

Unconfirmed reports coming in within the last hour that no new Russian units are entering Ukraine .

Apparently the soldiers have refused to go and fight .

Also 18 municipal Russian mayors have called for the resignation of Putin .

Think the end may be near on a couple of levels .

Fingers crossed .

Only recently a whole new army corps entered the battle from Russia. At least 16k troops, possibly double. Not heard any stories of them deserting.

Not sure what region your info is referring to?

From wiki "As of January 1, 2020, there are 20,846 municipal divisions in Russia, including 1,673 municipal districts"
So that 18 mayors is what in percent?

I don't know what area of Ukraine it doesn't say .

The 18 municipal Russian mayors are in Moscow and St Petersburg it doesn't say what percentage that comes in at .

The report refers specifically to the events of the last few days when the Russians fled for their lives and the Ukrainians have made huge gains .

The soldiers unwilling to fight seems to be a consequence of that .

Unconfirmed .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Unconfirmed reports coming in within the last hour that no new Russian units are entering Ukraine .

Apparently the soldiers have refused to go and fight .

Also 18 municipal Russian mayors have called for the resignation of Putin .

Think the end may be near on a couple of levels .

Fingers crossed .

I've seen the same reports about the lack of deployment of Battalion Tactical Groups being deployed.

It could mean that Putin is giving up.

It could mean that there's a mutiny going on.

It could mean something that I really do not want to think about.

[ncRover]

Unconfirmed reports coming in within the last hour that no new Russian units are entering Ukraine .

Apparently the soldiers have refused to go and fight .

Also 18 municipal Russian mayors have called for the resignation of Putin .

Think the end may be near on a couple of levels .

Fingers crossed .

Only recently a whole new army corps entered the battle from Russia. At least 16k troops, possibly double. Not heard any stories of them deserting.

Not sure what region your info is referring to?

From wiki "As of January 1, 2020, there are 20,846 municipal divisions in Russia, including 1,673 municipal districts"
So that 18 mayors is what in percent?

I don't know what area of Ukraine it doesn't say .

The 18 municipal Russian mayors are in Moscow and St Petersburg it doesn't say what percentage that comes in at .

The report refers specifically to the events of the last few days when the Russians fled for their lives and the Ukrainians have made huge gains .

The soldiers unwilling to fight seems to be a consequence of that .

Unconfirmed .

We have to remember that the Ukrainian side can put out propaganda as well (ghost of Kharkiv, farmers shooting down planes etc).

Hopefully this is true.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Lots of different reports of Russian soldiers surrendering at Kherson. No confirmation so treat with caution.

[normal rules]

If the story of the leaders of 18 municipal areas of Russia petitioning for Putin to resign is true, then those leaders are brave.
Very brave.
Good help them

[Bristol Red Rover]

I think Ukraine handled this offence well, so far. Russia Al ost certainly had largely vacated the area just before Ukraine attacked. They hadn't the numbers there to defend it. The surrenders orobs from the surrounded troops left to slow down the advance whilst the bilk got away. Now there's a new defence line.

BST - The 3rd Army Corps is well documented amongst a very wide variety of sources, go google. Probs not amongst your twitter Yankee fan boy mates tho 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh aye, there's a new defence line. About 100km behind the one they had last Thursday.

Does it ever dawn on you to change your info sources?

[SydneyRover]

BST, re your post about the Russian-Japanese battle of Tsushima, 1905 of which I knew nothing.

Togo, the Japanese hoisted the Z flag to commence battle. This as you say was a disaster for the Russians whom were absolutely smashed (with British help) I wonder if the Russians thought it could inspire them to victory in this offensive?

''The 1905 battle saw Japan's modern navy smash the aging Russian fleet ... Togo ordered the famous “Z-flag” hoisted as the battle commenced''

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2018/05/24/tsushima-the-battle-that-sank-imperial-russias-navy/

Further reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima

[Bristol Red Rover]

Oh aye, there's a new defence line. About 100km behind the one they had last Thursday.

Does it ever dawn on you to change your info sources?

Why wiould that not be the case? Using a strong natural barrier? Maybe your sources have a different analysis, one that includes how Ukraine is going to move its troops around the country? Maybe the line of importing electricity from Poland and Genramany? Or diesel from Bulgaria?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Righto. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I hadn't considered that this was a strategic withdrawal to a better defence line.

But ...err...you'd think they'd have taken their tanks with them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting read. https://breakingdefense.com/2022/09/russias-military-facing-steep-artillery-import-challenges-six-months-into-invasion/

Could be that Russian munitions are nearly exhausted.

[Metalmicky]

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think that's pretty close to the truth MM

Word was right at the start that Russian Intel officers were under intense pressure to file reports saying the invasion would be a cakewalk. They are terrified to tell the Thug in Chief that this are a disaster.

[wilts rover]

I think Ukraine handled this offence well, so far. Russia Al ost certainly had largely vacated the area just before Ukraine attacked. They hadn't the numbers there to defend it. The surrenders orobs from the surrounded troops left to slow down the advance whilst the bilk got away. Now there's a new defence line.

BST - The 3rd Army Corps is well documented amongst a very wide variety of sources, go google. Probs not amongst your twitter Yankee fan boy mates tho 

Which if it says anything should tell you that Russian intelligence is rubbish. Why didn't they spot the build up of Ukrainian forces in the north-east but instead fell for a dummy attack in the south (which I did tell you to be cautious about reporting a success/failure)?

And if they can't be relied on for that...

[wilts rover]

There's someone on here who may find this interesting

prior to the current offensive the Ukrainians, with the help of the US & UK 'war gamed' a single major attack. And concluded it would fail. Hence the feint to the south and this second main offensive:

https://twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1569658634652782593

[Bristol Red Rover]

What makes you think that Russia hadn't pretty much pre planned the withdrawal? I guess if they had drones, or even sattelites,  they might have spotted it. Keep up.

Given that there is still an offensive in the south, plus another one imminently planned in the SE, I think your twitter story is confused.

[Filo]

Unconfirmed reports that the Russians are fleeing Melitopol and running into Crimea, they’ll soon have to run into the sea at this rate

[BobG]

This could all come down to whether or not the Russians as a people have faith in their leader. If they do, if it is a real faith, then their morale ought to survive one defeat and their industrial and manpower capacity should ensure stalemate at worst. If their faith is limited to lip service, then we are more than likely going to witness very major changes.

But will those changes happen this time? I'm not sure. One battle defeat doesn't normally drive a nation to despair no matter how much the propaganda has misrepresented things. A second such defeat though....

BobG