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Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 27, 2022, 03:33:11 pmQuote from: BobG on September 26, 2022, 07:48:33 pmI just watched an American made documentary about 'Putin's Road to War'. It's being broadcast over here on the PBS America network on Channel 84 on Freeview.Although some will criticise it for using emotive photographs and videos, I was super impressed, and scared, by the history of the last 22 years of Putin. We forget a lot. But lay it out, historical fact after historical fact, and the picture it paints of Putin is downright nasty. It'll be repeated. It's worth an hour of anybody's time.BobGI haven't seen this yet. It's a US made docu, and from what I can see the writer is very firmly on the Democrat side of things. Nothing else he has done seems to challenge the US interference on the world. Do you think the perspective and spin here may be coming from a position of wanting to do down Putin?What you have linked to is also 'US made'. He's American.
Quote from: BobG on September 26, 2022, 07:48:33 pmI just watched an American made documentary about 'Putin's Road to War'. It's being broadcast over here on the PBS America network on Channel 84 on Freeview.Although some will criticise it for using emotive photographs and videos, I was super impressed, and scared, by the history of the last 22 years of Putin. We forget a lot. But lay it out, historical fact after historical fact, and the picture it paints of Putin is downright nasty. It'll be repeated. It's worth an hour of anybody's time.BobGI haven't seen this yet. It's a US made docu, and from what I can see the writer is very firmly on the Democrat side of things. Nothing else he has done seems to challenge the US interference on the world. Do you think the perspective and spin here may be coming from a position of wanting to do down Putin?
I just watched an American made documentary about 'Putin's Road to War'. It's being broadcast over here on the PBS America network on Channel 84 on Freeview.Although some will criticise it for using emotive photographs and videos, I was super impressed, and scared, by the history of the last 22 years of Putin. We forget a lot. But lay it out, historical fact after historical fact, and the picture it paints of Putin is downright nasty. It'll be repeated. It's worth an hour of anybody's time.BobG
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 27, 2022, 03:21:47 pmInterviews with people in Mariupol focusing on the referendum. You may disagree, but I don't see that these people are actors. What is said goes with everything I've seen and heard directly, as opposed to 2nd and 3rd hand reports from Western/Ukraine media.You can go back to hear what the previous guy said but this one, and the woman after describe clearly what happened there in the fighting.https://youtu.be/UE2J0leMgdU?t=740But you're just linking to a random YouTuber guy embedded in Russian forces. No different to those reports coming through from the other outlets who are part of the Western Conspiracy. The fact is there is a tonne of ethnic Russian people in many parts of Ukraine who have their own opinions and viewpoints. You are going to get that anywhere.
Interviews with people in Mariupol focusing on the referendum. You may disagree, but I don't see that these people are actors. What is said goes with everything I've seen and heard directly, as opposed to 2nd and 3rd hand reports from Western/Ukraine media.You can go back to hear what the previous guy said but this one, and the woman after describe clearly what happened there in the fighting.https://youtu.be/UE2J0leMgdU?t=740
Countless interviews? You've been to Ukaine and interviewed folk? Respect!
I struggle to understand how the publicly available record of a life of mendacity, violence, aggression, theft and appalling revenge can portray the point of view of anybody. It's all there. It's historical fact. The man is a beast. If he had 4 legs he would be put down. He should be.BobG
Quote from: BobG on September 27, 2022, 04:11:04 pmI struggle to understand how the publicly available record of a life of mendacity, violence, aggression, theft and appalling revenge can portray the point of view of anybody. It's all there. It's historical fact. The man is a beast. If he had 4 legs he would be put down. He should be.BobGNot saying he's anything but what you say, but then on a monstrous abusive cuddly uncle level, so is Johnson, and then so many of the US leaders and their puppet handlers couched in their protective faux democracy and flag. There's not going to be a docu on them in the same vein is there?And then, are you saying there's no spin put on it for extra desired effect?
I wonder how long it will be before news emerges of Russian people being oppressed in Georgia (again) so Russia say it's their duty to protect their people and invades in another land grab!?
NRRussia annexed Crimea years ago. Ukraine has attacked multiple targets in Crimea without escalation happening. Putin will NOT use WMDs over Luhansk or Kherson.
Here we go. Russia have just announced they will annex 4 areas of Ukraine on Friday. This changes things significantly. As opposed to the current situation where Ukrainian aggression can be justified as defending Ukraine, Any future attacks on annexed areas will be seen as a direct attack on Russia. Paving the way for Putin to start reacting in a much more significant way.
Quote from: normal rules on September 29, 2022, 11:16:34 amHere we go. Russia have just announced they will annex 4 areas of Ukraine on Friday. This changes things significantly. As opposed to the current situation where Ukrainian aggression can be justified as defending Ukraine, Any future attacks on annexed areas will be seen as a direct attack on Russia. Paving the way for Putin to start reacting in a much more significant way. This is entirely for domestic consumption only within Russia. Nobody outside of Russia will recognise these areas as Russian territory. Tens of thousands of Russians are not buying it either!! Yes, it gives Putin yet another way to justify further thuggery and now legitimise sending conscripts into these areas (which of course doing so before was unlawful) Hopefully more shit will hit the Putin fan when these more recently mobilised troops become fertiliser.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 29, 2022, 11:20:29 amNRRussia annexed Crimea years ago. Ukraine has attacked multiple targets in Crimea without escalation happening. Putin will NOT use WMDs over Luhansk or Kherson. The attacks in Crimea are not nearly the same category as the attacks on Russian territory in the other 4 areas. I doubt very much that Russia will use even small nukes but they will be stepping up with conventional means, as will Ukraine. Meanwhile, the US sits back and watches it's virtual Vietnam.
A logistical problem that has seen them out gunning Ukraine by around a factor of ten.Where is your info from about the availability of weapons and inability to manufacture, and buy, more? How does this complare to Ukraine?Ukraine has a bloated conscript army too. Russia has far more resources than Ukraine. Far more conscripts available.Not sure why you are so passionately one sided in this, except for you swallowing pro west/US propaganda, which is mainly put out by the Ukraine MoD.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on September 29, 2022, 06:20:03 pmA logistical problem that has seen them out gunning Ukraine by around a factor of ten.Where is your info from about the availability of weapons and inability to manufacture, and buy, more? How does this complare to Ukraine?Ukraine has a bloated conscript army too. Russia has far more resources than Ukraine. Far more conscripts available.Not sure why you are so passionately one sided in this, except for you swallowing pro west/US propaganda, which is mainly put out by the Ukraine MoD.Jesus Christ on a bike! Do you not see the irony in what you have written there?.
The best assessment I have seen of the possibility of Putin using nuclear weapons:https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/28/opinions/how-close-putin-nuclear-war-de-bretton-gordon/index.htmlI don't believe he will either, but I do think chemical weapons are a very real possibility, especially if some 'deniability' can be scraped from a 'nearby' chemical plant.
Quote from: Dutch Uncle on September 29, 2022, 08:33:26 pmThe best assessment I have seen of the possibility of Putin using nuclear weapons:https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/28/opinions/how-close-putin-nuclear-war-de-bretton-gordon/index.htmlI don't believe he will either, but I do think chemical weapons are a very real possibility, especially if some 'deniability' can be scraped from a 'nearby' chemical plant.And for balance, do you think Ukraine may try chem weapons? They are already shelling with the illegal anti personel mines in massive numbers.