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Armageddon, however you cut it, is fairly unpleasant for everybody.BobG
Quote from: scawsby steve on October 07, 2022, 05:27:39 pmGood old Biden, as f*cking useless as ever. Instead of saying what HE's going to do, as President of the USA, he's telling US, who can do nothing about it, that we're on the brink of Armeggedon.In doing so, he's just sent a message to Putin, the bully, that the whole of the West is terrified of him.Well done, Joe.Not quite sure - if you attempt to launch a nuclear missile we will obliterate your country - is sending a message to Putin that you are frightened. Or do you have a different meaning of Armageddon (the end of days) to me?No NATO country is going to launch a first strike. There's a reason it's called a nuclear deterrent.
Good old Biden, as f*cking useless as ever. Instead of saying what HE's going to do, as President of the USA, he's telling US, who can do nothing about it, that we're on the brink of Armeggedon.In doing so, he's just sent a message to Putin, the bully, that the whole of the West is terrified of him.Well done, Joe.
Very sad listening to that from the frontline, got to feel not just for the Ukrainians but also for these Russians being sent there to almost certain death, I’m sure they don’t know what awaits them and they don’t have much of a choice in going there.
Quote from: andy didcott on October 08, 2022, 06:48:45 am Very sad listening to that from the frontline, got to feel not just for the Ukrainians but also for these Russians being sent there to almost certain death, I’m sure they don’t know what awaits them and they don’t have much of a choice in going there.Not being sent to almost certain death. Sure its v dangerous. I'd be more concerned being a Ukraine sent to the front.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 07, 2022, 10:24:16 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 07, 2022, 05:27:39 pmGood old Biden, as f*cking useless as ever. Instead of saying what HE's going to do, as President of the USA, he's telling US, who can do nothing about it, that we're on the brink of Armeggedon.In doing so, he's just sent a message to Putin, the bully, that the whole of the West is terrified of him.Well done, Joe.Not quite sure - if you attempt to launch a nuclear missile we will obliterate your country - is sending a message to Putin that you are frightened. Or do you have a different meaning of Armageddon (the end of days) to me?No NATO country is going to launch a first strike. There's a reason it's called a nuclear deterrent.You're falling for that line? Oh, dear.The deal is if the US/NATO ups its support for Ukraine to the point of.... say, invading old Russia, or does more than the gas line attack, then the button is hit with an almighty feck you! We know the US is a bully, greedy as, pushes and pushes with the delusion of being World boss. This threat is saying, watch your step.
Quote from: BobG on October 07, 2022, 10:57:08 pmThank you Tyke. Horrible. But then, those who start wars never worry about things like that do they? (And I am not pointing fingers at anybody at all with that comment. I am speaking in a very general sense)BobGThose were my thoughts too Bob , whilst I know the Russians have committed despicable war crimes in Ukraine it won't apply to every one of them and as you say the vast majority are totally bewildered why they are in Ukraine .Young Russian soldiers still have parents , wives , kids and are simply fodder for a tyrant who doesn't care about them .
Thank you Tyke. Horrible. But then, those who start wars never worry about things like that do they? (And I am not pointing fingers at anybody at all with that comment. I am speaking in a very general sense)BobG
Or does more than the gas line attack?I'm not aware of any evidence as to who blew up the gas line, but it does seem really strange to suggest Te West, who depend on it in normal times, did it equally strange to say the Russians when all they would need to do is turn the supply off
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 08, 2022, 03:53:41 pmQuote from: andy didcott on October 08, 2022, 06:48:45 am Very sad listening to that from the frontline, got to feel not just for the Ukrainians but also for these Russians being sent there to almost certain death, I’m sure they don’t know what awaits them and they don’t have much of a choice in going there.Not being sent to almost certain death. Sure its v dangerous. I'd be more concerned being a Ukraine sent to the front.Really , that's not what this Russian soldier says .https://youtu.be/AYHWH5IG-Zs
Quote from: ravenrover on October 08, 2022, 09:32:07 pmOr does more than the gas line attack?I'm not aware of any evidence as to who blew up the gas line, but it does seem really strange to suggest Te West, who depend on it in normal times, did it equally strange to say the Russians when all they would need to do is turn the supply offThe main argument of a benefit to Russia for the destruction is that is absolves them from any comeback for not supplying the gas as per the contracts. Possible, but unlikely to be a consideration they have. Much better for them to have the gas supply as a bargaining chip.As the US is stepping up its gas shipments to Europe it gives it a motive, plus taking out the Russian's bargaining chip. Would the UK be doing this for the US? Absolutely, as could any NATO country. Norway could well be involved, it certainly benefits from a halt to Russian gas.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 09, 2022, 10:59:31 pmQuote from: ravenrover on October 08, 2022, 09:32:07 pmOr does more than the gas line attack?I'm not aware of any evidence as to who blew up the gas line, but it does seem really strange to suggest Te West, who depend on it in normal times, did it equally strange to say the Russians when all they would need to do is turn the supply offThe main argument of a benefit to Russia for the destruction is that is absolves them from any comeback for not supplying the gas as per the contracts. Possible, but unlikely to be a consideration they have. Much better for them to have the gas supply as a bargaining chip.As the US is stepping up its gas shipments to Europe it gives it a motive, plus taking out the Russian's bargaining chip. Would the UK be doing this for the US? Absolutely, as could any NATO country. Norway could well be involved, it certainly benefits from a halt to Russian gas.The explosions coincided with the opening of the Baltic Pipeline by-passing Russian supplies by taking gas from Norway to Poland. It was a message from Putin saying that he can take out any undersea pipeline at any time. He wants to control energy supplies to Europe - because that's his bargaining chip to stopping Europe supporting Ukraine.
BBC''The building housing the German consulate in Kyiv was hit by a Russian missile strike, Reuters news agency quotes Germany's foreign ministry as saying''Technically German soil, I doubt/hope that this would not be a trigger for NATO to get involved.
Belarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he is
Quote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.I’m not sure the people of Belarus will take kindly to being used as Putins cannon fodder