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Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.A Russian invasion 'in the west' is a declaration of war on NATO. If Putin can't defeat Ukraine after 6 months how do you reckon he will get on with NATO?
Quote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.
Belarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he is
Quote from: wilts rover on October 10, 2022, 05:16:00 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.A Russian invasion 'in the west' is a declaration of war on NATO. If Putin can't defeat Ukraine after 6 months how do you reckon he will get on with NATO?The west of Ukraine is not anything to do with NATO.
I know I might be talking a bit daft here, however I've a mate who used to be in the SAS, although I'm not supposed to know, and he's thinking the same. Surely the Yanks must have something up their sleeves. Their intelligence on the ground all over the world is phenomenal, that's how they were able to capture Saddam Hussein, take his 2 sons out, and take out Bin Laden.Surely if they were certain he was going to launch nuclear missiles, he could somehow be dealt with.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 05:36:31 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 10, 2022, 05:16:00 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.A Russian invasion 'in the west' is a declaration of war on NATO. If Putin can't defeat Ukraine after 6 months how do you reckon he will get on with NATO?The west of Ukraine is not anything to do with NATO.Then why did you mention 'the west'. Belarus is north/north-east of Ukraine? It's where the Russian attack on Kyiv came from.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 10, 2022, 05:16:00 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.A Russian invasion 'in the west' is a declaration of war on NATO. If Putin can't defeat Ukraine after 6 months how do you reckon he will get on with NATO?The west of Ukraine is not anything to do with NATO.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.A Russian invasion 'in the west' is a declaration of war on NATO. If Putin can't defeat Ukraine after 6 months how do you reckon he will get on with NATO?
Quote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.
One thing is crystal clear after today. Putin is prepared to take offensive action which has precisely zero military effectiveness. In fact, no, not zero. It has negative military effect because all it does is strengthen resolve against Russia, inside and outside Ukraine.And he does this purely from a bestial revenge reflex. To massage his own crumbling, worthless ego.The man is truly scum. Anyone who blathers their way to justifying his actions has made their choice now.
Quote from: wilts rover on October 10, 2022, 05:39:51 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 05:36:31 pmQuote from: wilts rover on October 10, 2022, 05:16:00 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 10, 2022, 04:19:48 pmQuote from: Filo on October 10, 2022, 11:58:22 amBelarus making noises about invading Ukraine now, good luck with that Lukashenko, you only have 60k troops, Putin is playing you like the cowardly bully he isIt's most likely a ploy to tie up Ukraine troops in the West. On the other hand, there is a point where Russia will invade in the West to slow the arms being supplied to Ukraine.A Russian invasion 'in the west' is a declaration of war on NATO. If Putin can't defeat Ukraine after 6 months how do you reckon he will get on with NATO?The west of Ukraine is not anything to do with NATO.Then why did you mention 'the west'. Belarus is north/north-east of Ukraine? It's where the Russian attack on Kyiv came from.Did you notice the topic here is titled "Ukraine"? Sure I could have said west of Ukraine to save people who are likely to fly off with the hysterical angles, but...Belarus is where some of the Russian attack came from, not all. There are Russians stationed in Belarus now, and nearby there. It's a way of holding Ukraine troops in the west.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 10, 2022, 06:47:34 pmOne thing is crystal clear after today. Putin is prepared to take offensive action which has precisely zero military effectiveness. In fact, no, not zero. It has negative military effect because all it does is strengthen resolve against Russia, inside and outside Ukraine.And he does this purely from a bestial revenge reflex. To massage his own crumbling, worthless ego.The man is truly scum. Anyone who blathers their way to justifying his actions has made their choice now. Agreed. And the pathetic spin from the Kremlin is Ukrainian anti aircraft devices have caused their missiles to be deflected to civilian targets
Something I noticed on videos right at the start of the war.https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1579164370445094915Watch the lack of movement from Putin's right arm.He's not a well man.
Do we start with the park or the apartment buildings?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 10, 2022, 08:07:49 pmDo we start with the park or the apartment buildings?Go on then. And what else?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 11, 2022, 01:56:42 amSomething I noticed on videos right at the start of the war.https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1579164370445094915Watch the lack of movement from Putin's right arm.He's not a well man. Apparently he's only got one ball.Seriously disturbing that you are still banging on in the same vein. This war is disgusting, you do have to step out of the propaganda pool you're in to see how there can be a solution where ordinary people stop getting slaughtered. Kinda first base for a socialist. Go back and see why it is happening, and then with that understanding know how it can be solved.I spelt out my solution a long way back. You have persisted in saying nothing bar being enthiusiastic about demonising one side and justifying the slaughter. I say you, it's so many here doing similar, but I did think you had the nouse to see beyond big balls futility.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 11, 2022, 02:48:03 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 11, 2022, 01:56:42 amSomething I noticed on videos right at the start of the war.https://mobile.twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1579164370445094915Watch the lack of movement from Putin's right arm.He's not a well man. Apparently he's only got one ball.Seriously disturbing that you are still banging on in the same vein. This war is disgusting, you do have to step out of the propaganda pool you're in to see how there can be a solution where ordinary people stop getting slaughtered. Kinda first base for a socialist. Go back and see why it is happening, and then with that understanding know how it can be solved.I spelt out my solution a long way back. You have persisted in saying nothing bar being enthiusiastic about demonising one side and justifying the slaughter. I say you, it's so many here doing similar, but I did think you had the nouse to see beyond big balls futility.What a bizarre response to the specifics of my post.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 11, 2022, 02:55:09 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 10, 2022, 08:07:49 pmDo we start with the park or the apartment buildings?Go on then. And what else?Three schoolsOne kindergartenTwo social hubsSix cultural institutionsFive medical facilities Two administrative buildings
Quote from: Filo on October 11, 2022, 07:55:48 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 11, 2022, 02:55:09 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 10, 2022, 08:07:49 pmDo we start with the park or the apartment buildings?Go on then. And what else?Three schoolsOne kindergartenTwo social hubsSix cultural institutionsFive medical facilities Two administrative buildingsSeveral power stations and other electrical facilities, to the point of Ukraine stopping electricity export. More of this today.Azov and Gallicia Brig, SBU HQ in Kiev.Mobile towers.Rail centres.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 11, 2022, 08:03:51 pmQuote from: Filo on October 11, 2022, 07:55:48 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 11, 2022, 02:55:09 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on October 10, 2022, 08:07:49 pmDo we start with the park or the apartment buildings?Go on then. And what else?Three schoolsOne kindergartenTwo social hubsSix cultural institutionsFive medical facilities Two administrative buildingsSeveral power stations and other electrical facilities, to the point of Ukraine stopping electricity export. More of this today.Azov and Gallicia Brig, SBU HQ in Kiev.Mobile towers.Rail centres.And..Three schoolsOne kindergartenTwo social hubsSix cultural institutionsFive medical facilitiesTwo administrative buildingsAnd a pavement and a road junction. If I shoot three murderers and 10 children, I've still shot 10 children. Your logic is beyond reprehensible.
And by the way. The analogy I just gave is more than meeting you halfway. It's accepting that Russia trying to destroy power and communications systems is justified as an act of war. It isn't. It is an act of terrorism by an aggressive invader, aimed at pauperising the Ukrainian people.