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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 04:32:57 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:24:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:08:11 amPicture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking. Whatever, BST reading my mind, different times, and done and dusted. Still got no soluton for now?Go on then. Explain to me why you would have supported Czechoslovakia over the Sudetenland, rather than telling them to suck it up because people would get killed if they resist.This is about Ukraine. What is your idea for a solution there?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:24:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:08:11 amPicture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking. Whatever, BST reading my mind, different times, and done and dusted. Still got no soluton for now?Go on then. Explain to me why you would have supported Czechoslovakia over the Sudetenland, rather than telling them to suck it up because people would get killed if they resist.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:08:11 amPicture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking. Whatever, BST reading my mind, different times, and done and dusted. Still got no soluton for now?
Picture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:54:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 04:32:57 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:24:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:08:11 amPicture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking. Whatever, BST reading my mind, different times, and done and dusted. Still got no soluton for now?Go on then. Explain to me why you would have supported Czechoslovakia over the Sudetenland, rather than telling them to suck it up because people would get killed if they resist.This is about Ukraine. What is your idea for a solution there?You're doing an excellent job of showing your ignorance of history. There aren't many historians who think giving in to Hitler over the Sudetenland wasn't a catastrophic error. Because imperial dictators don't say "Thanks very much, I'll stop now" when you show weakness to them. If you really can't see the lesson there for the current conflict, no amount of me spelling it out is going to help you.And of course you miss the real moral issue here. When an independent country has been invaded by a brutal dictatorship, it isn't for someone living in comfort far away to tell them to stop fighting and give in to what the dictator wants. It is for them to decide. And for everyone else in the world to choose which side they are on.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 05:23:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:54:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 04:32:57 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:24:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:08:11 amPicture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking. Whatever, BST reading my mind, different times, and done and dusted. Still got no soluton for now?Go on then. Explain to me why you would have supported Czechoslovakia over the Sudetenland, rather than telling them to suck it up because people would get killed if they resist.This is about Ukraine. What is your idea for a solution there?You're doing an excellent job of showing your ignorance of history. There aren't many historians who think giving in to Hitler over the Sudetenland wasn't a catastrophic error. Because imperial dictators don't say "Thanks very much, I'll stop now" when you show weakness to them. If you really can't see the lesson there for the current conflict, no amount of me spelling it out is going to help you.And of course you miss the real moral issue here. When an independent country has been invaded by a brutal dictatorship, it isn't for someone living in comfort far away to tell them to stop fighting and give in to what the dictator wants. It is for them to decide. And for everyone else in the world to choose which side they are on.Up to them, presumably the Ukraine government, to decide. Which is currently a firm"no deals" and "please give us more weapons, fund our war" directed at the UK and US particularly. Fair enough, so like others here, you're backing the decision to ensure that tens/hundreds of thousands more will die. And you're approving of more hardship, even starvation and death from cold, for millions worldwide, hardship for poorer people, profits for those with investments in fuel, arms and so on.Interesting pitting that against your passionate covid stance where you were in favour of saving lives and here you're in favour of death.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:54:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 04:32:57 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2022, 04:24:16 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 31, 2022, 11:08:11 amPicture BRR's take in the 1930s.How can you possibly suggest that we should take a stand against Hitler invading the Sudetenland? There are ethnic German people there. Hitler has a right to push back against encroachment. People will die if there's fighting.How can you possibly say we should fight to stop Hitler invading Poland? The Poles have some very right wing people in charge. Hitler has a right to re-establish control over Danzig. If we fight, tens of thousands of people will die. How can you possibly argue that we should take a stand against Hitler invading:BelgiumNorwayNetherlandsFranceRomaniaYugoslaviaGreeceSoviet Union.The lack of understanding of the lessons of history is breathtaking. Whatever, BST reading my mind, different times, and done and dusted. Still got no soluton for now?Go on then. Explain to me why you would have supported Czechoslovakia over the Sudetenland, rather than telling them to suck it up because people would get killed if they resist.This is about Ukraine. What is your idea for a solution there?You're doing an excellent job of showing your ignorance of history. There aren't many historians who think giving in to Hitler over the Sudetenland wasn't a catastrophic error. Because imperial dictators don't say "Thanks very much, I'll stop now" when you show weakness to them. If you really can't see the lesson there for the current conflict, no amount of me spelling it out is going to help you.And of course you miss the real moral issue here. When an independent country has been invaded by a brutal dictatorship, it isn't for someone living in comfort far away to tell them to stop fighting and give in to what the dictator wants. It is for them to decide. And for everyone else in the world to choose which side they are on.
Fuel prices have gone up because Putin has shut off supply.Food prices have gone up because Putin threatens to sink grain ships leaving Ukraine.And you say the fault lies with people fighting like f**k to get an evil dictator our of their land, and with the people who support them. You want fuel prices down? Fuel prices come down immediately if Putin gets the f**k out of Ukraine and opens the taps.You want food prices down? Food prices come down immediately if Putin gets the f**k out of Ukraine and allows cargo ships safe passage through the Black Sea.You are an apologist for an utter Kitson. You are beyond reprehensible. I don't know whether you truly believe the shite you post, or you're simply a WUM, but either way, you're a disgrace.
I feel that if we give in to the inconvenience all of this causes then it sets a precedent for Putin to just keep moving west.
Quote from: ncRover on November 01, 2022, 08:35:21 amI feel that if we give in to the inconvenience all of this causes then it sets a precedent for Putin to just keep moving west.On the other hand, Ukraine wins and we have a precedent for NATO/US to keep moving east.Both power blocks are bad, both support greedy gangsters, both are expansionist though the US one is evidently far far more so.
So, you - BST, BobJim, Pie Eater - think the US would be okey dokily with the scenario I suggested? I hasten to add that a couple of missiles in Cuba didn't go down too well, and that's not even adjacent to the US.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2022, 02:02:53 pmSo, you - BST, BobJim, Pie Eater - think the US would be okey dokily with the scenario I suggested? I hasten to add that a couple of missiles in Cuba didn't go down too well, and that's not even adjacent to the US.You didn't answer my question, BRR. And I did make it an easy one for you.
I see that Vlad isnow visiting junior schools to give brainwashing lectures
Rumours that Russia is fleeing Kherson. And also concern that it may be a trap to lure the Ukranians in:https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1588103347709558785
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 01, 2022, 07:34:24 pmQuote from: ncRover on November 01, 2022, 08:35:21 amI feel that if we give in to the inconvenience all of this causes then it sets a precedent for Putin to just keep moving west.On the other hand, Ukraine wins and we have a precedent for NATO/US to keep moving east.Both power blocks are bad, both support greedy gangsters, both are expansionist though the US one is evidently far far more so.Yes the US have done bad things in the past, but this situation is simple. If you don’t stand up for yourself or your allies, someone will come in and take advantage and exploit you. I’m confident you’d rather live in the US/UK than Russia, no?
Quote from: ncRover on November 04, 2022, 11:47:53 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 01, 2022, 07:34:24 pmQuote from: ncRover on November 01, 2022, 08:35:21 amI feel that if we give in to the inconvenience all of this causes then it sets a precedent for Putin to just keep moving west.On the other hand, Ukraine wins and we have a precedent for NATO/US to keep moving east.Both power blocks are bad, both support greedy gangsters, both are expansionist though the US one is evidently far far more so.Yes the US have done bad things in the past, but this situation is simple. If you don’t stand up for yourself or your allies, someone will come in and take advantage and exploit you. I’m confident you’d rather live in the US/UK than Russia, no?He wouldn’t be able to spout things about the Mother nation if he was Russian and lived in Russia, he lucky to have the freedom to talk shit and support the aggressor in the Country