Ukraine

[BillyStubbsTears]

Your logic is like a husband viciously beating his wife night after night. Giving her black eyes. Breaking bones. Then the first time she slaps him back, jumping in and saying, "SEE! I told you she was violent."

It's REALLY f**king easy. Russia gets out of the sovereign country it invaded, and stops indiscriminately bombing cities hundreds of miles from the front, and the violence stops.

Bothsidesing this is beyond disgusting.

[Filo]

Your logic there justifies NATO/Ukraine war crimes. Why so caught up in promoting the fake virtues of one side? Isn't that just a bit arse licky?

You should be ashamed of your comments

[Bristol Red Rover]

Your logic is like a husband viciously beating his wife night after night. Giving her black eyes. Breaking bones. Then the first time she slaps him back, jumping in and saying, "SEE! I told you she was violent."

It's REALLY f**king easy. Russia gets out of the sovereign country it invaded, and stops indiscriminately bombing cities hundreds of miles from the front, and the violence stops.

Bothsidesing this is beyond disgusting.

So you approve of the US/NATO intervention?

There's no husband and wife in this. Poor analogy. Plus pitiful playing up the man beat up woman line. You calling Ukes girls? Are you saying this is a domestic? If so, are you saying there's no third party? Come on, use those braincells.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I approve of what the people of Ukraine want.

They want EU membership so they are not economically controlled by Moscow.

They want NATO membership so they will no longer have to fear their cities being flattened and their kids carried off by a fascist thug.

What do YOU want?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Bristol, my Ukrainian colleague is a wife, she has a family too who spend their lives in fear of russian soldiers turning up or a bomb landing on their bed in their sleep.  There are many husband and wives in this who didn't ask for it.  Just like the parents of children whose children were taking to Russia against their will.

Go and tell them it's all NATO's fault. Oh and whilst you're at it why not move to the great country of Russia?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tell you what BRR.

Defend this


https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1664372897387823105

Happening night after night. Zero military justification, even IF the overall war was justified.

Just a continuous attempt to crush and terrorise civilians.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Putin needs to realise that the solution to his war is not rocket scientists.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158333564813326

[Bristol Red Rover]

Why did the US and UK scupper peace talks well over a year ago?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Tell you what BRR.

Defend this


https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1664372897387823105

Happening night after night. Zero military justification, even IF the overall war was justified.

Just a continuous attempt to crush and terrorise civilians.

Defend what?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Putin needs to realise that the solution to his war is not rocket scientists.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158333564813326

What should Biden think is the solution to his war?

[Filo]

Putin needs to realise that the solution to his war is not rocket scientists.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158333564813326

What should Biden think is the solution to his war?

Probably the same as the rest of the free world, retreat to within his own borders

[Bristol Red Rover]

Bristol, my Ukrainian colleague is a wife, she has a family too who spend their lives in fear of russian soldiers turning up or a bomb landing on their bed in their sleep.  There are many husband and wives in this who didn't ask for it.  Just like the parents of children whose children were taking to Russia against their will.

Go and tell them it's all NATO's fault. Oh and whilst you're at it why not move to the great country of Russia?

No, its not all NATOs fault, but they significantly contributed to the start of this war, albeit mainly the US with it's NATO cloak. To think it's only the Russians who caused this is naïve at best. To think that Ukraine hasn't been shelling civilians for many years is foolish. The propaganda screw in Ukraine is turned up high, people arrested for even posting videos of rocket attacks. Trust Zelensky any more than trusting Putin is just daft.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Putin needs to realise that the solution to his war is not rocket scientists.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158333564813326

What should Biden think is the solution to his war?

Probably the same as the rest of the free world, retreat to within his own borders

But Biden has fuelled this war, massively. This war has been a US aim for decades. Biden could pull back all his arms and "advisors" behind his borders, as you suggest, and broker a peace, but he, as a puppet, is doing the opposite.

[Filo]

Putin needs to realise that the solution to his war is not rocket scientists.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1662158333564813326

What should Biden think is the solution to his war?

Probably the same as the rest of the free world, retreat to within his own borders

But Biden has fuelled this war, massively. This war has been a US aim for decades. Biden could pull back all his arms and "advisors" behind his borders, as you suggest, and broker a peace, but he, as a puppet, is doing the opposite.

pulling western arms out of Ukraine gives Putin a free pass, you’re not that stupid I’m sure

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here it comes.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I just wonder once again whether June 6 will be a significant date in history.

Huge responsibility on Zelensky's shoulders to press the go button. The future on his nation and lives of his citizens rests on getting the timing right. I think they need to be satisfied they can suppress sufficient Russian artillery to be able to make significant and decisive break throughs

I had to laugh yesterday following the incursions into Russian territory of the Russian Volunteer force, they managed to broadcast on local radio there will be a local referendum to determine if the locals wanted to be absorbed into Ukraine.  A brilliant windup.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I think the answer is yes Baz. Hard to see how it's not the Russians blowing up that dam.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just bestial. This is Putin the low grade thug. This is what he does. He's an animal.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I think the answer is yes Baz. Hard to see how it's not the Russians blowing up that dam.

It was already known the Russians had wired up explosives on the dam last year with quite a few articles at the time on the effect of flood damage including potentially doing more harm to Russian held territory.

We can only assume the vandal has conceded this territory including Crimea will be lost and hopes this act will slow up the Ukranian advance and just add to the list of wanton destruction

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Russian disinformation campaign would be laughable if this wasn't so serious.

This from the BBC.
"Early this morning, the messaging out of Moscow seemed confused. One report by the state-owned Tass news agency quoted the Moscow-appointed mayor in Nova Kakhovka (where the dam was breached) as saying: “Everything’s quiet and peaceful. There’s nothing going on here at all.”"

He only had to add "I don't even know what water is. What IS water mate?" to rival the comic genius of Bottom.

https://youtu.be/v5p-YQkbe_s?t=96

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, this from the BBC also.
"They (the Kremlin) linked the alleged attack to Kyiv's counter-offensive, which Moscow claims is “faltering.” Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed it was a tactic to provide cover for Ukraine to redeploy units for offensive operations."

I've seen a professor of War Studies today note that he is unaware of any use in the entire history of humanity  of deliberate flooding of a battlefield by a force about to launch an attack. He notes that there are many examples of this being done to try to prevent or slow an attack.

But Russia still want to claim that Ukraine did this.

[mushRTID]

Utter scum, it is unbelievable.
I haven’t posted in here as I don’t feel knowledgeable enough about something so serious.

But surely that big Russian bridge is now fair game to blow to pieces.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Utter scum, it is unbelievable.
I haven’t posted in here as I don’t feel knowledgeable enough about something so serious.

But surely that big Russian bridge is now fair game to blow to pieces.

Might not need to use expensive ordnance on it.

https://medium.com/@snowythefirst/the-kerch-straits-road-bridge-concrete-supports-for-one-span-have-just-cracked-in-half-e5b7f2b95255

[BillyStubbsTears]

Unfortunately, it's all too believable.

It's what Putin does. He picks his wars against enemies that he thinks he can batter into submission. And his main tactic is to flatten the infrastructure of his adversary. Indiscriminate destruction.

 Look at what he did in Grozhy. And in Aleppo. And now in Kherson.

 And there are still f**king idiots out there who think that if Ukraine gives in, Putin won't try to do this to Warsaw and Prague and,,,

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

From sky...

The Russian government published a decree banning authorities from investigating accidents at hydrotechnical structures on 30 May - one week before the dam breach.

It specifies probes may not be conducted into "accidents" resulting from "military actions, sabotage and terrorist acts" until 2028.

The document related to the Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

A translation of the document states: "Until 1 January, 2028, the technical investigation of accidents at dangerous production facilities and accidents of hydrotechnical structures, which occurred as a result of military actions, sabotage and terrorist acts, will not be conducted."


Add to this the highering of the water level over the past two weeks and it's blatantly obvious what's happened.  Madness.

[wilts rover]

Whilst the destruction of the dam has caused huge damage to the north of the river, it has actually caused greater damage to the southern, Russian occupied side. Reports that their stores & fortifications are under water and the troops are in a blind panic.

Seems they underestimated the force of water they were unleasing - and forgot that their bank is lower than the Ukrainian side.

https://twitter.com/AleksandrX13/status/1665985163547877377

[Filo]

Experts are saying no artillery shell in the World could have done that much damage, everything points towards the Russians

[DonnyBazR0ver]

As said, it was well known the Russians had wired the dam in preparation for the first counteroffensive to cover their retreat and of course, to cause the maximum amount of devastation in their wake.

It's also thought they have planted explosives on the dam the holds the water for the cooling ponds at the nuclear power plant.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Whilst the destruction of the dam has caused huge damage to the north of the river, it has actually caused greater damage to the southern, Russian occupied side. Reports that their stores & fortifications are under water and the troops are in a blind panic.

Seems they underestimated the force of water they were unleasing - and forgot that their bank is lower than the Ukrainian side.

https://twitter.com/AleksandrX13/status/1665985163547877377

Which does suggest that its not all clear that Russia did it. On balance, and especially looking at who benefits, it would appear Russia would be the most likely. However, a benefit to Ukraine is lowering the river upstream to make crossing it easier. They have been continually trying to for several months and lost a lot of troops in the process. That, and Ukraine apparently wanting to attack it with mines last year to trap Russians suggests its not as black and white as the pro western media try to say.

[Bristol Red Rover]

As said, it was well known the Russians had wired the dam in preparation for the first counteroffensive to cover their retreat and of course, to cause the maximum amount of devastation in their wake.

It's also thought they have planted explosives on the dam the holds the water for the cooling ponds at the nuclear power plant.

Note 5 of the 6 reactors are shut down completely, no cooling needed. The 6th is still cooling somewhat and whilst it still needs to cool further, it's close to done.