Ukraine

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, the Kremlin has told Wagner troops that they are required to be transferred to standard Russian army units. Prigozhin has insisted this won't happen. Fun times ahead.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Russians able to redeploy troops from Kherson area due to reduced risk of offensive, in the flooded area, to reinforce the other area where the counteroffensive has started.. Russia has the advantage being dug in and covered by artillery so air support is much needed to wipe those positions out.

[wilts rover]

Russians able to redeploy troops from Kherson area due to reduced risk of offensive, in the flooded area, to reinforce the other area where the counteroffensive has started.. Russia has the advantage being dug in and covered by artillery so air support is much needed to wipe those positions out.

They can redeploy all the troops they like if they have no way of supplying them. 20km of those dug in positions have been wiped out. And the Ukranians are heading for the main defensive line fairly rapidly:

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1667940048699011072

[Bristol Red Rover]

It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.

From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?

[ravenrover]

Whatever he puts will be way lower that any figure you come up with

[wilts rover]

It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.

From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?

First it was a 'diastarous offensive' now there are just 'small units'. No idea how much kit Ukraine has lost to these 'small units' that were quickly over-run. Certainly not enough to stop them gaining 100sqkm in 3 days. How many troops, vehicles, tanks, ammo + supply depots has Russia lost?

[danumdon]

It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.

From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?

Because you obviously feel you already know this information why don't we make it a bit more interesting and add the Russian losses over the same period.

What do we end up with? is it a net loss or gain in the Ukraine forces favour, in your own time.

[ravenrover]

It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.

From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?

First it was a 'diastarous offensive' now there are just 'small units'. No idea how much kit Ukraine has lost to these 'small units' that were quickly over-run. Certainly not enough to stop them gaining 100sqkm in 3 days. How many troops, vehicles, tanks, ammo + supply depots has Russia lost?

It'll be far less than anyone else thinks

[wilts rover]

Russian troops mining factories in occupied Crimea.

Clearly they think this is a bit more than a 'disastarous offensive' if they are planning to blow up the local infrastructure (including the a factory holding 200 tons of ammonia). The only reason to do that is because they believe they will loose this ground & dont want Ukraine to have them:

https://twitter.com/DionisCenusa/status/1668226783265554433

[Filo]

NATO should make it clear that there will be grave consequences should any ammonia fall out land in a member Country

[danumdon]

Russian troops mining factories in occupied Crimea.

Clearly they think this is a bit more than a 'disastarous offensive' if they are planning to blow up the local infrastructure (including the a factory holding 200 tons of ammonia). The only reason to do that is because they believe they will loose this ground & dont want Ukraine to have them:

https://twitter.com/DionisCenusa/status/1668226783265554433

The Russians did the same thing during WW2 when they thought they were in the process of being overrun by the Nazis. burnt and destroyed any and all manufacturing and agriculture as they retreated into the interior.

It took them decades to start to recoup all these losses and but for the Soviet collapse in 89 they would still to this day be mortally damaged economically.

Seems they've decide to wish to commit virtual suicide again, only this time they wont have the luxury of flogging  energy to a waiting West but have to scope out every despot and crank nation to sell too at a massive loss.

Suppose it will only hasten the time when the Nation will finally stand up for itself against a deluded despot, it will happen, eventually.

[ravenrover]

Crackpot nations who in turn make a profit selling it on mmmmm!

[danumdon]

If the buyers of Putins energy are selling it on at a profit then that's a failure of a Weak west in ensuring its sanctions are adhered to throughout the world. The fact that European nations may be involved makes this doubly problematic for an organisation that talks from both sides of its face, usually at the same time.

The fact that at this moment in time Putin is failing to capitalise in these "profits" is just another kick in the knackers for the ailing despot.

[Bristol Red Rover]

It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.

From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?

First it was a 'diastarous offensive' now there are just 'small units'. No idea how much kit Ukraine has lost to these 'small units' that were quickly over-run. Certainly not enough to stop them gaining 100sqkm in 3 days. How many troops, vehicles, tanks, ammo + supply depots has Russia lost?

Probs not a fraction of Ukraine's losses, unless you're counting the drones that killed the Leopards. So you haven't a clue then. And gained three small villages so far. Not nearly at the first line of defence anyway.

[wilts rover]

It appears that one unit of Russians in the NW of that area could have problems with supply or could get cut off, but otherwise there's no issue. These forward troops are relatively small units spotting Ukraine troop movements, guiding drones, equipped with atgm.

From your sources WR, over the last week, how many troops, vehicles, tanks incl. Leopards do you think Ukraine has lost?

First it was a 'diastarous offensive' now there are just 'small units'. No idea how much kit Ukraine has lost to these 'small units' that were quickly over-run. Certainly not enough to stop them gaining 100sqkm in 3 days. How many troops, vehicles, tanks, ammo + supply depots has Russia lost?

Probs not a fraction of Ukraine's losses, unless you're counting the drones that killed the Leopards. So you haven't a clue then. And gained three small villages so far. Not nearly at the first line of defence anyway.

I think you will find when you wrote that post it was 5 villages. It is now 7 (maybe 8?) - in this 'disasterous offensive'.

[ravenrover]

Trouble is there's nothing left of the villages they are re taking, just rubble

[Sprotyrover]

It has become a “MEAT GRINDER “ Russians have dug in which was always the Fait Accompli  strategy,  Ukraine should negotiate a Peace and the West use Sanctions as a negotiating tool!

[Colin C No.3]

It has become a “MEAT GRINDER “ Russians have dug in which was always the Fait Accompli  strategy,  Ukraine should negotiate a Peace and the West use Sanctions as a negotiating tool!

No way has Ukraine come so far & endured so much to even contemplate that scenario.

I remember a piece from a Ukraine frontline commander sometime in April who said “This isn’t about Putin or Levensky, if they looked to broker a peace tomorrow we, we here on the frontline would ignore them & fight on because for ‘us’, this killing & dying is about retrieving & securing our land & borders for our children & their children”.

These people will literally fight to the death to regain the land Russia invaded & occupied.

How can you not feel humbled by such a cause.

[Sprotyrover]

It has become a “MEAT GRINDER “ Russians have dug in which was always the Fait Accompli  strategy,  Ukraine should negotiate a Peace and the West use Sanctions as a negotiating tool!

No way has Ukraine come so far & endured so much to even contemplate that scenario.

I remember a piece from a Ukraine frontline commander sometime in April who said “This isn’t about Putin or Levensky, if they looked to broker a peace tomorrow we, we here on the frontline would ignore them & fight on because for ‘us’, this killing & dying is about retrieving & securing our land & borders for our children & their children”.

These people will literally fight to the death to regain the land Russia invaded & occupied.

How can you not feel humbled by such a cause.

Because it will be a pointless loss of a great number of lives, they will never re take the Donbas and Western countries are going to curtail funding in the near future

[Colin C No.3]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

[Sprotyrover]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

[BillyStubbsTears]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

A tiny bit of context.

The lost productivity growth we have had since the Austerity disaster tots up to about £2trn.

If you want to support Russia, be a big boy, stand up and support Russia.

Don't hide behind shit arguments like this.

[Bristol Red Rover]

"shit arguments". Rather than moving to potty mouthisms you could point out the cost to the economy of the fuel crisis caused by the half baked sanctions, the cost of so many other aspects of this war to the economy and individuals,  the cost of Boris Johnson going over to Kyiv to scupper the peace process.

The cost has been massive,  and that cost goes on and on. Its a militarist, establishment, killing people argument you put BST,  you're siding with war and aggression not peace.

[Filo]

"shit arguments". Rather than moving to potty mouthisms you could point out the cost to the economy of the fuel crisis caused by the half baked sanctions, the cost of so many other aspects of this war to the economy and individuals,  the cost of Boris Johnson going over to Kyiv to scupper the peace process.

The cost has been massive,  and that cost goes on and on. Its a militarist, establishment, killing people argument you put BST,  you're siding with war and aggression not peace.

Remind who the aggressor is, who invaded a sovereign Country?

[Sprotyrover]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

A tiny bit of context.

The lost productivity growth we have had since the Austerity disaster tots up to about £2trn.

If you want to support Russia, be a big boy, stand up and support Russia.

Don't hide behind shit arguments like this.

OH dear  Billy !,,

[i_ateallthepies]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?

[Sprotyrover]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?

Ha my dear departed Farther in law counted everything in Pints of Beer, I am merely using Hospitals

[wilts rover]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?

Ha my dear departed Farther in law counted everything in Pints of Beer, I am merely using Hospitals

Or around half an aircraft carrier (without aircraft) or half a Dreadnought submarine (2016 prices).

[Sprotyrover]

The only Western Country I know of that would curtail funding the Ukrainian war would be a Donald Trump led USA.

Well the UK has given £4.8 billion, that 6 new Hospitals down the pan!
You can’t slag the Government off whilst we have a blood vein open!

Is that hospitals that weren't really going to be built or existing ones on the list for a makeover?

Ha my dear departed Farther in law counted everything in Pints of Beer, I am merely using Hospitals

Or around half an aircraft carrier (without aircraft) or half a Dreadnought submarine (2016 prices).

Approx 50 Tornado Jet Fighters! Oh by the way have we replenished the MOD stockpile since a great chunk of it was gifted to the Ukraine.

[Bristol Red Rover]

"shit arguments". Rather than moving to potty mouthisms you could point out the cost to the economy of the fuel crisis caused by the half baked sanctions, the cost of so many other aspects of this war to the economy and individuals,  the cost of Boris Johnson going over to Kyiv to scupper the peace process.

The cost has been massive,  and that cost goes on and on. Its a militarist, establishment, killing people argument you put BST,  you're siding with war and aggression not peace.

Remind who the aggressor is, who invaded a sovereign Country?

Who was killing who within their own country?