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Quote from: River Don on August 26, 2023, 11:12:17 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 26, 2023, 10:48:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 26, 2023, 10:34:41 amHere's a question.Why on earth WOULD Ukraine spend time and effort and resources killing Prigozhin?Media good feeling. They hate him. Much propaganda about him instructing troops not to take prisoners ie shoot them. Some truth in that maybe, but Ukraine milked it, so gonna be good to kill him. Obviously. Mmm. It all sounds a bit desperate doesn't it BRR?What is it about the regime of Putin you admire?It's simple school playground level politics of the Far Left. Putin is against the EU and America. Therefore he shouldn't be strongly criticised.It's "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff. Allows them to conveniently ignore what a monster Putin is.Corbyn's lot had a similar approach. When Assad gassed Syrians and Putin flattened Aleppo, the line from Corbyn's advisers was "Don't overplay this because it will take attention off the crimes of the West."Absolutely idiotic, but the Far Left has been shot through with this stupidity for a century.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 26, 2023, 10:48:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 26, 2023, 10:34:41 amHere's a question.Why on earth WOULD Ukraine spend time and effort and resources killing Prigozhin?Media good feeling. They hate him. Much propaganda about him instructing troops not to take prisoners ie shoot them. Some truth in that maybe, but Ukraine milked it, so gonna be good to kill him. Obviously. Mmm. It all sounds a bit desperate doesn't it BRR?What is it about the regime of Putin you admire?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 26, 2023, 10:34:41 amHere's a question.Why on earth WOULD Ukraine spend time and effort and resources killing Prigozhin?Media good feeling. They hate him. Much propaganda about him instructing troops not to take prisoners ie shoot them. Some truth in that maybe, but Ukraine milked it, so gonna be good to kill him. Obviously.
Here's a question.Why on earth WOULD Ukraine spend time and effort and resources killing Prigozhin?
Quote from: River Don on August 26, 2023, 11:12:17 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 26, 2023, 10:48:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 26, 2023, 10:34:41 amHere's a question.Why on earth WOULD Ukraine spend time and effort and resources killing Prigozhin?Media good feeling. They hate him. Much propaganda about him instructing troops not to take prisoners ie shoot them. Some truth in that maybe, but Ukraine milked it, so gonna be good to kill him. Obviously. Mmm. It all sounds a bit desperate doesn't it BRR?What is it about the regime of Putin you admire?I've got a sneaky feeling it's when he rides around bare chested and bare back riding a horse
Quote from: River Don on August 26, 2023, 11:12:17 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 26, 2023, 10:48:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 26, 2023, 10:34:41 amHere's a question.Why on earth WOULD Ukraine spend time and effort and resources killing Prigozhin?Media good feeling. They hate him. Much propaganda about him instructing troops not to take prisoners ie shoot them. Some truth in that maybe, but Ukraine milked it, so gonna be good to kill him. Obviously. Mmm. It all sounds a bit desperate doesn't it BRR?What is it about the regime of Putin you admire?It's simple school playground level politics of the Far Left. Putin is against the EU and America. Therefore he shouldn't be strongly criticised.It's "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff. Allows them to conveniently ignore what a monster Putin is.Corbyn's lot had a similar approach. When Assad gassed Syrians and Putin flattened Aleppo, the line from Corbyn's advisers was "Don't overplay this because it will take attention off the crimes of the West."Absolutely idiotic, but the Far Left has been shot through with this stupidity for a century.
Quote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?
This is quite a good piece on the state of play regarding ammo. Apparently the rate of fire has been falling off for both sides.https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/04/05/when-will-ammunition-shortage-silence-russias-artillery/?sh=24aa509d6d95Obviously as a western media source it can't be trusted.It is thought Russia has been supplied with additional ammo from Iran and North Korea. And since Russia is a dictatorship, Putin can order manufacturers to go into producing ammo for the state.All this must be pretty ruinous for the Russian economy though.
Quote from: River Don on August 27, 2023, 07:11:02 pmThis is quite a good piece on the state of play regarding ammo. Apparently the rate of fire has been falling off for both sides.https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/04/05/when-will-ammunition-shortage-silence-russias-artillery/?sh=24aa509d6d95Obviously as a western media source it can't be trusted.It is thought Russia has been supplied with additional ammo from Iran and North Korea. And since Russia is a dictatorship, Putin can order manufacturers to go into producing ammo for the state.All this must be pretty ruinous for the Russian economy though.Forbes "5 Leopard 2s detroyed, 10 damaged and being repaired"https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/28/in-13-weeks-ukraine-has-lost-just-five-of-its-71-leopard-2-tanks/Here, evidence of 35 damaged/destroyed.https://twitter.com/GeoTrackDK/status/1695752894107041823
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative.
Quote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 27, 2023, 06:55:22 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative. For balance I provide one side of an argument.Hmmmm....
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative.
Quote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?
The madness of Pride eh?The low grade street corner thug in the Kremlin genuinely thought he could give his neighbour a kicking in a few days. When his neighbour smacked him back, his poor, pathetic ego was so hurt he's incapable of doing the sensible thing. So this grinds on, chewing up and spitting out more lives and money. Because the man-child in the Kremlin cannot face losing face. Whatever the cost to his own people.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 31, 2023, 06:35:24 pmQuote from: River Don on August 27, 2023, 07:11:02 pmThis is quite a good piece on the state of play regarding ammo. Apparently the rate of fire has been falling off for both sides.https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/04/05/when-will-ammunition-shortage-silence-russias-artillery/?sh=24aa509d6d95Obviously as a western media source it can't be trusted.It is thought Russia has been supplied with additional ammo from Iran and North Korea. And since Russia is a dictatorship, Putin can order manufacturers to go into producing ammo for the state.All this must be pretty ruinous for the Russian economy though.Forbes "5 Leopard 2s detroyed, 10 damaged and being repaired"https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/28/in-13-weeks-ukraine-has-lost-just-five-of-its-71-leopard-2-tanks/Here, evidence of 35 damaged/destroyed.https://twitter.com/GeoTrackDK/status/1695752894107041823I've looked at that a few times now yet still fail to see how that is evidence of 35 damaged or destroyed.The Ukrainians admit that 5 have been destroyed and another 10 hit but being repaired.Can you see something that I can't?
Quote from: River Don on August 27, 2023, 07:11:02 pmThis is quite a good piece on the state of play regarding ammo. Apparently the rate of fire has been falling off for both sides.https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/04/05/when-will-ammunition-shortage-silence-russias-artillery/?sh=24aa509d6d95Obviously as a western media source it can't be trusted.It is thought Russia has been supplied with additional ammo from Iran and North Korea. And since Russia is a dictatorship, Putin can order manufacturers to go into producing ammo for the state.All this must be pretty ruinous for the Russian economy though.Forbes "5 Leopard 2s detroyed, 10 damaged and being repaired"https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/28/in-13-weeks-ukraine-has-lost-just-five-of-its-71-leopard-2-tanks/Here, evidence of 35 damaged/destroyed.https://twitter.com/GeoTrackDK/status/1695752894107041823
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 31, 2023, 09:56:53 pmThe madness of Pride eh?The low grade street corner thug in the Kremlin genuinely thought he could give his neighbour a kicking in a few days. When his neighbour smacked him back, his poor, pathetic ego was so hurt he's incapable of doing the sensible thing. So this grinds on, chewing up and spitting out more lives and money. Because the man-child in the Kremlin cannot face losing face. Whatever the cost to his own people. Such a pathetic weak tabloid narrative that focuses on the man in this instance, not to mention the western powers that were about to encroach on Russias borders.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 31, 2023, 10:34:09 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 31, 2023, 09:56:53 pmThe madness of Pride eh?The low grade street corner thug in the Kremlin genuinely thought he could give his neighbour a kicking in a few days. When his neighbour smacked him back, his poor, pathetic ego was so hurt he's incapable of doing the sensible thing. So this grinds on, chewing up and spitting out more lives and money. Because the man-child in the Kremlin cannot face losing face. Whatever the cost to his own people. Such a pathetic weak tabloid narrative that focuses on the man in this instance, not to mention the western powers that were about to encroach on Russias borders.Could anybody in their right mind think that NATO would ever invade Russia?The cost in human lives and materials would be prohibitive and the UN would never have backed it happening.
Quote from: wilts rover on August 31, 2023, 08:53:18 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 27, 2023, 06:55:22 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative. For balance I provide one side of an argument.Hmmmm....I referred to one sode where it was said Russia would run out of shells, missiles etc a year ago (or so), and the obvious is that they haven't. What point are you making?See also the post re Forbes - I gave the link to tanks destroyed etc. Make your own conclusion, including whether or not Forbes is promoting a misleading pro western perspective or not.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 27, 2023, 06:55:22 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative. For balance I provide one side of an argument.Hmmmm....
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative.
Quote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 31, 2023, 10:27:06 pmQuote from: wilts rover on August 31, 2023, 08:53:18 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 27, 2023, 06:55:22 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative. For balance I provide one side of an argument.Hmmmm....I referred to one sode where it was said Russia would run out of shells, missiles etc a year ago (or so), and the obvious is that they haven't. What point are you making?See also the post re Forbes - I gave the link to tanks destroyed etc. Make your own conclusion, including whether or not Forbes is promoting a misleading pro western perspective or not.The point I am making is that you are not providing balance in your posts - despite you saying you are providing balance in your posts.
Quote from: wilts rover on August 31, 2023, 08:53:18 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 27, 2023, 06:55:22 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative. For balance I provide one side of an argument.Hmmmm....I referred to one sode where it was said Russia would run out of shells, missiles etc a year ago (or so), and the obvious is that they haven't. What point are you making?See also the post re Forbes - I gave the link to tanks destroyed etc. Make your own conclusion, including whether or not Forbes is promoting a misleading pro western perspective or not.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on August 27, 2023, 06:55:22 pmQuote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative. For balance I provide one side of an argument.Hmmmm....
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on August 27, 2023, 04:48:24 pmQuote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?Are you agreeing with what I said with BST?I'm always interested in all angles, and have been stating the ones that tend not to be on the side of the one sided western media narrative for balance.As a very obvious example, many here referred to Russia running out of ammo from the early days, over a year ago, as per the Western media narrative/propaganda - that hasn't happened has it? Indeed Ukraine's lack of ammo is more of an issue. Resupplies for Ukraine are cited, but not the crucial detail of them being mainly in the distant future. One reason why the US has escalated things with supplying from its stocks of cluster shells - there wasn't an alternative.
Quote: "someone who conveniently takes one side of an argument, sticks religiously to it, and ignores anything contrary to his dictate"Can you think of any other frequent poster on this thread BRR, who does the above?
In the next 50 or 100 years, NATO forces will not set a toe end in Russia.Claiming that as a casus belli for Putin's thuggish aggression is simply disgusting. It's the result of a mind scrambled by Kremlin propaganda.
BRRDo you actually think Putin is actually in anyway a socialist? I must confess, your stance on all this is incomprehensible to me.
To be honest with you BRR I can't fathom your stance. So you admire Putin? Is that it?You acknowledge he's a brute but he's a more succesful brute, or a more intelligent brute. And you admire that?It's quite an impassioned defence of just another mafia Don isn't it?
I've given this sometime and I have to admit BRR, I don't think you're answer really cuts it.I think there must be something more but you don't feel able to share it. Without a coherent response it's very difficult to understand your point of view.
Quote from: River Don on September 02, 2023, 06:17:41 pmTo be honest with you BRR I can't fathom your stance. So you admire Putin? Is that it?You acknowledge he's a brute but he's a more succesful brute, or a more intelligent brute. And you admire that?It's quite an impassioned defence of just another mafia Don isn't it?No where did I say I admired him. That's in your head. I acknowledge his intellect etc but as I clearly said, and ignored, he's one more mafiosa boss, along with so so many others. He's less of an obvious shallow figurehead for stringpullers than the likes of Biden, Sunak, and especially Zelensky etc. That doesn't make me "admire" him. There's plenty of in your face bullies in this world, they're all scum.I think that will still leave you lost? Is your stuckness in the place of "if someone isn't buying the glorious Western freedom" or whatever, they must be supporting the enemies that the tabloids, the mass media tell us about daily. "Putin eats babies".