Ukraine

[River Don]

RD, ignoring what I post and playing Fox News sensationalism isnt communication as we know it, nor is it going to help you understand.

Just to be clear I don't know what platform I would need to see Fox News... But I can assure you the only broadcaster I pay money to is the BBC.

[River Don]

The main point here is even if the Ukrainians were dying on their knees in the dust... They are still worth supporting. if you are democratic.

Their biggest fear is an unscrupulous character like Trump will be elected, who will sell them out.

[SydneyRover]

''20 Days in Mariupol''

''US and UK holding UN screening of documentary on Russia’s siege of Ukrainian city of Mariupol''

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States and Britain have invited ambassadors, journalists and representatives of a broad spectrum of society to a U.N. screening of the award-winning documentary “20 Days in Mariupol,” which follows a trio of Associated Press journalists during Russia’s relentless siege of the Ukrainian port city in the early days of the war.

UK Ambassador Barbara Woodward said the Monday evening screening at U.N. headquarters is important because “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine threatens what the U.N. stands for: an international order where the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries is fundamental.”''

https://apnews.com/article/mariupol-documentary-un-russia-ukraine-screening-d3e0682d71718b469510ffa52da13236

[Not Now Kato]

This could be costly for Putin and a first got the UA
 
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1701774908403904799.html

[SydneyRover]

This could be costly for Putin and a first got the UA
 
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1701774908403904799.html

A Moscow spokes said 'there was a small fire in a waste bin and we have advised all port workers to take more care with their cigarette butts'

[Bristol Red Rover]

''20 Days in Mariupol''

''US and UK holding UN screening of documentary on Russia’s siege of Ukrainian city of Mariupol''

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States and Britain have invited ambassadors, journalists and representatives of a broad spectrum of society to a U.N. screening of the award-winning documentary “20 Days in Mariupol,” which follows a trio of Associated Press journalists during Russia’s relentless siege of the Ukrainian port city in the early days of the war.

UK Ambassador Barbara Woodward said the Monday evening screening at U.N. headquarters is important because “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine threatens what the U.N. stands for: an international order where the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries is fundamental.”''

https://apnews.com/article/mariupol-documentary-un-russia-ukraine-screening-d3e0682d71718b469510ffa52da13236

Do you think Woodward was also aware of the many invasions of international recognised borders the US and even the UK has waded through, and the sovereignty interfered with by the US? Has she been flown home yet?

Not seen the docu yet, but it is made by Ukrainians. Do you think they may have had a bias?

[Not Now Kato]

It seems the Russian 1430 Motorized Brigade with their state-of-the-art(?) T55 tanks, no longer exists. Near Robotyne, they encountered Ukrainian Leopard II tanks. In a mine-free area, the Leopards and the T55’s clashed and the T55’s were hit without having a chance to counter attack or even to fire back, according to PStyle01 on Twitter, (or X if you prefer the new name).

[glosterred]

''20 Days in Mariupol''

''US and UK holding UN screening of documentary on Russia’s siege of Ukrainian city of Mariupol''

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States and Britain have invited ambassadors, journalists and representatives of a broad spectrum of society to a U.N. screening of the award-winning documentary “20 Days in Mariupol,” which follows a trio of Associated Press journalists during Russia’s relentless siege of the Ukrainian port city in the early days of the war.

UK Ambassador Barbara Woodward said the Monday evening screening at U.N. headquarters is important because “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine threatens what the U.N. stands for: an international order where the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries is fundamental.”''

https://apnews.com/article/mariupol-documentary-un-russia-ukraine-screening-d3e0682d71718b469510ffa52da13236

Do you think Woodward was also aware of the many invasions of international recognised borders the US and even the UK has waded through, and the sovereignty interfered with by the US? Has she been flown home yet?

Not seen the docu yet, but it is made by Ukrainians. Do you think they may have had a bias?

Do you think if the Russians did one it wouldn’t be bias?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

A very interesting two part documentary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m001qh04/living-next-door-to-putin

Millions of lives around Europe and beyond affected by one paranoid dictator.

[ncRover]

A very interesting two part documentary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m001qh04/living-next-door-to-putin

Millions of lives around Europe and beyond affected by one paranoid dictator.

“pRoPaGaNdA”

[Bristol Red Rover]

''20 Days in Mariupol''

''US and UK holding UN screening of documentary on Russia’s siege of Ukrainian city of Mariupol''

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States and Britain have invited ambassadors, journalists and representatives of a broad spectrum of society to a U.N. screening of the award-winning documentary “20 Days in Mariupol,” which follows a trio of Associated Press journalists during Russia’s relentless siege of the Ukrainian port city in the early days of the war.

UK Ambassador Barbara Woodward said the Monday evening screening at U.N. headquarters is important because “Russia’s invasion of Ukraine threatens what the U.N. stands for: an international order where the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries is fundamental.”''

https://apnews.com/article/mariupol-documentary-un-russia-ukraine-screening-d3e0682d71718b469510ffa52da13236

Do you think Woodward was also aware of the many invasions of international recognised borders the US and even the UK has waded through, and the sovereignty interfered with by the US? Has she been flown home yet?

Not seen the docu yet, but it is made by Ukrainians. Do you think they may have had a bias?

Do you think if the Russians did one it wouldn’t be bias?

Probably. Sad you can't reply to a question without hiding.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Going back to March '22 and the Ankara peacxe agreement process with the Israeli Prime Minister and Turkish diplomats, engaged with by both Putin and Zelensky, and the German Chancellor and Biden.

Here Jeffrey Sachs said that an agreement had reached it's 7th draft when the US State Department intervened to stop it on the basis that they had decided it would show their weakness to China (re Taiwan issue). That puts an extra spin on things.

3 min vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDqrDCEIw0

[Bristol Red Rover]

For all those of you who like a bit of contrast to the sycophantic western media reguritations, this guy is interesting and has a fab sense of humour. Even that Billy bloke on here might like him 

https://www.youtube.com/@smoothieX12/

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Ukranian attack on the Russian navy at Sebastopol last week was quite breathtaking.

Basically means that, without a peace settlement that us acceptable to Ukraine, the Russians don't have a safe mooring for whatever is left of their Black Sea fleet.

And in parallel, as if to rub in the impotence of Russia, grain shipments from Ukrainian Black Sea ports have recommenced.

[Bristol Red Rover]

An interesting article from the NYT.

"Evidence Suggests Ukrainian Missile Caused Market Tragedy"
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html

Ukraine of course still denies it being their air defence malfunction. No doubt people here will still say this is still due to Russia invading - true enough, however it's important to know about the incidents that are considered as attacks on civilians.

From the BBC report, "President Zelensky has condemned a "deliberate" attack on Ukraine's "peaceful city" of Kostyantynivka...... Mr Zelensky described the attack as "utter inhumanity", while his wife Olena Zelenska said it showed "horrific cruelty".

[Bristol Red Rover]

Interesting to see the apparent sudden turns today re Poland's support for Ukraine - see BBC - partly due to elections coming up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66882161

There's similar in other countries. Maybe a blip, but I wonder in what way, and how quickly this whole situation could unravel? Russia likely to increase its action in coming months and with time passing Ukraine's bargaining chips look likely to be running lower.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Zelensky and Trudeau celebrating a Nazi in the Canadian House of Commons. Whoopsie!

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-a-nazi-being-cheered-in-the-house-of-commons-a-dark-day

[idler]

It seems that nobody, or almost nobody realised that he had fought against Russia for the Germans when they cheered him.
An own goal certainly but at least I imagine they will apologise now whereas Russia transmits falsities unashamedly on a regular basis insisting that it is the truth.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's not as simple as every person fighting fotlr Germany in the war was of the extreme persuasion some may twist it as.  Impossible to know his individual circumstance.

[Bristol Red Rover]

It's not as simple as every person fighting fotlr Germany in the war was of the extreme persuasion some may twist it as.  Impossible to know his individual circumstance.

Fighting for Hitler. Of course it could be said that he was brainwashed into that, just as these fans of FC Karpaty Lyiv were in 2013, with the banner of that Galician SS Division held high and proud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)#/media/File:SS-Galizien-Banner.jpg

I'm not saying all Ukraines are Nazis, of course they're not, but there are a lot who still give homage to Nazi and very right wings organisations. Much of the protests that kicked off all this Ukraine problem on the ground were, at best, heavily influenced by ultra right wingers where there is a long history of Nazi affiliation.

[ncRover]

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis?ssp=1&setlang=en-GB&safesearch=moderate

Far right groups got 2% of the vote in Ukraine so what is the relevance with this in terms of the invasion?

Or are you buying Putin’s “denazification campaign”?

[Bristol Red Rover]

It seems that nobody, or almost nobody realised that he had fought against Russia for the Germans when they cheered him.
An own goal certainly but at least I imagine they will apologise now whereas Russia transmits falsities unashamedly on a regular basis insisting that it is the truth.

They anounced him as fighting for Ukrainian independance against the Russians. I suppose it's possible no one realised it was the Nazis fighting the Russians - it was a long time ago.

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis?ssp=1&setlang=en-GB&safesearch=moderate

Far right groups got 2% of the vote in Ukraine so what is the relevance with this in terms of the invasion?

Or are you buying Putin’s “denazification campaign”?

It is argued that the far right did influence the demos - plenty of vids showing that - as well as are in parliament, mainstream parties. Then we saw the Azov troops. Anyway, that influenece is undoubedly there.

No, I don't see Ukraine as Nazi. It is run by gangsters, as is Russia and in a more paletable way, so is the Uk and US, and practically every nation. "Democracy" is about votes, not who is in power, who pulls the strings, who takes the wealth. Just because people vote for "Jo" rather than "Jim", doesn't mean they are getting "Jo" making the decisions, directing the policy. "Democracy" is a tool of the elite, the gangsters. Ukraine stands out in this way. It's sad that people the world over fall for this mush of crumbs thrown to the masses.

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis?ssp=1&setlang=en-GB&safesearch=moderate

Far right groups got 2% of the vote in Ukraine so what is the relevance with this in terms of the invasion?

Or are you buying Putin’s “denazification campaign”?

And using the ADL as a back up for anything? Really?

[ncRover]

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis?ssp=1&setlang=en-GB&safesearch=moderate

Far right groups got 2% of the vote in Ukraine so what is the relevance with this in terms of the invasion?

Or are you buying Putin’s “denazification campaign”?

It is argued that the far right did influence the demos - plenty of vids showing that - as well as are in parliament, mainstream parties. Then we saw the Azov troops. Anyway, that influenece is undoubedly there.

No, I don't see Ukraine as Nazi. It is run by gangsters, as is Russia and in a more paletable way, so is the Uk and US, and practically every nation. "Democracy" is about votes, not who is in power, who pulls the strings, who takes the wealth. Just because people vote for "Jo" rather than "Jim", doesn't mean they are getting "Jo" making the decisions, directing the policy. "Democracy" is a tool of the elite, the gangsters. Ukraine stands out in this way. It's sad that people the world over fall for this mush of crumbs thrown to the masses.

Real videos or ones doctored by Russia’s Internet Research Agency?

So in your mind that justifies invasion and bombing hospitals and the Bucha massacre etc? Because the Russians used Azov as an excuse to carry out those atrocities.

Would the UK have been justified in invading Ireland during the troubles because of the IRA’s actions in your view?

[Bristol Red Rover]

NC, the Nazi thing was/is very real, seen across multiple reports. Guess you never looked?

And no I don't think that justifies attrocities, nor does Russia's behaviour justify Ukraine attrocities.

Ask yourself what was NATO/EU/UK/USA playing at with creating all this, or at best poking a situation that was close to the edge? Or why they scuppered any peace deals last year, not long after this all started?

[silent majority]

NC, the Nazi thing was/is very real, seen across multiple reports. Guess you never looked?

And no I don't think that justifies attrocities, nor does Russia's behaviour justify Ukraine attrocities.

Ask yourself what was NATO/EU/UK/USA playing at with creating all this, or at best poking a situation that was close to the edge? Or why they scuppered any peace deals last year, not long after this all started?

How you believe all this horse shit is beyond incredible!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder if BRR could run by us how a peace deal, shortly after Putin's War started, was meant to work, with Russian forces all over sovereign Ukrainian soil and Russian troops torturing pensioners and raping babies outside Kyiv?

[ncRover]

Russell Brand asking the question “Did NATO expansion play a pivotal role in triggering Russia’s invasion of Ukraine”.

But no new ex-USSR states joined NATO between 2004 and the invasion. Am I missing something here?

BRR, what would that proposed peace deal have looked like?

Another question. Do you think that Eastern European and former Soviet countries would be safer without NATO?

[Bristol Red Rover]

NC, the Nazi thing was/is very real, seen across multiple reports. Guess you never looked?

And no I don't think that justifies attrocities, nor does Russia's behaviour justify Ukraine attrocities.

Ask yourself what was NATO/EU/UK/USA playing at with creating all this, or at best poking a situation that was close to the edge? Or why they scuppered any peace deals last year, not long after this all started?

How you believe all this horse shit is beyond incredible!

Rather than throwing your toys out the pram, why don't you explain how and why you believe what you believe?