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Big Fat USA.Seems they're on a diet, so $6bn isn't on its way to Ukraine. Is this the final nail in Zelensky's coffin?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66977467
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 02, 2023, 01:40:49 amBig Fat USA.Seems they're on a diet, so $6bn isn't on its way to Ukraine. Is this the final nail in Zelensky's coffin?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66977467It’s a temporary budget agreement to allow us govt to stay open. I can’t see any scenario where Biden and co will step away from continuing support for Ukraine long term.
Quite sure some apologist will be along soon to justify these actions.Im not sure how anyone can make any sort of excuse for something like this but i do know that someone will!
Quote from: danumdon on October 05, 2023, 06:36:37 pmQuite sure some apologist will be along soon to justify these actions.Im not sure how anyone can make any sort of excuse for something like this but i do know that someone will!What are you going to do about the humanitarian crisis caused by the invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh by Azerbaijan ? None of the Warmongers on here said owt, have they.
Quote from: normal rules on October 03, 2023, 02:19:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 02, 2023, 01:40:49 amBig Fat USA.Seems they're on a diet, so $6bn isn't on its way to Ukraine. Is this the final nail in Zelensky's coffin?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66977467It’s a temporary budget agreement to allow us govt to stay open. I can’t see any scenario where Biden and co will step away from continuing support for Ukraine long term. Perhaps, although the mood of support is less over there. And either way, that is $6bn that likely won't be made up.Also this:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66984944Not really anything not known for a long time but has finally got to the point where the Beeb have to report it. For those that see the Beeb at least partly as a propaganda machine, then it can be said to being a drip feed before further steps are made or before Ukraine tries to make a realistic peace agreement/surrender.
"In a candid statement made at the Warsaw Security Forum, Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren emphasised the strategic importance of arming Ukraine as a cost-effective means of deterring Russia from posing a threat to the NATO alliance. "https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-a-cheap-way-to-ensure-that-russia-is-not-a-threat-to-nato-says-dutch-minister-articleshow.html
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 03, 2023, 08:19:55 pmQuote from: normal rules on October 03, 2023, 02:19:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 02, 2023, 01:40:49 amBig Fat USA.Seems they're on a diet, so $6bn isn't on its way to Ukraine. Is this the final nail in Zelensky's coffin?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66977467It’s a temporary budget agreement to allow us govt to stay open. I can’t see any scenario where Biden and co will step away from continuing support for Ukraine long term. Perhaps, although the mood of support is less over there. And either way, that is $6bn that likely won't be made up.Also this:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66984944Not really anything not known for a long time but has finally got to the point where the Beeb have to report it. For those that see the Beeb at least partly as a propaganda machine, then it can be said to being a drip feed before further steps are made or before Ukraine tries to make a realistic peace agreement/surrender.Luckily they have been sent 1.1 million bullets manufactured in Iran.I've got visions of the Russians repeating more or less a line from Zulu.Do a Michael Caine accent as you read BRR,"H e came all the way here to be killed by a bullet from Birmingham/Iran".Horrendous murder by the Russians today.History won't be forgiving of this barbaric despot,murdering scum.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 05, 2023, 11:00:02 pm"In a candid statement made at the Warsaw Security Forum, Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren emphasised the strategic importance of arming Ukraine as a cost-effective means of deterring Russia from posing a threat to the NATO alliance. "https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-a-cheap-way-to-ensure-that-russia-is-not-a-threat-to-nato-says-dutch-minister-articleshow.htmlAny means of deterring Russia is worth it. Cost effective or not. The message to Russia is go home, then we can deal with you.
"In a candid statement made at the Warsaw Security Forum, Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren emphasised the strategic importance of arming Ukraine as a cost-effective means of deterring Russia from posing a threat to the NATO alliance. "https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-a-cheap-way-to-ensure-that-russia-is-not-a-threat-to-nato-says-dutch-minister-articleshow.html
Quote from: River Don on October 05, 2023, 11:09:01 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 05, 2023, 11:00:02 pm"In a candid statement made at the Warsaw Security Forum, Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren emphasised the strategic importance of arming Ukraine as a cost-effective means of deterring Russia from posing a threat to the NATO alliance. "https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-a-cheap-way-to-ensure-that-russia-is-not-a-threat-to-nato-says-dutch-minister-articleshow.htmlAny means of deterring Russia is worth it. Cost effective or not. The message to Russia is go home, then we can deal with you.Whoosh! Think on it.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 05, 2023, 11:00:02 pm"In a candid statement made at the Warsaw Security Forum, Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren emphasised the strategic importance of arming Ukraine as a cost-effective means of deterring Russia from posing a threat to the NATO alliance. "https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-a-cheap-way-to-ensure-that-russia-is-not-a-threat-to-nato-says-dutch-minister-articleshow.htmlAny means of deterring Russia is worth it. Cost effective or not. The message to Russia is go home, then we can deal with you.
"In a candid statement made at the Warsaw Security Forum, Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren emphasised the strategic importance of arming Ukraine as a cost-effective means of deterring Russia from posing a threat to the NATO alliance. "https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/ukraine-a-cheap-way-to-ensure-that-russia-is-not-a-threat-to-nato-says-dutch-minister-articleshow.html
Putin is a tyrant who offers nothing. I would like to see him ground into dust.
Putin is holding the people of Russia hostage.I have no bad feelings towards Russians.Their leaders are scum and out of control. We can never succumb to these bas**rds.
Quote from: River Don on October 05, 2023, 11:24:53 pmPutin is holding the people of Russia hostage.I have no bad feelings towards Russians.Their leaders are scum and out of control. We can never succumb to these bas**rds.Ukraine leaders? Us proxy war leaders?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 06, 2023, 01:17:12 amQuote from: River Don on October 05, 2023, 11:24:53 pmPutin is holding the people of Russia hostage.I have no bad feelings towards Russians.Their leaders are scum and out of control. We can never succumb to these bas**rds.Ukraine leaders? Us proxy war leaders?Ever been to Russia?Ever been to the US?
Quote from: Colin C No.3 on October 06, 2023, 10:30:30 amQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 06, 2023, 01:17:12 amQuote from: River Don on October 05, 2023, 11:24:53 pmPutin is holding the people of Russia hostage.I have no bad feelings towards Russians.Their leaders are scum and out of control. We can never succumb to these bas**rds.Ukraine leaders? Us proxy war leaders?Ever been to Russia?Ever been to the US?Does it matter where I've been? Are you saying there's no corruption in Ukraine leaders or US leaders? Or abuse of their citizens? Or a genuine democracy where there aren't unelected people/organisations directing their policies?Further, we know Russia's interest in Ukraine. Its questionable that the Ukraine gov has much macro control over anything. The US is the boss in that way. So what is the interest of the US in Ukraine?
Can you give me a list of all agreements Russia has signed up to and ignored? Maybe also all those it has adhered to.You could do the same with the US and UK.You won't be doing that.Re the Budapest Memorandum, with the US instigated coup, the Ukraine that Russia had made the agreement with had gone. Also the USA had broken the agreement by introducing and threatening sanctions against the Yanukovych government. Further, the USA doesn't consider the BM legally binding.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 06, 2023, 07:17:51 pmCan you give me a list of all agreements Russia has signed up to and ignored? Maybe also all those it has adhered to.You could do the same with the US and UK.You won't be doing that.Re the Budapest Memorandum, with the US instigated coup, the Ukraine that Russia had made the agreement with had gone. Also the USA had broken the agreement by introducing and threatening sanctions against the Yanukovych government. Further, the USA doesn't consider the BM legally binding. The only thing Putin sees ‘binding’ is taking Russia back to the USSR of the 60’s.
Something not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. Let me guess what the source of that info is...