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Something not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.
Quote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?
Quote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true?
Quote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from?
Quote from: glosterred on November 02, 2023, 03:35:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/11/02/russia-downed-17-ukrainian-mig-29s-in-10-days-two-dozen-left/https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/mig29-ukraine-russia/
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true?
Quote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 03, 2023, 02:38:24 pmQuote from: glosterred on November 02, 2023, 03:35:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/11/02/russia-downed-17-ukrainian-mig-29s-in-10-days-two-dozen-left/https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/mig29-ukraine-russia/And both those bastions of independent journalism use the statements from the Russian Ministry of Defence and actually can't agree with each other. That's your evidence?https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/06/the-ukrainian-air-force-lost-62-planes-in-2022-so-far-in-2023-it-has-lost-just-seven/?sh=5aef0d8241b3
Quote from: glosterred on November 02, 2023, 03:35:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/11/02/russia-downed-17-ukrainian-mig-29s-in-10-days-two-dozen-left/https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/mig29-ukraine-russia/
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true?
Quote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from?
Quote from: silent majority on November 23, 2023, 02:07:56 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 03, 2023, 02:38:24 pmQuote from: glosterred on November 02, 2023, 03:35:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/11/02/russia-downed-17-ukrainian-mig-29s-in-10-days-two-dozen-left/https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/mig29-ukraine-russia/And both those bastions of independent journalism use the statements from the Russian Ministry of Defence and actually can't agree with each other. That's your evidence?https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/06/the-ukrainian-air-force-lost-62-planes-in-2022-so-far-in-2023-it-has-lost-just-seven/?sh=5aef0d8241b3Forbes wouldn't be western based would it?The thing is only a v few western news outlets publish anything but unavoidable reports on Western failings. All across the front Ukraine's are stepping back, as reported by all mapping sources. In a few areas they're making v slight gains and in the process in all of these they're losing huge amounts of troops and armour.Current Ukraine mobilisation is focused on women and 18 to 20 year olds.Back to the planes - markedly less stormshadow launches since I said about their losses.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 03, 2023, 02:38:24 pmQuote from: glosterred on November 02, 2023, 03:35:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/11/02/russia-downed-17-ukrainian-mig-29s-in-10-days-two-dozen-left/https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/mig29-ukraine-russia/And both those bastions of independent journalism use the statements from the Russian Ministry of Defence and actually can't agree with each other. That's your evidence?https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/06/the-ukrainian-air-force-lost-62-planes-in-2022-so-far-in-2023-it-has-lost-just-seven/?sh=5aef0d8241b3
Quote from: glosterred on November 02, 2023, 03:35:04 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2023/11/02/russia-downed-17-ukrainian-mig-29s-in-10-days-two-dozen-left/https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/mig29-ukraine-russia/
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on November 02, 2023, 02:29:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from? Can you provide a link to this information so we can verify what you said is true?
Quote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 09:14:20 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 31, 2023, 01:38:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 31, 2023, 01:19:12 pmQuote from: Bristol Red Rover on October 26, 2023, 05:37:56 pmSomething not reported in pro Ukraine media - Ukraine lost 24 aircraft in the last 6 days, mainly mig 29s. Russia using a new anti aircraft missile that can reach 400km, reportedly already upgraded to 600km.this, with the progressive destruction of Ukraine air defence seems to suggest that Russian air superiority is nearing the stage where they can have relative freedom over East and Central Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukraine's ability to use the Storm Shadow bombs will be severely restricted, likely to mean Crimea is not nearly so easy to strike. The reason it’s not being reported is that there is no evidence to support those claims. Quite the opposite in fact.Because the BBC always deals in fact, isn't a propaganda machine? And because Ukraine reports its losses?You state the opposite is true. Any evidence for that? Why bring the BBC into this, I never mentioned them?BBC/MSM...You said the "opposite is true". What are you saying, and where do you get that from?
You miss my overall point. Western mainstream media is generally so far off the mark with the real situation. Russian media can be too. Most who follow only western media are under the illusion that Ukraine is doing well. It clearly isn't, something that can be seen from well evidenced mapping and understanding possible strategies from well evidenced incidents. Along with this there is the issue of the potential of Ukraine/US funding of the war v Russian funding. Again, western media gives an unrealistic view unless you follow the details. In this case, can you explain why storm shadow use has practically stopped, or entirely stopped? Seems odd given its occasional success. Admittedly, proportionally more appear to have been shot down so it could be a progressively expensive, prohibitive, option.
I'll stick with my own reading of it, thanks. Thus far, nothing you've said on this topic has the remotest connection with reality.
I ask this question, largely to Bristol.Russia has achieved what? Deaths of thousands of its people, thousands of Ukrainian citizens, tonnes of cities/towns destroyed, Nato growth, western defence spending increased, assets siezed, oligarchs thrown out of the west, currency devalued and economy tanked. Remind me again about the success they're having because I must be missing it?
I just don't get it Bristol, what is it about Putin you admire? What is it about modern Russia that's so attractive? Why should Ukraine want to remain a part of it?
Not pro Russian or pro West?Just a wind up merchant then?
My post asks the question you could try answering it, but never mind cherub