Ukraine

[Sprotyrover]

Forget all that guff you keep peddling BRR - don't you need to start explaining to everyone why Putin's political opponents keep getting chopped?

How did his plane crash when he was in a prison Cell?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Forget all that guff you keep peddling BRR - don't you need to start explaining to everyone why Putin's political opponents keep getting chopped?

Zelensky is still alive as far as I know. Not sure what he's done with his ex head of military who may well be the main challenge when Zelensky allows elections.

A few thousand Ukraines and a lot of armour currently trapped in Avdiivka wthout much if any chance of escape. That happened very quickly. Looking like there'll be more signficant advances by Russia over the next few months before Ukraine gets a few more parcels from the US.

[BessieBlue]

Ha ha - admit it you are unable to stop peddling guff.

President Zelensky is not a political opponent of your man Putin - he is a president of a sovereign country - nothing to do with Russia!

[Bristol Red Rover]

Ha ha - admit it you are unable to stop peddling guff.

President Zelensky is not a political opponent of your man Putin - he is a president of a sovereign country - nothing to do with Russia!

My man Putin? Good skunk is it?

Define the "guff".

Zelensky is a puppet. The US put him in place. The US interfered with the oligarcic democratic functioning of Ukraine. The results are becoming ever evident in Ukraine, and in our pockets. Russia will have all on the left of the Dnieper, at least. The war there is accelerating. Ukraine is seriously striuggling. It won't be fighting to the last man. But if you like, keep believing the news you are fed by your masters.

[BessieBlue]

Keep peddling BRR - it's clearly your happy place.

[ncRover]

Are you saying the fear of Russian expansionism is a mainstream conspiracy theory?.....

Give me the evidence that it is fact.

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

[idler]

Just because you subjugate a country and rule over it for a hundred years doesn’t make it yours. The title Union of Soviet Socialist Republics makes it clear they are separate countries, a bloc rather than one nation.

[Bristol Red Rover]

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

I think the Soviet collapse has been a catastrophe. A gentler transition from the state control would have been better all round for the states within its borders. Do you agree?

Looking outside of its borders, it gave a green flag for further US expansionism and nefarous actions including the development of Al Qahida and ISIS, and the state terrorism on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine etc etc. A catastrophe indeed.

In the lead up to the invasion of course propaganda was in the pot. The US stirring, prodding and poking had been going on for many years. Ukraine was a step too far, the US knew it would get a reaction and expected a war that would both defeat Russia militarily and cripple it economically, and be able to meddle in regime change - it's what the US does. So Putin knew the likelihood of invading Ukraine was high by 2021 and delivered the story about historical Russia.

Do you a lesson in astro physics or are you continuing with efforts to attempt to dig a black hole?

[BessieBlue]

Define 'guff' said you.....

...er everything you said is the answer!

[Bristol Red Rover]

Just because you subjugate a country and rule over it for a hundred years doesn’t make it yours. The title Union of Soviet Socialist Republics makes it clear they are separate countries, a bloc rather than one nation.

The history is beyond the Soviet Union era where it was a separate state, like Texas in the US. The borders were very variable over many centuries. Ukraine is literally the "border lands" - between Russia and Poland. Which is pretty much where it's likely to end up.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Define 'guff' said you.....

...er everything you said is the answer!

Vague.

[Filo]

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

I think the Soviet collapse has been a catastrophe. A gentler transition from the state control would have been better all round for the states within its borders. Do you agree?

Looking outside of its borders, it gave a green flag for further US expansionism and nefarous actions including the development of Al Qahida and ISIS, and the state terrorism on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine etc etc. A catastrophe indeed.

In the lead up to the invasion of course propaganda was in the pot. The US stirring, prodding and poking had been going on for many years. Ukraine was a step too far, the US knew it would get a reaction and expected a war that would both defeat Russia militarily and cripple it economically, and be able to meddle in regime change - it's what the US does. So Putin knew the likelihood of invading Ukraine was high by 2021 and delivered the story about historical Russia.

Do you a lesson in astro physics or are you continuing with efforts to attempt to dig a black hole?

By expansionism you mean sovereign Countries applying to join NATO for their own protection?

[Bristol Red Rover]

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

I think the Soviet collapse has been a catastrophe. A gentler transition from the state control would have been better all round for the states within its borders. Do you agree?

Looking outside of its borders, it gave a green flag for further US expansionism and nefarous actions including the development of Al Qahida and ISIS, and the state terrorism on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine etc etc. A catastrophe indeed.

In the lead up to the invasion of course propaganda was in the pot. The US stirring, prodding and poking had been going on for many years. Ukraine was a step too far, the US knew it would get a reaction and expected a war that would both defeat Russia militarily and cripple it economically, and be able to meddle in regime change - it's what the US does. So Putin knew the likelihood of invading Ukraine was high by 2021 and delivered the story about historical Russia.

Do you a lesson in astro physics or are you continuing with efforts to attempt to dig a black hole?

By expansionism you mean sovereign Countries applying to join NATO for their own protection?

I was referring to US expansionism worldwide, as per what I wrote.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Interesting to notice a significant increase in vids made by Ukraine platoons etc where there are complaints about the military situation, suggestions for Ukraine to end the war ie surrender. Obviously this is not the whole picture but a snapshot that appears to show a trend. This can very quickly accelerate.

The order for troops to retreat from Avdiivka was only after troops there had abandonned positions against orders. The Azovs had been sent into Avdiivka to give support to the troops there but saw the situation and themselves made the decision to get out of there to the outlying villages. They had been staunch supporters of Zaluzhnyi and after he had been dismissed they had been moved away from Kyiv to wards Avdiivka. There are suggestions that this was done partly to lessen the chance of a coup in Kyiv at this time.

This situation of exhaustion and discontent is known by the west and is proably why Zelensky has been moved away from Ukraine for the moment, for protection.

For sure some of you will think this is made up and simply pro Russian propaganda. It is info mainly from Ukraines. You can do your own research. Or sit back and watch your hard earned cash invested by our fine government in the US led coup turn into Ruble.

[ncRover]

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

I think the Soviet collapse has been a catastrophe. A gentler transition from the state control would have been better all round for the states within its borders. Do you agree?

Looking outside of its borders, it gave a green flag for further US expansionism and nefarous actions including the development of Al Qahida and ISIS, and the state terrorism on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine etc etc. A catastrophe indeed.

In the lead up to the invasion of course propaganda was in the pot. The US stirring, prodding and poking had been going on for many years. Ukraine was a step too far, the US knew it would get a reaction and expected a war that would both defeat Russia militarily and cripple it economically, and be able to meddle in regime change - it's what the US does. So Putin knew the likelihood of invading Ukraine was high by 2021 and delivered the story about historical Russia.

Do you a lesson in astro physics or are you continuing with efforts to attempt to dig a black hole?

You are confusing intervensionism with expansionism.

Regarding interventionism, I notice you didn’t mention Afghanistan. Because of course the soviets helped to create instability there in the 70s and 80s in helping to overthrow the government with socialists and then started a war with the resistance.

Yes the US interventionism was ill-advised in hindsight in the likes of Iraq. Expecting to be able to build a democratic nation in such an environment was naive.

Again Israel / Palestine isn’t the simple war you think it is.

Putin also intervened in Syria. But took the side of his fellow dictator who wreaked havoc against his own population with chemical weapons. Let me guess, you think that was fake news?

And anyway, we’re talking about Russia. Please try to defend it in a fashion that doesn’t involve whataboutery and ad hominem attacks.

Chechnya, Ukraine and South Ossetia is expansionism.

Your reflexive contrarianism is not the critical thinking you think it is.

[Sprotyrover]

The Ukrainian army having lost the Avidiivka pocket are now going to ‘Dig In’ and hold the Russians off! The Russians will consolidate their Positons and that will be the end, The Ukraine does not have the Military capacity or manpower to punch through Russias lines.
Sleepy Joe needs to wake up and tell Zehlinsky to make peace.

[Bristol Red Rover]

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

I think the Soviet collapse has been a catastrophe. A gentler transition from the state control would have been better all round for the states within its borders. Do you agree?

Looking outside of its borders, it gave a green flag for further US expansionism and nefarous actions including the development of Al Qahida and ISIS, and the state terrorism on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine etc etc. A catastrophe indeed.

In the lead up to the invasion of course propaganda was in the pot. The US stirring, prodding and poking had been going on for many years. Ukraine was a step too far, the US knew it would get a reaction and expected a war that would both defeat Russia militarily and cripple it economically, and be able to meddle in regime change - it's what the US does. So Putin knew the likelihood of invading Ukraine was high by 2021 and delivered the story about historical Russia.

Do you a lesson in astro physics or are you continuing with efforts to attempt to dig a black hole?

You are confusing intervensionism with expansionism.

Regarding interventionism, I notice you didn’t mention Afghanistan. Because of course the soviets helped to create instability there in the 70s and 80s in helping to overthrow the government with socialists and then started a war with the resistance.

Yes the US interventionism was ill-advised in hindsight in the likes of Iraq. Expecting to be able to build a democratic nation in such an environment was naive.

Again Israel / Palestine isn’t the simple war you think it is.

Putin also intervened in Syria. But took the side of his fellow dictator who wreaked havoc against his own population with chemical weapons. Let me guess, you think that was fake news?

And anyway, we’re talking about Russia. Please try to defend it in a fashion that doesn’t involve whataboutery and ad hominem attacks.

Chechnya, Ukraine and South Ossetia is expansionism.

Your reflexive contrarianism is not the critical thinking you think it is.

In the above you might be able to see how you invoked external conflicts to attempt to make your point.

You also asked if I needed a lesson in history. Cheeky boy. So, ad hominem - own goal mate.

[Colin C No.3]

Interesting to notice a significant increase in vids made by Ukraine platoons etc where there are complaints about the military situation, suggestions for Ukraine to end the war ie surrender. Obviously this is not the whole picture but a snapshot that appears to show a trend. This can very quickly accelerate.

The order for troops to retreat from Avdiivka was only after troops there had abandonned positions against orders. The Azovs had been sent into Avdiivka to give support to the troops there but saw the situation and themselves made the decision to get out of there to the outlying villages. They had been staunch supporters of Zaluzhnyi and after he had been dismissed they had been moved away from Kyiv to wards Avdiivka. There are suggestions that this was done partly to lessen the chance of a coup in Kyiv at this time.

This situation of exhaustion and discontent is known by the west and is proably why Zelensky has been moved away from Ukraine for the moment, for protection.

For sure some of you will think this is made up and simply pro Russian propaganda. It is info mainly from Ukraines. You can do your own research. Or sit back and watch your hard earned cash invested by our fine government in the US led coup turn into Ruble.

Bollox.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Is that you being disappointed, cocker?

[scawsby steve]

The threat to the world isn't Putin. It's his side kick, Medvedev.

The man is seriously mentally ill.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The threat to the world isn't Putin. It's his side kick, Medvedev.

The man is seriously mentally ill.

All mental what with their soldiers weilding shovels and now their top brass lashing out like this.

[ncRover]

So even once we put aside the modern wars in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and his siding with the despicable Assad during the Syrian civil war there’s this:

In 2005 Putin said the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”.

In 2021 before his Ukraine invasion he described the fall of the Soviet Union  as the “demise of historical Russia”.

Do you need a history lesson on the Soviet Union or are you a communist who thinks tens of millions dead was sufficient collateral damage?

I think the Soviet collapse has been a catastrophe. A gentler transition from the state control would have been better all round for the states within its borders. Do you agree?

Looking outside of its borders, it gave a green flag for further US expansionism and nefarous actions including the development of Al Qahida and ISIS, and the state terrorism on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine etc etc. A catastrophe indeed.

In the lead up to the invasion of course propaganda was in the pot. The US stirring, prodding and poking had been going on for many years. Ukraine was a step too far, the US knew it would get a reaction and expected a war that would both defeat Russia militarily and cripple it economically, and be able to meddle in regime change - it's what the US does. So Putin knew the likelihood of invading Ukraine was high by 2021 and delivered the story about historical Russia.

Do you a lesson in astro physics or are you continuing with efforts to attempt to dig a black hole?

You are confusing intervensionism with expansionism.

Regarding interventionism, I notice you didn’t mention Afghanistan. Because of course the soviets helped to create instability there in the 70s and 80s in helping to overthrow the government with socialists and then started a war with the resistance.

Yes the US interventionism was ill-advised in hindsight in the likes of Iraq. Expecting to be able to build a democratic nation in such an environment was naive.

Again Israel / Palestine isn’t the simple war you think it is.

Putin also intervened in Syria. But took the side of his fellow dictator who wreaked havoc against his own population with chemical weapons. Let me guess, you think that was fake news?

And anyway, we’re talking about Russia. Please try to defend it in a fashion that doesn’t involve whataboutery and ad hominem attacks.

Chechnya, Ukraine and South Ossetia is expansionism.

Your reflexive contrarianism is not the critical thinking you think it is.

In the above you might be able to see how you invoked external conflicts to attempt to make your point.

You also asked if I needed a lesson in history. Cheeky boy. So, ad hominem - own goal mate.

Ad hominem as in dismissing any western voice / media in having an opinion on this as biased rather than challenging what was said.

But I think I did take the mickey out of you referencing Russell Brand after he’d said his allegations were a media plot to silence his truth-seeking, so I’ll hold my hands up there.

I brought up external conflicts because you can’t make a point without bringing irrelevant “US expansionism” in to it. So I thought I’d compare and contrast.

Do you think Navalny deserved to be imprisoned? And do you think he died naturally? When a lot of Putin’s critics “fall from buildings” or are poisoned (Litvinenko), thinking Navakny was murdered is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to jump to.

[idler]

I think that most Russians will have jumped to the same conclusion which is probably  just what Putin intended.
I once saw a story where Khrushchev was addressing a meeting after some time after Stalin’s death and decrying him. Somebody in the audience shouted out “Why didn’t you say this while he was alive”?
Khrushchev asked “Who said that”? When nobody owned up he said something like there’s your answer.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Do you think Navalny deserved to be imprisoned? And do you think he died naturally? When a lot of Putin’s critics “fall from buildings” or are poisoned (Litvinenko), thinking Navakny was murdered is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to jump to.

I don't know the details of his guilt. I don't know who is backing him, what international connections he is entwined with. I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA and similar have been connected with him. Do you?

Chances are his death was brought about in some way by the authorities. Wait and see.

Any other deaths in prison you're concerned about? Any other incarcerations based on being politically inconvenient that concern you?

[Iberian Red]

Do you think Navalny deserved to be imprisoned? And do you think he died naturally? When a lot of Putin’s critics “fall from buildings” or are poisoned (Litvinenko), thinking Navakny was murdered is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to jump to.

I don't know the details of his guilt.

Why does General Melchett and a black cap spring to mind?

[Bristol Red Rover]

You could at least pick plums with your cherries. And then some context with you tabloid headline. Tell me about Navalny, his foreign connections, the funding sources, his politics, his level of support within Russia. See, I'm being helpful here.

[ncRover]

Do you think Navalny deserved to be imprisoned? And do you think he died naturally? When a lot of Putin’s critics “fall from buildings” or are poisoned (Litvinenko), thinking Navakny was murdered is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to jump to.

I don't know the details of his guilt. I don't know who is backing him, what international connections he is entwined with. I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA and similar have been connected with him. Do you?

Chances are his death was brought about in some way by the authorities. Wait and see.

Any other deaths in prison you're concerned about? Any other incarcerations based on being politically inconvenient that concern you?

If he’d been in league with the CIA then he’d have been charged with espionage. He hasn’t. He has been charged with “fraud” and “extremism”.

Someone with such anti-establishment inclinations such as yourself should be able to see that these can be very subjective when the state in question is incredibly authoritarian.

But yeah keep comparing him to Assange who was rightly charged with espionage and given far more of a fair trial than Navalny.

You’re also free to have your rebellious opinion about Assange here because you live in a nice cosy liberal democracy. Look at those who simply laid flowers in memory of Navalny in Russia.

There is no moral equivalency. Assange leaked the names of Afghan informants to the Taliban for example. He said “Well they’re informants, so if they get killed they’ve got it coming to them. They deserved it”.

[normal rules]

Hot on the heels of Navalnies sad demise, I see the Russian Pilot who defected to Ukraine(in a Russian military helicopter )has been found dead in Villajoyosa, Costa blanca. Riddled with bullets and run over . Maksim Kuzminov. 

[Ldr]

Hot on the heels of Navalnies sad demise, I see the Russian Pilot who defected to Ukraine(in a Russian military helicopter )has been found dead in Villajoyosa, Costa blanca. Riddled with bullets and run over . Maksim Kuzminov. 

BRR will be along in a minute to insist it was natural causes…..

[ncRover]

Hot on the heels of Navalnies sad demise, I see the Russian Pilot who defected to Ukraine(in a Russian military helicopter )has been found dead in Villajoyosa, Costa blanca. Riddled with bullets and run over . Maksim Kuzminov. 

BRR will be along in a minute to insist it was natural causes…..

CIA false flag operation