Ukraine

[Bristol Red Rover]

I think you’ve said it all there….about the kind of person you are.

I trust you one day get to feel the pain & grief & despair that Navalny’s mother will be feeling now.

Oy ya pussy, what have I said "right there"?

[Bristol Red Rover]

This is interesting from the New York Times.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/02/26/nrdz-f26.html

In brief, there's a summary of NYT quotes there, and some giving of context. The NYT is talking about the CIA bases in Ukraine, since pre 2014, and the implication there is their involvement with the Ukraine "revolution" etc etc. Same old US regime changing.

[Colin C No.3]

This is interesting from the New York Times.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/02/26/nrdz-f26.html

In brief, there's a summary of NYT quotes there, and some giving of context. The NYT is talking about the CIA bases in Ukraine, since pre 2014, and the implication there is their involvement with the Ukraine "revolution" etc etc. Same old US regime changing.

You talk absolute bollox.

[SydneyRover]

Despite the threats, jail and killings .........

''Mourners chant Navalny’s name as funeral of Putin critic begins in Moscow – Russia-Ukraine war live''

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/01/funeral-alexei-navalny-moscow-putin-russia-ukraine-war-live

[Bristol Red Rover]

He did have support, a significant part of that purely as opposition to the ruling elite, some of it for his very nasty policies - no one here has touched on that,  possibly through ignorance, possibly because they approve.

Also it's worth cutting through the beeb propaganda here and checking out what his popularity ratings were.

[ncRover]

He did have support, a significant part of that purely as opposition to the ruling elite, some of it for his very nasty policies - no one here has touched on that,  possibly through ignorance, possibly because they approve.

Also it's worth cutting through the beeb propaganda here and checking out what his popularity ratings were.

If you were British PM would you throw your political enemies in jail and poison them?

It doesn’t matter what his policies were or how unpopular he was.

So Putin is perfect and he has no strong opposition because of that?

[Colin C No.3]

He did have support, a significant part of that purely as opposition to the ruling elite, some of it for his very nasty policies - no one here has touched on that,  possibly through ignorance, possibly because they approve.

Also it's worth cutting through the beeb propaganda here and checking out what his popularity ratings were.

Nasty policies like invading a sovereign state?
Or nasty policies like becoming an anti corruption activist?

Putin has been in power for 24 years & is about to ‘run’ for a further 6 years.

Is that because the Russian people love him, or because Putin has ‘outlawed’ any opposition parties?

Or perhaps it’s because once in power Putin implemented a system of ‘managed democracy’ which basically translates to ‘elections without change’.

The wrong man was murdered in an Artic prison.

Do not even think about personally abusing me again…..ever.

In fact, I have decided where you are concerned I shall adopt Putins system. There will be no opposition to my post from you.

[Bristol Red Rover]

He did have support, a significant part of that purely as opposition to the ruling elite, some of it for his very nasty policies - no one here has touched on that,  possibly through ignorance, possibly because they approve.

Also it's worth cutting through the beeb propaganda here and checking out what his popularity ratings were.

If you were British PM would you throw your political enemies in jail and poison them?

It doesn’t matter what his policies were or how unpopular he was.

So Putin is perfect and he has no strong opposition because of that?

Not at all. If Navalny was poisoned of course it's evil, sick. Anyone even harrassing another because they disagree with them is screwed up. It's what controlling elites do, it's what twisted bullies do. There is no excuse.

And then there is context which I've already mentioned.

Likewise there are ithers in westen jails, and the guy killed in a Ukraine jail for his views. In a lesser but similar way, Corbyn was shut down by the people that rule our country. This is all linked.

[Bentley Bullet]

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[BillyStubbsTears]

Putin-imposed head of occupied Zaphphorizha crowing about the fact they have deported Ukrainian families. A war crime.

https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1762398536874741872

It's frankly horrifying to think what will have been going on in the occupied territories over the past two years, outside the field of view of the outside world.

[Bristol Red Rover]

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[Bristol Red Rover]

Another Russian ship destroyed by the Uke/UK sea drones. I can't understand how the Russians allow this. Surely it's easy as to defend against it?

[Sprotyrover]

Putin-imposed head of occupied Zaphphorizha crowing about the fact they have deported Ukrainian families. A war crime.

https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1762398536874741872

It's frankly horrifying to think what will have been going on in the occupied territories over the past two years, outside the field of view of the outside world.
Still waiting for your solution to the war BST… patiently!

[Bristol Red Rover]

Apparently a bunch of high ranking Ukraine military who were dismissed as they supported Zaluzhnyi, who was sacked, have defected to Russia.

Various other reports today include 3 Himars destroyed, the third Abrams, an S 300 air defence (a few patriots also in recent days), and continued Russian advances. Just passing on news your beeb feed won't be passing on. Things worsening for Ukraine by the day. Peace treaty?

[selby]

 British intelligence backed up by the US  are giving numbers out that Russia is losing 800 to a thousand personnel a day BR, plus capital ships, factories being bombed, aircraft faster than they can be replaced, the two air command planes costing millions to gain little villages.
   They must be the costliest square feet of land ever on this planet, the Russian people, and the families of those that have been lost for so little are either thick, brain washed, or frightened to death, to let themselves be led into such an idiotic position. because of mainly personnel pride and down right cussedness. That's all Putin and his honchos have got with complete disdain of the people they are supposed to lead.
   The old saying "Lions led by a Donkey" doesn't do him justice

[Bristol Red Rover]

Yes, Russians loosing troops, Ukraine moreso if we go with what you say. Also, ukraine failing to replace them - hence retreating all round. Just facts.

Some Russian losses of planes, not pilots, though in looking at what's more precious, how much does a Patriot system cost? And Russia has recently sent a few new squadrons to the "front" including the newer SU57. Judging by the extent of guided FAB bombing,  there isn't a shortage of.

Avdeevka isn't a little village. And anyway, as you know,  the point is wearing the opposition down, inevitably so. The US, NATO, etc know that Ukraine is a loss, have done for some time. Their proxy war failed,  yet they STILL sponsor the killing and sacrifice.

[TonySoprano]

Another Russian ship destroyed by the Uke/UK sea drones. I can't understand how the Russians allow this. Surely it's easy as to defend against it?

Pointless attack, waste of lives

[SydneyRover]

''Total bilateral aid commitments to Ukraine as a percentage of 2021 donor country gross domestic product (GDP) between January 24, 2022 and January 15, 2024, by country''

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

[Sprotyrover]

''Total bilateral aid commitments to Ukraine as a percentage of 2021 donor country gross domestic product (GDP) between January 24, 2022 and January 15, 2024, by country''

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

That’s quite a chunk off NHS Funding amongst other things!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've said for years that it was weird to look back to the Thirties and realise that people were saying we should cosy up to Hitler and not stop him expanding the Third Reich.

I always assumed we'd learned from that. But there are people in here who would have us make exactly the same mistake today. Either they really don't get history, or they get aroused by fascism.

[Colin C No.3]

A Russian missile landed within 100 metres of President Zelenskyy & visiting Greek Prime Minister Mitsotakis & his diplomats today in the port of Odessa, five people (non of them Greek) were killed.

What would NATO’s response have been if a Prime Minister of one of its ‘most important’ nation states had been killed?

Putin will one day blow his own head off playing ‘Russian Roulette’.

[drfchound]

I've said for years that it was weird to look back to the Thirties and realise that people were saying we should cosy up to Hitler and not stop him expanding the Third Reich.

I always assumed we'd learned from that. But there are people in here who would have us make exactly the same mistake today. Either they really don't get history, or they get aroused by fascism.

Billy, who are “the people in here” that you are talking about.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I've said for years that it was weird to look back to the Thirties and realise that people were saying we should cosy up to Hitler and not stop him expanding the Third Reich.

I always assumed we'd learned from that. But there are people in here who would have us make exactly the same mistake today. Either they really don't get history, or they get aroused by fascism.

There's BST hanging out with Jeeves and Wooster, again, whilst the rest of the world has moved on from Butlers and stiff collars.

[Bristol Red Rover]

A Russian missile landed within 100 metres of President Zelenskyy & visiting Greek Prime Minister Mitsotakis & his diplomats today in the port of Odessa, five people (non of them Greek) were killed.

What would NATO’s response have been if a Prime Minister of one of its ‘most important’ nation states had been killed?

Putin will one day blow his own head off playing ‘Russian Roulette’.

NATO leaders have to go to Ukraine to keep up the pretence that everything is going well. It isn't. They know it. They will stop the visits. This was possibly the watershed.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I've said for years that it was weird to look back to the Thirties and realise that people were saying we should cosy up to Hitler and not stop him expanding the Third Reich.

I always assumed we'd learned from that. But there are people in here who would have us make exactly the same mistake today. Either they really don't get history, or they get aroused by fascism.

Billy, who are “the people in here” that you are talking about.

Voices in his head.

[SydneyRover]

sprot:

The Ukrainian army having lost the Avidiivka pocket are now going to ‘Dig In’ and hold the Russians off! The Russians will consolidate their Positons and that will be the end, The Ukraine does not have the Military capacity or manpower to punch through Russias lines.
Sleepy Joe needs to wake up and tell Zehlinsky to make peace.

''Total bilateral aid commitments to Ukraine as a percentage of 2021 donor country gross domestic product (GDP) between January 24, 2022 and January 15, 2024, by country''

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

That’s quite a chunk off NHS Funding amongst other things!

Sounds like you're getting ready to give it up sprot

[Colin C No.3]

A Russian missile landed within 100 metres of President Zelenskyy & visiting Greek Prime Minister Mitsotakis & his diplomats today in the port of Odessa, five people (non of them Greek) were killed.

What would NATO’s response have been if a Prime Minister of one of its ‘most important’ nation states had been killed?

Putin will one day blow his own head off playing ‘Russian Roulette’.

NATO leaders have to go to Ukraine to keep up the pretence that everything is going well. It isn't. They know it. They will stop the visits. This was possibly the watershed.

NATO leaders DON’T have to go to a country at war for any other reason than to show their support. You’re deluded & clearly anti-democracy if you think otherwise.

Any ‘watershed moment’ would be totally on Putin’s conscience. His missile very nearly killed a democratically elected leader of a country whose ‘protection’ comes under NATO’s ‘umbrella’.

There could have been dire consequences for us all if Putin’s rabid actions had resulted in such an outcome.

The visit’s by other western leaders will not stop, mark my words.

[Bristol Red Rover]

The missile being spoke of was aimed at, and hit, a factory/storage unit for the sea drones. As they are UK coordinated, likely there would be some UK casualties there too.

If you walk across a busy road with a blindfold, you are asking for trouble. No nukes coming from that story.

The other side of the story is Russia being able to take out Zelensky but choosing not to. Why might that be?

[Colin C No.3]

The missile being spoke of was aimed at, and hit, a factory/storage unit for the sea drones. As they are UK coordinated, likely there would be some UK casualties there too.

If you walk across a busy road with a blindfold, you are asking for trouble. No nukes coming from that story.

The other side of the story is Russia being able to take out Zelensky but choosing not to. Why might that be?

It landed 100 metres from this group.

Obviously at that distance it was meant as a ‘frightener’, no more.

No UK casualties as ‘they’ surprise, surprise, were all in the UK.

Didn’t understand the bit about blindfold’s, road crossing & nuclear weapons. I know one about a chicken crossing the road if you want to hear it.

[Sprotyrover]

sprot:

The Ukrainian army having lost the Avidiivka pocket are now going to ‘Dig In’ and hold the Russians off! The Russians will consolidate their Positons and that will be the end, The Ukraine does not have the Military capacity or manpower to punch through Russias lines.
Sleepy Joe needs to wake up and tell Zehlinsky to make peace.

''Total bilateral aid commitments to Ukraine as a percentage of 2021 donor country gross domestic product (GDP) between January 24, 2022 and January 15, 2024, by country''

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

That’s quite a chunk off NHS Funding amongst other things!

Sounds like you're getting ready to give it up sprot

Syd pray do tell us your solution to this war?
BST We are still awaiting your words of wisdom too?