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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2024, 05:03:07 pm

Title: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on March 01, 2024, 05:03:07 pm
National Audit Office report today is just beyond belief.

Given commitments already made to Rwanda, we're contracted to pay them £370m, even if not a single person is deported there.

If 300 people are deported, the figure will rise to £584m!

Thick end of £2m for each person deported!

For a policy which is utterly immoral, and will have f**k all deference effect. Because even the most Herculean assumptions of how many people will be deported to Rwanda come in at a tiny percentage of the total number of small boat arrivals. And if you're not deterred by the threat of drowning in the Channel, why would you be deterred by a 1 in 50 chance of being sent to Rwanda?

Count the f**king days down until this bunch of shites for souls are hoyed out.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Colin C No.3 on March 01, 2024, 05:31:53 pm
Sunak has already pledged £750 million of tax payers money whether any asylum seekers are sent to Rwanda or not.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 09, 2024, 03:24:49 pm
Reported that over 70 of the homes built to house our refugees have neen sold to locals in Rwanda!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ncRover on April 09, 2024, 04:37:06 pm
I heard once that we have accepted more refugees from Rwanda than people we have deported to Rwanda - is that true?

Not a good look for saying it’s a good place to go if so!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 09, 2024, 05:16:14 pm
Accepting just 1 is more than we've sent, but yes we have granted aylum to some who dared to disagree with the Govt. But hey it's still a safe country
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 10, 2024, 08:37:51 pm
Now even Rwanda Air reject the UK Govt proposal to fly UK refugees to Kigali, concerned about reputational risk of being associated with the scheme
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 10, 2024, 09:33:45 pm
Now even Rwanda Air reject the UK Govt proposal to fly UK refugees to Kigali, concerned about reputational risk of being associated with the scheme

What a f**king tin pot nation,








We have become over the lat decade.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 10, 2024, 10:18:16 pm
It's a sort of reverse colonisation
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: roverstillidie91 on April 17, 2024, 02:34:14 pm
Conservatives for you.

A party who are utter crooks, thieves and frauds.

Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 17, 2024, 02:57:26 pm
They wouldn't try and use RAF would they? Would they!!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on April 17, 2024, 04:20:03 pm
Even with the RAF there's reputation to consider.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 22, 2024, 01:32:07 pm
Can someone tell me how, with the huge backlog of cases waiting for Court time, how Rich-ie has suddenly found 20+ Courts and numerous Judges to deal promptly with any appeals when the Rwanda bill becomes law?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on April 22, 2024, 01:59:07 pm
Ignoring that this whole thing is bonkers, the push to complete it is primarily about egotistical, and childlike, face saving. It certainly won't gain more votes, most likely will lose them.

Boris, Liz, Rishi - a three headed dog do.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: tommy toes on April 22, 2024, 03:11:37 pm
I listened to Sunak blathering on this morning trying to justify this farce.
He used his time blaming Labour for blocking it so far (despite the Tories having a majority in both houses) and saying Labour had no policy for dealing with immigration(they have) oh and not forgetting ‘The will of the people’
Tosser.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: roverstillidie91 on April 22, 2024, 03:40:40 pm
Now even Rwanda Air reject the UK Govt proposal to fly UK refugees to Kigali, concerned about reputational risk of being associated with the scheme

What a f**king tin pot nation,








We have become over the lat decade.

They want a civil war and for us to fight amongst ourselves.

I do believe people are seeing through this though including with Labour, Lib Dems and the other establishment party (Reform).
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 22, 2024, 10:36:39 pm
91, you will never be able to support a party that gets into government because it will have become 'established' is this correct?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on April 22, 2024, 11:30:56 pm
91, you will never be able to support a party that gets into government because it will have become 'established' is this correct?
It's not the act of getting into government that's the issue, it's the weight of brown on the nose that gets gathered on the way.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on April 23, 2024, 09:22:19 am
If only the British poor could have the same amount of cash thrown at them per person that these non-Brits are getting.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 23, 2024, 09:47:12 am
Oh dear Ms Cooper not coming out with a definite no
If you are elected and a plane is ready to go will you stop it?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 23, 2024, 12:33:15 pm
Oh dear Ms Cooper not coming out with a definite no
If you are elected and a plane is ready to go will you stop it?

Not surprising though is it mate.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 23, 2024, 02:46:45 pm
5 more people died crossing the Channel.

And the shits for souls pretending to rule us still say that deporting maybe 1 in 100 to Rwanda will deter people who are prepared to risk their lives.

It's a ghoulish side show put on to satisfy racists, instead of getting on with properly managing asylum claims.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: bpoolrover on April 23, 2024, 04:58:56 pm
5 more people died crossing the Channel.

And the shits for souls pretending to rule us still say that deporting maybe 1 in 100 to Rwanda will deter people who are prepared to risk their lives.

It's a ghoulish side show put on to satisfy racists, instead of getting on with properly managing asylum claims.
the problem is bst how do
You manage them properly, if they say they have changed religon they stay, if they say they are gay they stay! How do you manage it when the whole process takes so long as soon as they appeal and then appeal again?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Ldr on April 23, 2024, 05:09:37 pm
Anyone picked up in the channel should be deposited on a beach in France, not brought to the UK
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 23, 2024, 05:31:14 pm
This is what you get when you do nothing! https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1782009479250219106?s=61
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 23, 2024, 05:37:41 pm
5 more people died crossing the Channel.

And the shits for souls pretending to rule us still say that deporting maybe 1 in 100 to Rwanda will deter people who are prepared to risk their lives.

It's a ghoulish side show put on to satisfy racists, instead of getting on with properly managing asylum claims.
the problem is bst how do
You manage them properly, if they say they have changed religon they stay, if they say they are gay they stay! How do you manage it when the whole process takes so long as soon as they appeal and then appeal again?

No need to fret Blackpool.
When Labour win the GE we will see a totally different situation.
The small boats will either be stopped from getting afloat in France or we will send bigger boats over there to make the crossings safer for the migrants.
I am going to vote Labour so that it all gets sorted out.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 23, 2024, 06:17:59 pm




It's a ghoulish side show put on to satisfy racists, instead of getting on with properly managing asylum claims.

They came running to your post tho.
Give me the numbers for tonight's Euromillions please.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: tyke1962 on April 23, 2024, 09:02:50 pm
5 more people died crossing the Channel.

And the shits for souls pretending to rule us still say that deporting maybe 1 in 100 to Rwanda will deter people who are prepared to risk their lives.

It's a ghoulish side show put on to satisfy racists, instead of getting on with properly managing asylum claims.
the problem is bst how do
You manage them properly, if they say they have changed religon they stay, if they say they are gay they stay! How do you manage it when the whole process takes so long as soon as they appeal and then appeal again?

No need to fret Blackpool.
When Labour win the GE we will see a totally different situation.
The small boats will either be stopped from getting afloat in France or we will send bigger boats over there to make the crossings safer for the migrants.
I am going to vote Labour so that it all gets sorted out.

Aye not long now hound when the shouting from the sidelines ends .

Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 23, 2024, 10:21:48 pm
5 more people died crossing the Channel.

And the shits for souls pretending to rule us still say that deporting maybe 1 in 100 to Rwanda will deter people who are prepared to risk their lives.

It's a ghoulish side show put on to satisfy racists, instead of getting on with properly managing asylum claims.
the problem is bst how do
You manage them properly, if they say they have changed religon they stay, if they say they are gay they stay! How do you manage it when the whole process takes so long as soon as they appeal and then appeal again?

No need to fret Blackpool.
When Labour win the GE we will see a totally different situation.
The small boats will either be stopped from getting afloat in France or we will send bigger boats over there to make the crossings safer for the migrants.
I am going to vote Labour so that it all gets sorted out.

Aye not long now hound when the shouting from the sidelines ends .

You can still shout tyke all you have to do is get your facts right, hope not hate.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 23, 2024, 10:37:51 pm
Let’s get the Aussies in they know how to stop boat people Aye!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: River Don on April 23, 2024, 11:25:00 pm
If Sunak was really interested in cutting immigration, he could just not issue so many visas. The vast majority of immigrants are legal.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 23, 2024, 11:55:39 pm
Let’s get the Aussies in they know how to stop boat people Aye!

must be getting your news from chip wrappers

''Northern communities rattled after Chinese boat arrivals walked into Australia's unfenced Truscott air base''

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/chinese-boat-arrivals-air-base-western-australia/103742276

Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 24, 2024, 11:25:35 am
Let’s get the Aussies in they know how to stop boat people Aye!

must be getting your news from chip wrappers

''Northern communities rattled after Chinese boat arrivals walked into Australia's unfenced Truscott air base''

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/chinese-boat-arrivals-air-base-western-australia/103742276


Ha Syd you do struggle emwith irony!Aye
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 24, 2024, 11:31:55 am
Anyone see the disgusting BBC coverage of the Mob of Thugs boarding that Rubbey Dinghy in France. There were at least 8\
/9 Armed with Staves fending the French Police off, half a mile out it got into trouble and 5 died including a small child, The entire bunch should have been Arrested Taken back to France The females and Children who are clearly vulnerable taken to safety and the rest detained interviewed and charges with Criminal offences , attempted Assault, carrying an offensive weapon, unlawful killing immediately spring to mind
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 24, 2024, 12:15:42 pm
Let’s get the Aussies in they know how to stop boat people Aye!

must be getting your news from chip wrappers

''Northern communities rattled after Chinese boat arrivals walked into Australia's unfenced Truscott air base''

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/chinese-boat-arrivals-air-base-western-australia/103742276


Ha Syd you do struggle emwith irony!Aye

why?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: tyke1962 on April 24, 2024, 04:57:56 pm
This issue is weaponised by both the right and the left and both have contributed massively to the divisions it's created .
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on April 24, 2024, 07:36:22 pm
This issue is weaponised by both the right and the left and both have contributed massively to the divisions it's created .

So let me get this straight...when you oppose a deliberately contentious proposition that has never been put to the electorate, it's your fault that it's divisive. Have I got that right?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: tyke1962 on April 24, 2024, 08:25:57 pm
This issue is weaponised by both the right and the left and both have contributed massively to the divisions it's created .

So let me get this straight...when you oppose a deliberately contentious proposition that has never been put to the electorate, it's your fault that it's divisive. Have I got that right?

It's weaponised because the Right use it to blame all the country's problems on it .

The Left stick their fingers in their ears and won't acknowledge the problem  or call everyone a bigot .

It will cost the incoming Labour government votes if they don't get on top of it because the Right will be sure to fan the flames and benefit electorally .

A solution needs to be found , not Rwanda but neither is calling everyone a bigot who doesn't much care for it a solution either .





Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 24, 2024, 08:31:38 pm
This issue is weaponised by both the right and the left and both have contributed massively to the divisions it's created .

So let me get this straight...when you oppose a deliberately contentious proposition that has never been put to the electorate, it's your fault that it's divisive. Have I got that right?


The Left stick their fingers in their ears and won't acknowledge the problem  or call everyone a bigot .

It will cost the incoming Labour government votes if they don't get on top of it because the Right will be sure to fan the flames and benefit electorally .

A solution needs to be found , not Rwanda but neither is calling everyone a bigot who doesn't much care for it a solution either .

There's nothing as predictable as stereotyping.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: River Don on April 24, 2024, 08:33:53 pm
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Anyone see the disgusting BBC coverage of the Mob of Thugs boarding that Rubbey Dinghy in France. There were at least 8\
/9 Armed with Staves fending the French Police off, half a mile out it got into trouble and 5 died including a small child, The entire bunch should have been Arrested Taken back to France The females and Children who are clearly vulnerable taken to safety and the rest detained interviewed and charges with Criminal offences , attempted Assault, carrying an offensive weapon, unlawful killing immediately spring to mind
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Anyone see the disgusting BBC coverage of the Mob of Thugs boarding that Rubbey Dinghy in France. There were at least 8\
/9 Armed with Staves fending the French Police off, half a mile out it got into trouble and 5 died including a small child, The entire bunch should have been Arrested Taken back to France The females and Children who are clearly vulnerable taken to safety and the rest detained interviewed and charges with Criminal offences , attempted Assault, carrying an offensive weapon, unlawful killing immediately spring to mind
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It was a large group of asylum seekers, including women and children.

The guys with batons were people smugglers trying to keep the police at bay to get the boat away. At least that's how the news report I saw described it.

Four men have been arrested in France today apparently.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: River Don on April 24, 2024, 08:42:44 pm
Remarkly be some of the people who failed to stay on that overcrowded dingy were interviewed. All Vietnamese, they said they intended to try again despite having witnessed the obvious danger.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 24, 2024, 08:44:25 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: River Don on April 24, 2024, 08:50:34 pm
The other interesting thing was the Vietnamese guys didn't have any family links to the UK.

They wanted to get here because they knew people who had made it, were able to find work and even send money home. This was the draw.

It matches my own experience. I stayed for a short while in a rented house with a group of Brazilians. They knew a lad who shouldn't have been here but he was getting work cleaning hotels and delivering fast food. That was the reason he was desperate to stay.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 24, 2024, 08:57:52 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.

Indeed.
Any opion about the current government doing f**k all about it apart from the Rwanda policy?
At least we took back control.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on April 24, 2024, 09:11:11 pm
So Rich-ie says they will now know that if they reach the UK they will not be allowed to stay.
Remind me how many cross each week and how many places we have in Rwanda to send them to
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 24, 2024, 09:17:20 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.

Indeed.
Any opion about the current government doing f**k all about it apart from the Rwanda policy?
At least we took back control.

I’m not sure what an opion  is but to answer you question, haven’t we sent many millions of pounds to the French to get them to stop the boats being launched.
What do you think they could have done additionally?
As for your last sentence, I didn’t vote in favour of Brexit so I don’t think you should be addressing that to me.
And, what do you think that Labour (my new team mates) will do to stop the boats.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 24, 2024, 09:21:44 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.

Indeed.
Any opion about the current government doing f**k all about it apart from the Rwanda policy?
At least we took back control.

I’m not sure what an opion  is but to answer you question, haven’t we sent many millions of pounds to the French to get them to stop the boats being launched.
What do you think they could have done additionally?
As for your last sentence, I didn’t vote in favour of Brexit so I don’t think you should be addressing that to me.
And, what do you think that Labour (my new team mates) will do to stop the boats.

Opion is a typo.
Not sure what you question is.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 24, 2024, 09:24:12 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.

Indeed.
Any opion about the current government doing f**k all about it apart from the Rwanda policy?
At least we took back control.

I’m not sure what an opion  is but to answer you question, haven’t we sent many millions of pounds to the French to get them to stop the boats being launched.
What do you think they could have done additionally?
As for your last sentence, I didn’t vote in favour of Brexit so I don’t think you should be addressing that to me.
And, what do you think that Labour (my new team mates) will do to stop the boats.

Opion is a typo.
Not sure what you question is.

I knew you wouldn’t respond properly.
The questions are very clear, even to you.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 24, 2024, 09:29:58 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.

Indeed.
Any opion about the current government doing f**k all about it apart from the Rwanda policy?
At least we took back control.

I’m not sure what an opion  is but to answer you question, haven’t we sent many millions of pounds to the French to get them to stop the boats being launched.
What do you think they could have done additionally?
As for your last sentence, I didn’t vote in favour of Brexit so I don’t think you should be addressing that to me.
And, what do you think that Labour (my new team mates) will do to stop the boats.

Opion is a typo.
Not sure what you question is.

I knew you wouldn’t respond properly.
The questions are very clear, even to you.

You look more than a bit of a foolish Kitson when you pock me up on a typo and then do exactly the same yourself.
Also,your questions aren't worth responding to as they are worthless.
I don't think your new team mates will consider you as much of a mate.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 24, 2024, 09:35:31 pm
It will be very interesting to see how the incoming government resolve the boats problem.

Indeed.
Any opion about the current government doing f**k all about it apart from the Rwanda policy?
At least we took back control.

I’m not sure what an opion  is but to answer you question, haven’t we sent many millions of pounds to the French to get them to stop the boats being launched.
What do you think they could have done additionally?
As for your last sentence, I didn’t vote in favour of Brexit so I don’t think you should be addressing that to me.
And, what do you think that Labour (my new team mates) will do to stop the boats.

Opion is a typo.
Not sure what you question is.

I knew you wouldn’t respond properly.
The questions are very clear, even to you.

You look more than a bit of a foolish Kitson when you pock me up on a typo and then do exactly the same yourself.
Also,your questions aren't worth responding to as they are worthless.
I don't think your new team mates will consider you as much of a mate.


“Pock me up”  :lol:
So effectively, you have nothing to offer to the thread other than to resume your offensive posts towards me.
No worries, if it makes you happy then that’s ok by me.

Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 24, 2024, 09:46:20 pm
Nevermind the thread, you have nothing to offer.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on April 24, 2024, 09:47:21 pm
 :byebye:
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: scawsby steve on April 24, 2024, 10:36:21 pm
Nevermind the thread, you have nothing to offer.

A lot of people in the South Stand would disagree with that.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 25, 2024, 12:00:53 am
Let’s get the Aussies in they know how to stop boat people Aye!

must be getting your news from chip wrappers

''Northern communities rattled after Chinese boat arrivals walked into Australia's unfenced Truscott air base''

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/chinese-boat-arrivals-air-base-western-australia/103742276


Ha Syd you do struggle emwith irony!Aye

why?

bump
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: roverstillidie91 on April 25, 2024, 10:50:17 am
This issue is weaponised by both the right and the left and both have contributed massively to the divisions it's created .

So let me get this straight...when you oppose a deliberately contentious proposition that has never been put to the electorate, it's your fault that it's divisive. Have I got that right?

It's weaponised because the Right use it to blame all the country's problems on it .

The Left stick their fingers in their ears and won't acknowledge the problem  or call everyone a bigot .

It will cost the incoming Labour government votes if they don't get on top of it because the Right will be sure to fan the flames and benefit electorally .

A solution needs to be found , not Rwanda but neither is calling everyone a bigot who doesn't much care for it a solution either .






It is a distraction technique on the real issues that are going on.

i.e. cost of living, mass privatisation, special economic zones, freeports, protest bill etc
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 25, 2024, 01:22:06 pm
If Sunak was really interested in cutting immigration, he could just not issue so many visas. The vast majority of immigrants are legal.

The vast majority of "immigrants" last year were Ukrainian refugees and feeling paying students.

If we want to send women and kids back to Putin's War, and tell foreigners who pay us £30bn a year to be educated here, let's at least be upfront about it.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on April 25, 2024, 02:56:06 pm
You could say its surprising that no one has mentioned the French and their actions/responsibilities to what in effect has concluded with this government producing this divisive policy.

If you agree with the French a policy to attempt to deal with this issue and then pay them approx 1/2 a billion to intact it would you be wrong in wanting answers as to just WTF they are doing for the outlay?

I know many on here would disagree but would the simple action of the French preventing the boat activity not act as a dampener on these "refugees" from congregating on the northern French coast in the first place and break the traffickers business model?

We all understand that worldwide requirements for referee status are increasing exponentially but this is not the way to deal with it.

Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: i_ateallthepies on April 25, 2024, 04:09:09 pm
I hope you don't work in a profession in which you have to write in English, DD.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on April 25, 2024, 07:47:57 pm
I hope you don't work in a profession in which you have to write in English, DD.

Fair enough, crap grammar and predictive text can do this.

So no comment on the actual substance of the post?

What actually was your point?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 25, 2024, 10:07:42 pm
f**k me.

https://twitter.com/StephSpyro/status/1783585417243107626

Get them out and get in a Government with a tiny pinch of basic competence.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 25, 2024, 10:41:47 pm
f**k me.

https://twitter.com/StephSpyro/status/1783585417243107626

Get them out and get in a Government with a tiny pinch of basic competence.
Well tan was confusing, he was saying that The DRC is at War with Rwanda, So how is Rwanda a safe Country to send Refugees from the DRC to ?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 25, 2024, 11:25:11 pm
f**k me.

https://twitter.com/StephSpyro/status/1783585417243107626

Get them out and get in a Government with a tiny pinch of basic competence.

Had to listen to it a second time, unbelievable
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 25, 2024, 11:36:37 pm
f**k me.

https://twitter.com/StephSpyro/status/1783585417243107626

Get them out and get in a Government with a tiny pinch of basic competence.
Well tan was confusing, he was saying that The DRC is at War with Rwanda, So how is Rwanda a safe Country to send Refugees from the DRC to ?

It was very clear what the audience member was saying.

The minister didn't appear to have a f**king clue.

Of course Rwanda isn't a safe place to report someone from DRC. But this wonderful Government of ours has overuled the Supreme Court judgement and declared by law that Rwanda is "safe".

They are a bunch of shites, f**king about at this show to satisfy ignorant racists instead of actually governing competently.

Meanwhile, the services in our country rapidly fall apart.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BobG on April 26, 2024, 12:50:43 pm
I learned, yesterday, that the Rwanda policy  is entirely based on a '1 out, 1 in' arrangement.

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1783029682754970071?s=48&t=4W-pRUT5RAEjZ4eu3LyoiQ

So, we are spending hundreds of millions  of pounds and huge legal and governmental effort to achieve a zero reduction in the number of refugees in this country.

Why might that be do you think??

The answer, of course, is obvious. It can only be a plan to spend your money and mine in an attempt to secure the general election votes of right wing zealots. Propaganda on the scale of Dr. Goebbels aided and abetted by those bastions of truth, honesty and probity in the Daily Mail, Express and other organs of the gutter press.

Oh. And note too that until we left the EU Britain had the right to return all cross Channel refugees to France. Sadly, we abandoned that right when  we chose to take back control from unelected bureaucrats. Oh. Remind me. Lord Cameron. The man in charge of the entirety of our relations with overseas nations,  including Rwanda. He was elected when?

Can anyone think why the number of refugees in this country has skyrocketed post Brexit....?


BobG
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 26, 2024, 01:26:07 pm
That's ********* Bob G, I'll copy and paste it for those that wanted control.

Farruk X

''Unelected bureaucrat David Cameron explains how we need the Rwanda plan because of Brexit  Anushka Asthana, "Hand on heart. If this had come up when you were PM, would you have gone with this Rwanda policy?"

David Cameron, "We had a situation where you could return people directly to France.. People land on a beach in Kent, you take them straight back to France.. You therefore break the model of the people smugglers"

Anushka Asthana, "Shouldn't you be trying to get that?" David Cameron, "That's not available at the moment" Anushka Asthana, "Because of Brexit?"

David Cameron, "(Yes) Because of the situation we are in (having left the EU)"

The UK has participated in the Dublin process since it was inaugurated in 1990. When the UK left the EU, the UK left the Dublin agreement and we no longer have the automatic right to return asylum seekers back to France. So Brexit was to take back control from unelected bureaucrats, and here we have David Cameron an unelected bureaucrat in charge of our foreign policy. And Brexit was about taking control of our borders and asylum seekers, and we've lost the ability to return asylum seekers to France, and instead have to spend over £1,000,000 to send asylum seekers to Rwanda, in a 1 in 1 out policy i.e. for every asylum seeker we send to Rwanda, they send us one of their asylum seekers, so we don't have fewer asylum seekers, we're just shuffling asylum seekers around.

Hundreds of millions for a PR campaign to appease racists while there is a cost of living crisis in the UK and millions of Brits living in poverty. Disgraceful''

Now that's irony aye sprot????
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BobG on April 26, 2024, 03:50:54 pm
Policy on a fag packet - by the educationally illiterate:

https://x.com/minnierahman/status/1783778395861500355

BobG
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 26, 2024, 11:59:23 pm
Prior to Brexit there was no small boats problem because they were being trafficked in by Eastern European types in Cars van and Lorries, recall you didn’t have to show any papers due to free movement, it’s why most folks voted for Brexit!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on April 27, 2024, 01:50:47 am
Before brexit those people were working and part of the economy generating wealth whereas now they are not allowed to work and not being processed properly either, creating the problem that the tories want to use as a political prop.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: tyke1962 on April 27, 2024, 11:07:58 am
Before brexit those people were working and part of the economy generating wealth whereas now they are not allowed to work and not being processed properly either, creating the problem that the tories want to use as a political prop.


Here's the thing , the Tory to Labour voters at the next election aren't probably going to be the most liberal people within the electorate .

The less well off aren't the most liberal people either .

Small boats and mass legal immigration are pretty high value issues in the UK today .

The Right have turned against the Tories because they've failed to do what they promised to do with regards to reducing immigration , in fact they've done the exact opposite and increased it .

So whilst the Conservative Party may well get a good kicking at the GE the voters are still out there .

The Metropolitan Labour voters or the Luxury Belief class aren't keeping you in power .

The stigma attached with previous  Labour governments with regard to mass immigration or open borders  and the next Labour government not getting on top of things spells disaster .

Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on April 27, 2024, 02:48:45 pm
Whilst I understand how immigration is a highly charged issue across the board, humanitarian parties and commentators can effect this in at least two ways.

First, it is something that plays into that base human condition of us v them, of others. This isn't something that will be changed but can be understood and to a degree be de-propagandised and reframed. Many have tried to do this but the effort could be stronger, more consistent, made much clearer. Repetition and focus works.

The second is by picking on a few other highly charged issues and repeating the positive policies in a very simple way eg the cycle of poverty, inequality, motivation, universal support, removing ludicrous tax evasion of the very rich. These are things that most people relate to, agree with, but are fooled by the propaganda from the MSM and elites.

One aspect of the immigration issue I rarely see mentioned is how this is going to increase massively over coming years, decades. Well managed integration is what is needed for migrants ten times what we currently have. That and an aid budget that helps stem the tide back in the homelands of those migrants. Very simply, poverty = population increase. Add that to global warming and we have huge migration issues down the pipeline. That is something that wll over complicate the current arguments but will have to happen very very soon.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: roverstillidie91 on April 27, 2024, 04:04:09 pm
f**k me.

https://twitter.com/StephSpyro/status/1783585417243107626

Get them out and get in a Government with a tiny pinch of basic competence.
Well tan was confusing, he was saying that The DRC is at War with Rwanda, So how is Rwanda a safe Country to send Refugees from the DRC to ?

It was very clear what the audience member was saying.

The minister didn't appear to have a f**king clue.

Of course Rwanda isn't a safe place to report someone from DRC. But this wonderful Government of ours has overuled the Supreme Court judgement and declared by law that Rwanda is "safe".

They are a bunch of shites, f**king about at this show to satisfy ignorant racists instead of actually governing competently.

Meanwhile, the services in our country rapidly fall apart.
Things about to get a whole lot worse and that includes an incoming labour government.

This is all about trying to abolish ECHR.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: DonnyOsmond on April 27, 2024, 06:27:39 pm
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1784253719393034379?t=JfB1n1C2Q9x1tqODoeQasw&s=19

Depends on what you want the policy to do Rishi, if you want it to deter boats to save lives, no it's not done that, you've given them a further journey so probably more peril. If you just want less foreigners then yeah job well done.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on April 28, 2024, 03:03:06 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/28/ireland-plans-to-send-asylum-seekers-back-to-uk-under-emergency-law

"A spokesperson for Harris said he did not comment on the migration policies of other countries but that to protect the integrity of Ireland’s migration system he had asked the justice minister to bring proposals regarding the designation of safe third countries and allowing the return of inadmissible international protection applicants to the UK.

Tinpot country, You can't have your cake and eat it.



Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 28, 2024, 09:42:27 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/28/ireland-plans-to-send-asylum-seekers-back-to-uk-under-emergency-law

"A spokesperson for Harris said he did not comment on the migration policies of other countries but that to protect the integrity of Ireland’s migration system he had asked the justice minister to bring proposals regarding the designation of safe third countries and allowing the return of inadmissible international protection applicants to the UK.

Tinpot country, You can't have your cake and eat it.




Same on this article
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2vw51eggwqo

Ritchie Sunak claimed it is proof the Rwanda Policy is working! 80% of Eires asylum seekers have crossed from Northern Ireland bu surely not in the last 2 days!. UK is right to tell Eire we will not be accepting any returned Refugees until the EU allows the UK to return Refugees entering the UK via France!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BobG on April 29, 2024, 12:47:45 pm
Snag is Sproty, it was Britain that withdrews from the 1990 Dublin Agreement which gave it the right to send migrants back to France. The decision to abandon that right had f**k all to do with the EU. It was an entirely British decision. If we chose to give it up what sorrt of perverted logic now suggests that Britain can today hold a pistol to the head of the EU to allow us to send migrants back to France?

Frankly, it's a risible idea.


BobG
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on April 29, 2024, 04:45:46 pm
Snag is Sproty, it was Britain that withdrews from the 1990 Dublin Agreement which gave it the right to send migrants back to France. The decision to abandon that right had f**k all to do with the EU. It was an entirely British decision. If we chose to give it up what sorrt of perverted logic now suggests that Britain can today hold a pistol to the head of the EU to allow us to send migrants back to France?

Frankly, it's a risible idea.


BobG
They got rid because it was useless how many actually got returned?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on April 29, 2024, 07:57:16 pm
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?



Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on April 29, 2024, 08:50:52 pm
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?

Daily Mail editorial rant bingo!
Full house.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: River Don on April 30, 2024, 12:00:49 am
If Sunak was really interested in cutting immigration, he could just not issue so many visas. The vast majority of immigrants are legal.

The vast majority of "immigrants" last year were Ukrainian refugees and feeling paying students.

If we want to send women and kids back to Putin's War, and tell foreigners who pay us £30bn a year to be educated here, let's at least be upfront about it.

The ONS has this to say.

In the YE June 2023, the top five non-EU nationalities for immigration flows into the UK were: Indian (253,000), Nigerian (141,000), Chinese (89,000), Pakistani (55,000) and Ukrainian (35,000).

I do think though, we should not really be including students in the numbers.

And the majority of asylum seekers are granted asylum. Which gives a different perspective.

Sunak wants a trade deal with India which will see migration from India grow. So, perhaps he's not really so concerned about the level of immigration really?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on April 30, 2024, 12:47:03 am
If Sunak was really interested in cutting immigration, he could just not issue so many visas. The vast majority of immigrants are legal.

The vast majority of "immigrants" last year were Ukrainian refugees and feeling paying students.

If we want to send women and kids back to Putin's War, and tell foreigners who pay us £30bn a year to be educated here, let's at least be upfront about it.

The ONS has this to say.

In the YE June 2023, the top five non-EU nationalities for immigration flows into the UK were: Indian (253,000), Nigerian (141,000), Chinese (89,000), Pakistani (55,000) and Ukrainian (35,000).

I do think though, we should not really be including students in the numbers.

And the majority of asylum seekers are granted asylum. Which gives a different perspective.

Sunak wants a trade deal with India which will see migration from India grow. So, perhaps he's not really so concerned about the level of immigration really?

Bang on RD. Of course we shouldn't be including temporary student visitors as "immigrants".

But the latest news from the bunch of Kitsons in power is that they are going to massively reduce the number of visas given to students. And hence cost the country a fair chunk of the £30bn we earn annually from one of our most successful export sectors.

They genuinely do not give a f**k about the state of the country. If they do end up doing this, it is for one reason. To take the easy route to get "immigration" figures down and satisfy thick racists who might otherwise vote for Farage.

Count the days until we hoy the bas**rds out.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on April 30, 2024, 06:03:02 pm
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?

Daily Mail editorial rant bingo!
Full house.

Why would a daft old bed wetter like you keep coming on here with absolutely nothing to add to any conversation whatsoever?

What's the point of you?


Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on May 01, 2024, 07:28:39 pm
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?

Daily Mail editorial rant bingo!
Full house.

Why would a daft old bed wetter like you keep coming on here with absolutely nothing to add to any conversation whatsoever?

What's the point of you?

Fantastic put down . I would of thought you would of tried to appeal to the demographic of your Daily Mail followers,but two have the daft c#nts liked it!
Ha,ha.
I hoped you would of responded in a better way,but I would of been a bit have a bed wetter to of fort that.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 01, 2024, 08:13:11 pm
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?

Daily Mail editorial rant bingo!
Full house.

Why would a daft old bed wetter like you keep coming on here with absolutely nothing to add to any conversation whatsoever?

What's the point of you?

Fantastic put down . I would of thought you would of tried to appeal to the demographic of your Daily Mail followers,but two have the daft c#nts liked it!
Ha,ha.
I hoped you would of responded in a better way,but I would of been a bit have a bed wetter to of fort that.

Anyone decipher this into English?

No, me neither!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bentley Bullet on May 01, 2024, 08:26:35 pm
https://youtu.be/ZUlZpEPuhD8?si=7nN9Ad7r6pnqI1dd
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Colemans Left Hook on May 02, 2024, 02:29:14 am
it must be safe if Arsenal say so - and Starmer supports Arse-nal
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: i_ateallthepies on May 02, 2024, 07:44:06 am
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?

Daily Mail editorial rant bingo!
Full house.

Why would a daft old bed wetter like you keep coming on here with absolutely nothing to add to any conversation whatsoever?

What's the point of you?

Fantastic put down . I would of thought you would of tried to appeal to the demographic of your Daily Mail followers,but two have the daft c#nts liked it!
Ha,ha.
I hoped you would of responded in a better way,but I would of been a bit have a bed wetter to of fort that.

Anyone decipher this into English?

No, me neither!

Whoosh!  He's mocking your destruction of the english language, DD.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 02, 2024, 11:16:57 am
Really surprised (not really)that all the usual suspects have gone very quite on this.

No one has anything to say about the racist Irish?

It looks like the EU's shrills have been kicked in the nuts and no one in the EU gives a f*uck

So it seems all our lefties are quite happy for the "asylum seekers" to trundle over the open border into the Republic

What's that German word that basically means a kick in the balls?

Daily Mail editorial rant bingo!
Full house.

Why would a daft old bed wetter like you keep coming on here with absolutely nothing to add to any conversation whatsoever?

What's the point of you?

Fantastic put down . I would of thought you would of tried to appeal to the demographic of your Daily Mail followers,but two have the daft c#nts liked it!
Ha,ha.
I hoped you would of responded in a better way,but I would of been a bit have a bed wetter to of fort that.

Anyone decipher this into English?

No, me neither!

Whoosh!  He's mocking your destruction of the english language, DD.

Adds nothing to any discussion, comes across as some sad old weirdo.

Totally irrelevant and pointless.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: i_ateallthepies on May 02, 2024, 12:42:54 pm
Try showing readers on here a bit more respect and put some effort into your writing and then you may get more agreeable responses.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bentley Bullet on May 02, 2024, 01:00:53 pm
Try showing readers on here a bit more respect and put some effort into your writing and then you may get more agreeable responses.
How can you defend someone as downright disrespectful as Iberian Red by advising his critics to show more respect?

unless this is a whoosh moment and you're having a larf?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 02, 2024, 05:35:55 pm
Try showing readers on here a bit more respect and put some effort into your writing and then you may get more agreeable responses.

Your going to have to help me out here pies, if you can demonstrate to me and show me where i've instigated a disrespectful post then i will quite rightly hold my hands up and apologise to anyone.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: i_ateallthepies on May 02, 2024, 05:55:39 pm
My comment was only in response to you reckoning not to understand Iberian Red's post which was about your lazy insistence in writing 'of' in place of 'have'.  My remark about respect was that to make your contributions on here more difficult to read just for the sake of using the correct word is disrespectful to anyone reading what you write.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 02, 2024, 07:03:33 pm
My comment was only in response to you reckoning not to understand Iberian Red's post which was about your lazy insistence in writing 'of' in place of 'have'.  My remark about respect was that to make your contributions on here more difficult to read just for the sake of using the correct word is disrespectful to anyone reading what you write.

As above your going to have to point out these grammatic errors because i'm not seeing them.

Your talking as if i'm doing this on a regular basis, care to show me?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on May 02, 2024, 08:54:25 pm
Grammatical - just saying :-)
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 02, 2024, 10:15:50 pm
Grammatical - just saying :-)

Did it on purpose to see who would correct me this time!!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on May 02, 2024, 11:20:35 pm
Oh no !!! it’s ‘The Grammar Police’ !a Tardy bunch of Rascals who get sexual gratification out of ‘Dotting the I’s and crossing the ‘T’s on other Peoples post’s nearly as disreputable as Viz Comic’s ‘Bottom Inspectors’
But not quite!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 04, 2024, 11:29:33 am
Remember how the UK Supreme Court ruled that Rwanda wasn't a safe place for refugees?

Remember how this shit show of a ruling party responded by simply passing a law to make it illegal to claim that Rwanda wasn't safe for refugees?

https://x.com/sundersays/status/1786669612269990390
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Ldr on May 04, 2024, 12:04:06 pm
Remember how the UK Supreme Court ruled that Rwanda wasn't a safe place for refugees?

Remember how this shit show of a ruling party responded by simply passing a law to make it illegal to claim that Rwanda wasn't safe for refugees?

https://x.com/sundersays/status/1786669612269990390

All that says is Congo isn’t a safe country
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 04, 2024, 12:35:28 pm
1) Goma is literally right on the Rwanda border. The boundary fence of Goma airport is the border with Rwanda.

2) There is continuous fighting going on in Goma, part sponsored by Rwanda which occasionally spills into Rwandan territory.

3) Even if none of that mattered, the fact that the Rwandan government is sponsoring fatal attacks on refugee camps speaks volumes of their attitude towards the rights of refugees, and shines a light on the law that our Govt passed making it illegal for any Govt employee or body to question the edict that Rwanda is "safe".
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Ldr on May 04, 2024, 12:46:53 pm
So point 3, given we supply funding and aid for various wars around the world. You would agree that we should not be a safe country for refugees then?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 04, 2024, 02:12:41 pm
So point 3, given we supply funding and aid for various wars around the world. You would agree that we should not be a safe country for refugees then?

What funding do we supply for armed groups that kill refugees?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: bpoolrover on May 04, 2024, 03:29:23 pm
Its easy to say dont send them to rwanda.but what options are there? Labour say will stop the criminal gangs and speed the process up, unless you imprison them they will just vanish never to be seen again so that wont work
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 04, 2024, 03:45:25 pm
Bpool.

Take a moment and explain to me how spending the thick end of a billion quid on a crackpot scheme that MIGHT at a push remove one arrival in fifty is going to work.

The whole f**king plan is for it NOT to work and to blame Woke for it not working.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Ldr on May 04, 2024, 03:55:41 pm
So point 3, given we supply funding and aid for various wars around the world. You would agree that we should not be a safe country for refugees then?

What funding do we supply for armed groups that kill refugees?

Depends, sure there’s ppl on here that would happily point out instances of say the IDF or Ukrainian forces killing refuges
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: ravenrover on May 04, 2024, 04:04:31 pm
Even Cruella is now saying the current Rwanda scheme wont work........... now that is saying something!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Ldr on May 04, 2024, 04:06:21 pm
Even Cruella is now saying the current Rwanda scheme wont work........... now that is saying something!

Course it won’t work, it’s a reactionary policy like most of them from this risible government
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: bpoolrover on May 04, 2024, 05:00:45 pm
Bpool.

Take a moment and explain to me how spending the thick end of a billion quid on a crackpot scheme that MIGHT at a push remove one arrival in fifty is going to work.

The whole f**king plan is for it NOT to work and to blame Woke for it not working.
im not saying it will work im saying there is no one else coming up with any other credible option
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on May 04, 2024, 07:38:39 pm
 :scarf:.
Bpool.

Take a moment and explain to me how spending the thick end of a billion quid on a crackpot scheme that MIGHT at a push remove one arrival in fifty is going to work.

The whole f**king plan is for it NOT to work and to blame Woke for it not working.
im not saying it will work im saying there is no one else coming up with any other credible option

Easy to criticise when in opposition but what are they going to do when in power in a few months.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 04, 2024, 08:11:42 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on May 04, 2024, 08:59:53 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Pancho Regan on May 04, 2024, 09:41:41 pm
Congo is a different country to Rwanda, right?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 04, 2024, 11:15:42 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 05, 2024, 02:16:41 am
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.

If you really were interested in this, you could read up on what Labour's policy is.

Why don't you? Instead of spouting your tired shite in here?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: drfchound on May 05, 2024, 02:36:54 am
Which version should he read though because it changes fairly often.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Bentley Bullet on May 05, 2024, 08:54:06 am
It doesn't matter what policy the Labour government deploys, even if they continue with the Tory strategy it'll suddenly become the right approach by the "As Long As It's Labour" brigade.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: River Don on May 05, 2024, 04:16:58 pm
Congo is a different country to Rwanda, right?

Umbongo, Umbongo they drink it in... Rwanda?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on May 05, 2024, 04:27:32 pm
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 05, 2024, 04:44:31 pm
https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1787106308623110493

Christ up above.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 05, 2024, 05:24:36 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.

If you really were interested in this, you could read up on what Labour's policy is.

Why don't you? Instead of spouting your tired shite in here?

Looks to me like your rattled old lad, i wonder why that is.

Could it just be the realisation that the drone that is Starmer may just not quite have it all his own way as they were believing.

As stated by others I'd love to look up any Labour policy because if its not changing like the weather its a rare as rocking horse shit, could just be that it's all a busted flush but they will have to produce something to hold up to the electorate eventually, if they can ever make a decision.

Never mind BST, only a few more months to suffer for your sins, you never know it might just have been worth it.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on May 05, 2024, 06:12:38 pm
https://twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1787106308623110493

Christ up above.

What kind of daft Kitson would buy that rag?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 05, 2024, 06:15:46 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.

If you really were interested in this, you could read up on what Labour's policy is.

Why don't you? Instead of spouting your tired shite in here?

Looks to me like your rattled old lad, i wonder why that is.

Could it just be the realisation that the drone that is Starmer may just not quite have it all his own way as they were believing.

As stated by others I'd love to look up any Labour policy because if its not changing like the weather its a rare as rocking horse shit, could just be that it's all a busted flush but they will have to produce something to hold up to the electorate eventually, if they can ever make a decision.

Never mind BST, only a few more months to suffer for your sins, you never know it might just have been worth it.

Not rattled at all. I'm just fed up with presenting facts to you and having you ignore them. I figured if YOU actually do the work of looking for facts, it'd be good for you. How wrong I was.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 05, 2024, 07:32:06 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.

If you really were interested in this, you could read up on what Labour's policy is.

Why don't you? Instead of spouting your tired shite in here?

Looks to me like your rattled old lad, i wonder why that is.

Could it just be the realisation that the drone that is Starmer may just not quite have it all his own way as they were believing.

As stated by others I'd love to look up any Labour policy because if its not changing like the weather its a rare as rocking horse shit, could just be that it's all a busted flush but they will have to produce something to hold up to the electorate eventually, if they can ever make a decision.

Never mind BST, only a few more months to suffer for your sins, you never know it might just have been worth it.

Not rattled at all. I'm just fed up with presenting facts to you and having you ignore them. I figured if YOU actually do the work of looking for facts, it'd be good for you. How wrong I was.

You post may have had more gravitas if you were spouting your "facts" when they actually are facts.

As far as i'm aware Labour are yet to take power, when they do then your facts may actually become facts, that's if Starmer has the minerals to actually stick to any of any significance.

You never know he may just surprise us all.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on May 05, 2024, 08:24:30 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.

If you really were interested in this, you could read up on what Labour's policy is.

Why don't you? Instead of spouting your tired shite in here?

Looks to me like your rattled old lad, i wonder why that is.

Could it just be the realisation that the drone that is Starmer may just not quite have it all his own way as they were believing.

As stated by others I'd love to look up any Labour policy because if its not changing like the weather its a rare as rocking horse shit, could just be that it's all a busted flush but they will have to produce something to hold up to the electorate eventually, if they can ever make a decision.

Never mind BST, only a few more months to suffer for your sins, you never know it might just have been worth it.

Not rattled at all. I'm just fed up with presenting facts to you and having you ignore them. I figured if YOU actually do the work of looking for facts, it'd be good for you. How wrong I was.

You post may have had more gravitas if you were spouting your "facts" when they actually are facts.

As far as i'm aware Labour are yet to take power, when they do then your facts may actually become facts, that's if Starmer has the minerals to actually stick to any of any significance.

You never know he may just surprise us all.

How strange.

You appear to support a government that promised the world to the electorate and haven't delivered any of it,but criticise the opposition(with phrases like ginger gob) when they haven't had a chance.
It's like you're living in a wet dream.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on May 05, 2024, 08:52:12 pm
I will ask again!
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Iberian Red on May 05, 2024, 09:50:47 pm
I will ask again!
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!

Is that an echo parrot?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: danumdon on May 05, 2024, 10:24:07 pm
Does anyone know what the Labour party policy is on illegal immigration?

Would love to know, just in case it changes for something else after the election!

Could you please enlighten me on what the current government have as a policy?

Whatever it is it's working perfectly.



No one particularly cares about the current government policy as they will very soon be toast.

What we all want to know is what the incoming government will have as a policy, and if its any good, people may just want to vote for it.

Who knows? they may just expand on what this government is attempting to do.

If you really were interested in this, you could read up on what Labour's policy is.

Why don't you? Instead of spouting your tired shite in here?

Looks to me like your rattled old lad, i wonder why that is.

Could it just be the realisation that the drone that is Starmer may just not quite have it all his own way as they were believing.

As stated by others I'd love to look up any Labour policy because if its not changing like the weather its a rare as rocking horse shit, could just be that it's all a busted flush but they will have to produce something to hold up to the electorate eventually, if they can ever make a decision.

Never mind BST, only a few more months to suffer for your sins, you never know it might just have been worth it.

Not rattled at all. I'm just fed up with presenting facts to you and having you ignore them. I figured if YOU actually do the work of looking for facts, it'd be good for you. How wrong I was.

You post may have had more gravitas if you were spouting your "facts" when they actually are facts.

As far as i'm aware Labour are yet to take power, when they do then your facts may actually become facts, that's if Starmer has the minerals to actually stick to any of any significance.

You never know he may just surprise us all.

How strange.

You appear to support a government that promised the world to the electorate and haven't delivered any of it,but criticise the opposition(with phrases like ginger gob) when they haven't had a chance.
It's like you're living in a wet dream.



It seems you appear to not have a scooby, if you actually read anyone's posts before trolling them you would know that i haven't and don't support this government.

I'm criticising the opposition because they appear to me and many others as a clusless bunch of grifters who are thrashing about trying to find some sort of difference from this failed government but actually can never agree on anything unless it's to rehash some crap old policy that this government has already discarded.

For a party that's odds on to form the next government they have demonstrated nothing to make me think they will be making a difference bar possibly raiding taxpayers (just like the present government) for more money to waste. In fact it seems the only policy that they have yet to abandon is to ensure the squeezed middle  gets an additional tax burden to pay for all their commitments.

I don't know about anybody else but i'm sick of incompetent governments emptying my pay into their coffers. We've had plenty from a party that's supposed to be prudent with taxpayers money, so i dread to think about what Starmer and Reeves will do to people's taxes when they get the chance.

We don't know too much about what this Labour party's priorities are going to be because they don't know themselves, but one thing we will all know is that they will manage to squeeze more taxes off the working man, this will be a banker.

If the last 14 years have been awful let's just wait to see what these envious grifters can muster.

We can guarantee it won't be nice.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: wilts rover on May 05, 2024, 11:03:14 pm
The refugee/migrant/deportee given £3000 of taxpapyers money & flown at taxpayers expense to Rwanda last week appears to have already disappeared:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1895779/rwanda-migrants-uk-hotel-empty
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on May 05, 2024, 11:12:01 pm
I will ask again!
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!

This is a guerilla insurgency in DRC, part funded by Rwanda. I assume you know how asymmetric warfare can go?
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on May 05, 2024, 11:50:37 pm
I will ask again!
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!

This is a guerilla insurgency in DRC, part funded by Rwanda. I assume you know how asymmetric warfare can go?
So the person who asked the question? I assume they are a Tutsi and Linked to the M23 faction in conflict with the DRC in which case sending him to Rwanda is a completely safe option because he would be safe with his fellow Tutsi’s and if he isn’t a Tutsi WTF are we not deporting him back to his 99% safe vast homeland the DRC!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: wilts rover on May 06, 2024, 09:14:27 am
I will ask again!
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!

This is a guerilla insurgency in DRC, part funded by Rwanda. I assume you know how asymmetric warfare can go?
So the person who asked the question? I assume they are a Tutsi and Linked to the M23 faction in conflict with the DRC in which case sending him to Rwanda is a completely safe option because he would be safe with his fellow Tutsi’s and if he isn’t a Tutsi WTF are we not deporting him back to his 99% safe vast homeland the DRC!

Sproty making wild assumptions based on prejudice rather than fact.

What a surprise.
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: Sprotyrover on May 06, 2024, 11:13:44 am
I will ask again!
So can anybody tell me how little Rwanda population 12 million is kicking the Sh*t out of the Dem Rep of Congo Population 105 million!
Also how come the 2nd largest country by size in Africa can’t look after ‘refugees’ from a minor conflict near Rwanda I can’t see how Poor little Rwanda can fund an allegedly massive war next door! Somebody is taking the Pish!

This is a guerilla insurgency in DRC, part funded by Rwanda. I assume you know how asymmetric warfare can go?
So the person who asked the question? I assume they are a Tutsi and Linked to the M23 faction in conflict with the DRC in which case sending him to Rwanda is a completely safe option because he would be safe with his fellow Tutsi’s and if he isn’t a Tutsi WTF are we not deporting him back to his 99% safe vast homeland the DRC!

Sproty making wild assumptions based on prejudice rather than fact.

What a surprise.
Wilts kindly explain your Post you seem to be alleging I am some sort of Bigot which I am not!
I am fed up of lefty Libertine posters on here ‘playing the ‘Race’ Card etc when somebody posts something they don’t agree with!
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: SydneyRover on May 07, 2024, 01:00:10 pm
F*cking hell, Rwandans are making their way to OZ now.

''Five men in custody after ‘unauthorised’ crossing into Australia through Torres Strait
Australian Border Force officers picked up the men, believed to be Rwandan nationals, on Saibai Island, near Papua New Guinea''

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/07/australian-border-force-arrest-men-rwanda-saibai-island-torrest-strait-papua-new-guinea
Title: Re: Rwanda policy
Post by: albie on May 10, 2024, 05:48:07 pm
So the Rwanda policy is to be replaced by a focus on the criminal gangs under Labour then.

Good that the loony Rwanda scheme is to be discontinued, but the Labour proposal misses the "safe routes" that NGO's have been calling for.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/refugee-groups-accuse-starmer-doubling-down-tories-hostile-rhetoric-labour-leader
Maybe the important detail will follow on from the headline announcement bracketing asylum claims with terrorism!

Starmer gave no real discussion of providing safe routes and legal passage as the most effective tool to undermine the economy of the small boat crossings;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1788869044872904704/pu/vid/avc1/720x720/wesj_sBmFylPqRxo.mp4?tag=12

Boats won't be stopped by "smashing the gangs", in the same way that the drug trade is not stopped by the "war on drugs".
More empty words from an empty suit!