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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 11, 2019, 10:52:31 pmQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on October 11, 2019, 08:38:51 pmCentre midfield is the main problem we just can't move the ball at all. Think the 3 at the back suits us better to get possession higher up the pitch at the moment we struggle to build anything. Didn't expect Rice to make the team after the last set of internationals he was poor then This.Trouble is, you could have said it at any time in the past 50 years and it would be equally as applicable, other than maybe for a few weeks when Platt and Gascoigne were at their peak.We have never ever produced central midfields with the ability to dominate possession and unpick defences against the very best.Germany, France, Holland, Italy, Argentina, Brazil and more lately, Spain produce those midfields once a decade or so, over and over and over again.We produce Frank Lampard and Steve Gerrard and Declan Rice and Ross Barkley and tell ourselves we are punching at the same level.Scholes would’ve walked into any of those national sides
Quote from: sedwardsdrfc on October 11, 2019, 08:38:51 pmCentre midfield is the main problem we just can't move the ball at all. Think the 3 at the back suits us better to get possession higher up the pitch at the moment we struggle to build anything. Didn't expect Rice to make the team after the last set of internationals he was poor then This.Trouble is, you could have said it at any time in the past 50 years and it would be equally as applicable, other than maybe for a few weeks when Platt and Gascoigne were at their peak.We have never ever produced central midfields with the ability to dominate possession and unpick defences against the very best.Germany, France, Holland, Italy, Argentina, Brazil and more lately, Spain produce those midfields once a decade or so, over and over and over again.We produce Frank Lampard and Steve Gerrard and Declan Rice and Ross Barkley and tell ourselves we are punching at the same level.
Centre midfield is the main problem we just can't move the ball at all. Think the 3 at the back suits us better to get possession higher up the pitch at the moment we struggle to build anything. Didn't expect Rice to make the team after the last set of internationals he was poor then
This thread is laughable. This England side has been on an upward trajectory since GS took over. One poor performance and everyone is all over them. Are they the best team in the world? No, far from it, but they have done ok in recent times.
World class players.Terry, Ferdinand, Ashely Cole, Gerrard, Scholars, Beckham, Rooney. Currently closest is Kane and Sterling.
Quote from: Padge_DRFC on October 12, 2019, 04:54:46 pmWorld class players.Terry, Ferdinand, Ashely Cole, Gerrard, Scholars, Beckham, Rooney. Currently closest is Kane and Sterling. John Terry and Ashley Cole world class??!!My God! That's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.Gerrard was never world class. He was a good Premier League player who played for a team who never even won the league! Even Beckham himself admitted he was never world class. Scholes was a good player, maybe the best midfielder of his time, but I'm talking proper 'world class' like Ronaldo and Messi (as I said)Sterling will never be world class as long as his bottom points downwards. Obviously all in my opinion
Quote from: Padge_DRFC on October 12, 2019, 04:54:46 pmWorld class players.Terry, Ferdinand, Ashely Cole, Gerrard, Scholars, Beckham, Rooney. Currently closest is Kane and Sterling. And that post sums up why we never get close to competing at the very top.We don't produce crops of truly top class players but we convince ourselves that we do.
I’m not sure stating what your team wins or doesn’t win is a good way to gage a world class player. Ronaldo or messi have never won a World Cup but are the best two players to ever play the game
Quote from: mrfrostsdad on October 12, 2019, 07:58:10 pmQuote from: Padge_DRFC on October 12, 2019, 04:54:46 pmWorld class players.Terry, Ferdinand, Ashely Cole, Gerrard, Scholars, Beckham, Rooney. Currently closest is Kane and Sterling. John Terry and Ashley Cole world class??!!My God! That's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.Gerrard was never world class. He was a good Premier League player who played for a team who never even won the league! Even Beckham himself admitted he was never world class. Scholes was a good player, maybe the best midfielder of his time, but I'm talking proper 'world class' like Ronaldo and Messi (as I said)Sterling will never be world class as long as his bottom points downwards. Obviously all in my opinionAshley Cole was the best left back in the world at his peak without question .The team who left these shores in 2006 to play in the world cup was probably the most talented squad we've assembled since 1970 .Ferdinand , Terry , Cole , Scholes , Gerrard , Lampard , Beckham , Joe Cole , Owen and Rooney .Should have made the final as a minimum .
A lot of self appointed experts here on who was and wasn't a world class player. Let's remind ourselves that before Messi and Ronaldo came along Alan Shearer was voted the third best player in the world in 1996, David Beckham 2nd best in the world in 1999 and 2001, Michael Owen best player in the world in 2001, and Lampard and Gerrard 2nd and 3rd in 2005. Fair enough I don't always agree with these FIFA award things but to say we don't produce any world class players is cobblers.