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So saying sorry makes it right does it, innocent people children have been blown up but sorry is ok, he should not be a mp with sick comments like that!
Quote from: bpoolrover on July 13, 2018, 11:57:28 pmSo saying sorry makes it right does it, innocent people children have been blown up but sorry is ok, he should not be a mp with sick comments like that!Move on poolie please , I have a lot of sympathy with your stance on this matter but I think you have now made your point in the strongest terms .There are many MPS and MEPS that have far more baggage in terms of previous statements made, beliefs held etc....
Quote from: bpoolrover on July 13, 2018, 11:57:28 pmSo saying sorry makes it right does it, innocent people children have been blown up but sorry is ok, he should not be a mp with sick comments like that!You had best tell that to the people who voted for him.You should also concentrate your mind on matters which are far more important to people in the UK (NI in particular) today and have a good think on what the consequences of your views are.
Wilts & HoolaMany thanks for your responses re Northern Ireland, and by the way I was not correcting anyone, just giving an opinion. I hadn’t seen the more recent poll which is indeed alarming from my point of view.I am by nature easily alarmed by such things, despite all the reassuring by my wife, her family and friends over here. But we live in Bangor, sufficiently far from the current fault lines, and maybe we are a bit complacent.My gut feeling is that as the spectre of hard or no deal Brexit increases (be it for real or for negotiating purposes) then confidence in an open border and soft Brexit erodes, meaning more people are starting to think a United Ireland is a better idea. Nevertheless I stand by my opinion that the level of community support for province wide coordinated violence is simply no longer there, and although things can spiral quickly, no-one wants to return to that. It will be interesting to see what happens after the 12th fortnight marching season disappears in the rear view mirror. If things do not quieten down I will be less complacent for sure.I would be interested in the views of anyone else on here who lives in or regularly visits Northern Ireland.Edit: P.S. Many thanks, but I am most definitely not ‘statistician in chief’ on here - in my eyes that title is strictly reserved for The Red Baron.
A bit like brexit which is what people voted for but your not saying that's ok?
Quote from: bpoolrover on July 14, 2018, 05:44:42 pmA bit like brexit which is what people voted for but your not saying that's ok?There you go again Blackpool, distorting and twisting the conversation to your own view, we have established beyond doubt that those voting to leave have been deceived and humiliated by various nefarious entities od which gave an honest appraisal of the real picture even if they could. Which is why May doesnt know her arse from her elbow when it comes to which idiot to back in her own party.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 15, 2018, 07:44:01 amQuote from: bpoolrover on July 14, 2018, 05:44:42 pmA bit like brexit which is what people voted for but your not saying that's ok?There you go again Blackpool, distorting and twisting the conversation to your own view, we have established beyond doubt that those voting to leave have been deceived and humiliated by various nefarious entities od which gave an honest appraisal of the real picture even if they could. Which is why May doesnt know her arse from her elbow when it comes to which idiot to back in her own party.Sadly despite all the warnings , statistics and comments on these 63 pages bpool and others still continue to peddle their nonsense ( rarely if ever based on facts ) ; what's more they continue when asked a direct question to answer with a daft question. It is obvious what we Remainers would do , we would keep what we've got with a view that our leaders would fight for change where necessary. Those same leaders would actually use the sensible powers they currently don't exercise over our immigration policy and in other areas of contention seeking to resolve these issues with the help of others where possible.My personal hope, as an avowed Europhile, was ALWAYS that our voice in Europe would be a constructive one at every level , particularly at MEP level - an area of governance that was sadly misused . Years of poor representation followed , when increasingly our UKIP MEPs, in particular, sought to fight and destroy the EU rather than look after the interests of 100% of their electorate responsibly . I 'get' that there were intrinsic weaknesses in the EU project however those weaknesses were always far far outweighed by all the good that has been brought to the people of Europe - peace, prosperity, stability, ease of trade and movement of people for work, pleasure and retirement. Underpinning all of the above was a structure no less accountable, democratic or unwieldy than our own governed by a rule of law and decent standards that we can all recognise . Against this I ask once again " Leavers " you offer what exactly ?
what are remainers thoughts on the EU holding us back from trade deals with the rest of the world?
Quote from: Padge_DRFC on July 15, 2018, 11:25:16 amwhat are remainers thoughts on the EU holding us back from trade deals with the rest of the world?It's clearly b*llocks as 55% of our trade is already done with the rest of the world! It clearly also doesn't hold other EU countries back as Germany does a huge amount of trade with China for instance. Last year their trade with China was 186 billion euros against our 60 billion euros.
A question about the bottom link Sydney, now those figures might be right I have no idea but how can they be perticulary accurate when no 1 knows what trade deals we will or won’t get?
An interesting intervention from a Tory Remainer.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44840154Although I think her idea of a three-option Referendum is for the birds, I do accept her point that there doesn't appear to be a consensus in Parliament for any option. In that case some kind of Referendum on the final deal agreed with the EU might be the only way to break the log-jam.Although the options would have to be binary. Leave with the deal or Leave with No Deal or, Leave with the deal or Remain.
If it isn't binary it will cause a lot of confusion and probably will end up with a three-way split. I would have thought Remainers would be more likely to vote for the least-worst option. It's the Leavers who are more likely to call for boycotts (just because it's a second vote that we were told wouldn't happen).It is probably not going to happen but until there is some sort of consensus in Parliament around what deal is acceptable, I can't see a lot of alternatives. Maybe we will end up with No-Deal Brexit simply because no-one can agree on an alternative.
What would happen if people voted leave with no deal would you accept that thou or demand a 3rd referendum?