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Isn't Private Eye a satirical magazine or am I missing something here?
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 13, 2021, 11:05:20 amThing is in India it’s clearly obvious that the numbers they are reporting are untrueTell us the true ones and I'll believe you.
Thing is in India it’s clearly obvious that the numbers they are reporting are untrue
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:18:47 pmIsn't Private Eye a satirical magazine or am I missing something here?It is a satirical magazine, and what you're missing is satire should play no serious part in a serious discussion, especially when its agenda biased.
Quote from: River Don on May 13, 2021, 10:21:10 amhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/covid-variant-found-in-india-may-delay-lifting-of-england-restrictions-minister-admits again rd I think most people are dubious that restrictions will be lifted on the 21st of June, let’s get to that stage 1st and see how it goes, if any variant is found to avoid the vaccine then yes we will have to lockdown again
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/covid-variant-found-in-india-may-delay-lifting-of-england-restrictions-minister-admits
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 12:27:12 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:18:47 pmIsn't Private Eye a satirical magazine or am I missing something here?It is a satirical magazine, and what you're missing is satire should play no serious part in a serious discussion, especially when its agenda biased.If you don't mind me sayin' that's a bit rich coming from you.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:18:47 pmIsn't Private Eye a satirical magazine or am I missing something here?It is a satirical magazine, and what you're missing is satire should play no serious part in a serious discussion, especially when its agenda biased.
Isn't Private Eye a satirical magazine or am I missing something here?
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 13, 2021, 10:40:36 amQuote from: River Don on May 13, 2021, 10:21:10 amhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/covid-variant-found-in-india-may-delay-lifting-of-england-restrictions-minister-admits again rd I think most people are dubious that restrictions will be lifted on the 21st of June, let’s get to that stage 1st and see how it goes, if any variant is found to avoid the vaccine then yes we will have to lockdown again I still think, given the nature of the beast, it makes more sense to lock down before things get bad than bolting the door after the horse has bolted.That's the lesson this government has consistently failed to learn and it looks like they are going about it the wrong way. Again. Fingers crossed this varient isn't as bad as it seems.
I think you misunderstand what a balanced debate is, it's people discussing facts not having two opposing sides
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:43:21 pmI think you misunderstand what a balanced debate is, it's people discussing facts not having two opposing sidesA balanced debate with people discussing facts should not involve calling someone on the opposing side a piece of shite.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 12, 2021, 03:30:05 pmCOVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.That is a very narrow minded view BST.You should know that n inquiry of this magnitude can take years to be completed.Do you really think that all the evidence from all sides can be cobbled together in a few months.Look how long it took to complete other high profile inquiries, Hillsborough for example.This go go on to the GE after the next one.
COVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 12:48:22 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:43:21 pmI think you misunderstand what a balanced debate is, it's people discussing facts not having two opposing sidesA balanced debate with people discussing facts should not involve calling someone on the opposing side a piece of shite.I use that word very advisedly for him. And my previous post gives the evidence for why I hold that view.Hancock is the very, very worst kind of politician. He rose by trumpeting Austerity which is the most damaging and simply illogical economic policy of the past century. That has caused untold damage to our economy and society. And he's not changed. He lies and misleads as easily as he breathes. He's doing it right there in that quote today. The NHS waiting list problems have absolutely NOT been caused by COVID. They are the result of the decade long decline caused by the policies that that piece of shite pushed a decade ago.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:43:21 pmI think you misunderstand what a balanced debate is, it's people discussing facts not having two opposing sidesA balanced debate with people discussing facts should not involve calling someone on the opposing side a piece of shite.
I think you misunderstand what a balanced debate is, it's people discussing facts not having two opposing sides
Looks like Private Eye could have compared a lot of countries with India more convincingly than the UK.https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/
Quote from: drfchound on May 13, 2021, 08:31:34 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 12, 2021, 03:30:05 pmCOVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.That is a very narrow minded view BST.You should know that n inquiry of this magnitude can take years to be completed.Do you really think that all the evidence from all sides can be cobbled together in a few months.Look how long it took to complete other high profile inquiries, Hillsborough for example.This go go on to the GE after the next one.Apologies. I thought my point was bleeding obvious. I KNOW that inquiries take a long time. I'm not questioning that. The point is that Johnson is kicking the START date of the inquiry down the road, so the report won't come before the next election. Why not start the enquiry now?And it's not just me pointing out the affront to democracy this entails.The Sun editorial today."THE sole purpose of a Covid public inquiry is to learn lessons for the next pandemic.So we need a result far sooner than after the next election. Besides, it will look shifty to delay a conclusion potentially damaging for the Government."
BBOnce again the point flies straight over your head.It's not that I disagree with him. I disagree with many people yet still respect them.The issue with Hancock is that for him truth is dispensible. You can't have an honest disagreement with that approach. He is an example of the new breed of politician who have realised that there is no longer a penalty for lying. So he lies as a matter of policy. THAT is why I despise him.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 11:40:06 amLooks like Private Eye could have compared a lot of countries with India more convincingly than the UK.https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/As they were putting the current Covid situation in India into a UK context there wouldn't have been much point, would there?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 13, 2021, 02:01:02 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 11:40:06 amLooks like Private Eye could have compared a lot of countries with India more convincingly than the UK.https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/As they were putting the current Covid situation in India into a UK context there wouldn't have been much point, would there?The only point was to make it an anti-British government one, as was the only point why you put it on here.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 02:25:53 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 13, 2021, 02:01:02 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 11:40:06 amLooks like Private Eye could have compared a lot of countries with India more convincingly than the UK.https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/As they were putting the current Covid situation in India into a UK context there wouldn't have been much point, would there?The only point was to make it an anti-British government one, as was the only point why you put it on here.Facts are facts. To say they should be ignored because of who puts them in front of you tells anybody all they need to know about Bentley Bullet and his consistent policy of arguing the toss and not the issue.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 13, 2021, 01:20:52 pmBBOnce again the point flies straight over your head.It's not that I disagree with him. I disagree with many people yet still respect them.The issue with Hancock is that for him truth is dispensible. You can't have an honest disagreement with that approach. He is an example of the new breed of politician who have realised that there is no longer a penalty for lying. So he lies as a matter of policy. THAT is why I despise him. But you're doing what you've done for the past 5 years, repeating over and over again anything you can find against the Tory party and looking the other way at Labour misdemeanours. If you searched for Labour wrongdoings as vehemently as you do Tory ones You would most certainly redress the balance yourself without me having to do it. You would also no doubt find Labour politicians who have changed their views on things since ten years ago without calling them liars for doing so. It's also obvious to me that the party in opposition is in a much easier position to act squeaky clean while accusing the government of not being so because there is far less pressure being in a position of policy-making without responsibility.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 13, 2021, 03:22:41 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 02:25:53 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on May 13, 2021, 02:01:02 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 11:40:06 amLooks like Private Eye could have compared a lot of countries with India more convincingly than the UK.https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/As they were putting the current Covid situation in India into a UK context there wouldn't have been much point, would there?The only point was to make it an anti-British government one, as was the only point why you put it on here.Facts are facts. To say they should be ignored because of who puts them in front of you tells anybody all they need to know about Bentley Bullet and his consistent policy of arguing the toss and not the issue. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/24/indias-covid-death-toll-hides-stark-truth-for-the-poor-its-even-worse facts are facts
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 02:19:48 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 13, 2021, 01:20:52 pmBBOnce again the point flies straight over your head.It's not that I disagree with him. I disagree with many people yet still respect them.The issue with Hancock is that for him truth is dispensible. You can't have an honest disagreement with that approach. He is an example of the new breed of politician who have realised that there is no longer a penalty for lying. So he lies as a matter of policy. THAT is why I despise him. But you're doing what you've done for the past 5 years, repeating over and over again anything you can find against the Tory party and looking the other way at Labour misdemeanours. If you searched for Labour wrongdoings as vehemently as you do Tory ones You would most certainly redress the balance yourself without me having to do it. You would also no doubt find Labour politicians who have changed their views on things since ten years ago without calling them liars for doing so. It's also obvious to me that the party in opposition is in a much easier position to act squeaky clean while accusing the government of not being so because there is far less pressure being in a position of policy-making without responsibility.If you can find me an example of a Labour politician who made his name promoting dangerous batshit voodoo economics theories that have had a horrendous effect on the social and economic fabric of the country, and who routinely lies when asked direct questions, I'll gladly criticise them. Off you toddle.
So back to the main topic, after locking down on India far too late The Clown is now worried about the increase in the Indian variant and is now talking about possible local lockdowns.Since when or how did he expect those returning from India to isolate at home when the majority live in an extended household or even have the inclination to quarantine.The same will apply to many who take a foreign holiday this year who are expected to quarantine at home too little too late
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 13, 2021, 12:48:22 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 12:43:21 pmI think you misunderstand what a balanced debate is, it's people discussing facts not having two opposing sidesA balanced debate with people discussing facts should not involve calling someone on the opposing side a piece of shite.I use that word very advisedly for him. And my previous post gives the evidence for why I hold that view.Hancock is the very, very worst kind of politician. He rose by trumpeting Austerity which is the most damaging and simply illogical economic policy of the past century. That has caused untold damage to our economy and society. And he's not changed. He lies and misleads as easily as he breathes. He's doing it right there in that quote today. The NHS waiting list problems have absolutely NOT been caused by COVID. They are the result of the decade long decline caused by the policies that that piece of shite pushed a decade ago.