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What’s wrong with the current squad? Anderson,John,RoweKnoyleWilliams, HortonSmithBostockCloseTaylorBogleOkenabirhie CukurHiwuluI think we’re a goalkeeper and another midfielder away from Having as good a squad as we’ve had in a long time
Campsall,"If they are not (capable) then what is the point in paying them wages. We may as well let them go and free up their wages."The simple answer to that is: development. You don't bring youth team players through to immediately be first team ready players. Sometimes that does happen and it's great, but it is rare and that is why they need time to develop, through training, gradual introduction to games and loan spells at lower levels.Getting rid of an 18-20 year old because he isn't a starter yet ignores their development and potential, but likewise you have to acknowledge that the players you list are probably not going to be starting games regularly this season and contributing.You cannot possibly say that Bottomley, Ravenhill or Hasani are ready now. How many times have any of us seen them play?After last season, we should hope to see Jones, Horton and Greaves at least competing for squad places regularly because they are further along in their senior development, but still they will not be world-beaters yet. Seaman is different because he isn't an academy product of ours and has a higher pedigree, plus senior experience.But ultimately we know these are not the players we will rely on in 2021-22. They are fringe development players who need time and nurturing in order to kick on.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 27, 2021, 06:51:19 amWhat’s wrong with the current squad? Anderson,John,RoweKnoyleWilliams, HortonSmithBostockCloseTaylorBogleOkenabirhie CukurHiwuluI think we’re a goalkeeper and another midfielder away from Having as good a squad as we’ve had in a long time It’s paper thin for a start; RW has said he needs to get rid of two to bring anyone else in, we have one keeper that has promise but isn’t ready, John, Smith, and possibly Horton and Bostock are not in RW plans; or at least weren’t until he ran out of cash and couldn’t field a side. Taylor and Fej aren’t fit and won’t be fully fit at the start of the seasonAdmittedly some of the players look quality that have been brought in and a couple of the loan players look class and I’m not including Barlow in that at this stage.The squad is just too thin; the rebuild has been too great, the time to gel the squad too little, there is too much additional transfer activity still required and I simply can’t see how, with those Ingredients, this season is going to be anything else but very, very tough.As I say I’m not having a go at the club; in fact they are doing exactly what I wanted them to do when I said they had lost their identity and needed to be less reliant in loans and short term contracts.Obviously I hope the lads hit the ground running and achieve far more than what I expect them to but I just can’t see it happening.
I think the overarching point Campsall is that we can't expect half a dozen youngsters to fill our bench and have a consistent, successful season. I want to see these lads given chances if they are up to it but we can't ignore the fact that the squad and its players will be work in progress for much of the campaign.I expect the younger lads to go out on loan. Blythe looks a cert for that, you can probably add Ravenhill and Hasani in too, and probably Bottomley if we can sign another keeper. That means we need to have 18-19 or so players senior players in addition to Jones, Horton and Greaves. Currently we've got 15 with designs on 3 more coming in seemingly, depending what happens with Ed Williams, so I'd say we aren't in bad shape on that front but even with a squad of that size we will be asking a lot of some of the younger ones when they inevitably have to step in.I'm not really disagreeing with you Campsall, just adding to the discussion and delving into the finer point on what we can or should expect from the academy graduates in the Rovers squad.
Sorry and I really hope I’m wrong but based on the current squad and understandable lack of budget I’m going for bottom 3; I hope I’m wrong.We are coming back off of some horrific form and as yet we don’t have the players for the system Richie wants to play, LJ doesn’t look or think as a number 1; we have absolutely no strength in depth, we have had no really pre/season and are miles behind where we need to be because of this and the much needed rebuilding of the squad.My view might change depending on who we bring in and I’m not knocking anyone at the club but I’m not optimistic about this season at all.I’ve got my season ticket though and I’ll support the lads throughout.
Quote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 04:59:08 amSorry and I really hope I’m wrong but based on the current squad and understandable lack of budget I’m going for bottom 3; I hope I’m wrong.We are coming back off of some horrific form and as yet we don’t have the players for the system Richie wants to play, LJ doesn’t look or think as a number 1; we have absolutely no strength in depth, we have had no really pre/season and are miles behind where we need to be because of this and the much needed rebuilding of the squad.My view might change depending on who we bring in and I’m not knocking anyone at the club but I’m not optimistic about this season at all.I’ve got my season ticket though and I’ll support the lads throughout.Don't you think that many of the 21 teams you're tipping to come above us have had the same post-Covid problems as us, and the same rebuilding job to be done?Every team in League 1 has a mass exodus of players every season. It's the price of not getting promoted, when good players want a chance of Championship football.You must have little faith in RW and the board if you're tipping relegation.
Quote from: scawsby steve on July 27, 2021, 06:47:54 pmQuote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 04:59:08 amSorry and I really hope I’m wrong but based on the current squad and understandable lack of budget I’m going for bottom 3; I hope I’m wrong.We are coming back off of some horrific form and as yet we don’t have the players for the system Richie wants to play, LJ doesn’t look or think as a number 1; we have absolutely no strength in depth, we have had no really pre/season and are miles behind where we need to be because of this and the much needed rebuilding of the squad.My view might change depending on who we bring in and I’m not knocking anyone at the club but I’m not optimistic about this season at all.I’ve got my season ticket though and I’ll support the lads throughout.Don't you think that many of the 21 teams you're tipping to come above us have had the same post-Covid problems as us, and the same rebuilding job to be done?Every team in League 1 has a mass exodus of players every season. It's the price of not getting promoted, when good players want a chance of Championship football.You must have little faith in RW and the board if you're tipping relegation.In short no i don’t believe the other teams have had the rebuild we will have had; come the start of the season only 4 of the current squad were first choice in our 11 at times when the squad was at its strongest; then being fej, Bostock, Anderson and Taylor.It has nothing to do with Wellens or what I think of him; I think he is a decent appointment. It’s the size of the rebuild that concerns me.I’ve been critical of the board before but not currently; they are going in the right direction now for me. The fact we are financially struggling isn’t a dig it’s a fact and one that limits what they can do.m as has been accepted.The problems combined means I just don’t see this being anything but a struggle this year.
Quote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 08:31:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on July 27, 2021, 06:47:54 pmQuote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 04:59:08 amSorry and I really hope I’m wrong but based on the current squad and understandable lack of budget I’m going for bottom 3; I hope I’m wrong.We are coming back off of some horrific form and as yet we don’t have the players for the system Richie wants to play, LJ doesn’t look or think as a number 1; we have absolutely no strength in depth, we have had no really pre/season and are miles behind where we need to be because of this and the much needed rebuilding of the squad.My view might change depending on who we bring in and I’m not knocking anyone at the club but I’m not optimistic about this season at all.I’ve got my season ticket though and I’ll support the lads throughout.Don't you think that many of the 21 teams you're tipping to come above us have had the same post-Covid problems as us, and the same rebuilding job to be done?Every team in League 1 has a mass exodus of players every season. It's the price of not getting promoted, when good players want a chance of Championship football.You must have little faith in RW and the board if you're tipping relegation.In short no i don’t believe the other teams have had the rebuild we will have had; come the start of the season only 4 of the current squad were first choice in our 11 at times when the squad was at its strongest; then being fej, Bostock, Anderson and Taylor.It has nothing to do with Wellens or what I think of him; I think he is a decent appointment. It’s the size of the rebuild that concerns me.I’ve been critical of the board before but not currently; they are going in the right direction now for me. The fact we are financially struggling isn’t a dig it’s a fact and one that limits what they can do.m as has been accepted.The problems combined means I just don’t see this being anything but a struggle this year.Who says we are financially struggling. Compared to some of the so called bigger clubs we are very healthy financially.We will be in a much stronger position than the majority. Just because we don’t go out spending daft money on transfers and wages doesn’t mean we are struggling. Plenty of clubs far worse off than us.Good managers turn their players into better ones and create an environment which is conducive to creating a positive winning mentality.You do not always need the best players on paper to be successful. Football is a team game and the word team is the key. I don’t expect promotion this season but it is not out of the question by any means but thinking about us being relegation candidates is taking pessimism to the extreme imo.
Blythe, Ravenhill, Hasani and Greaves all available for loans according to Liam. Blythe on trial at Spennymore, Ravenhill could be trial at Darlington.
Quote from: Campsall rover on July 27, 2021, 08:53:39 pmQuote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 08:31:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on July 27, 2021, 06:47:54 pmQuote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 04:59:08 amSorry and I really hope I’m wrong but based on the current squad and understandable lack of budget I’m going for bottom 3; I hope I’m wrong.We are coming back off of some horrific form and as yet we don’t have the players for the system Richie wants to play, LJ doesn’t look or think as a number 1; we have absolutely no strength in depth, we have had no really pre/season and are miles behind where we need to be because of this and the much needed rebuilding of the squad.My view might change depending on who we bring in and I’m not knocking anyone at the club but I’m not optimistic about this season at all.I’ve got my season ticket though and I’ll support the lads throughout.Don't you think that many of the 21 teams you're tipping to come above us have had the same post-Covid problems as us, and the same rebuilding job to be done?Every team in League 1 has a mass exodus of players every season. It's the price of not getting promoted, when good players want a chance of Championship football.You must have little faith in RW and the board if you're tipping relegation.In short no i don’t believe the other teams have had the rebuild we will have had; come the start of the season only 4 of the current squad were first choice in our 11 at times when the squad was at its strongest; then being fej, Bostock, Anderson and Taylor.It has nothing to do with Wellens or what I think of him; I think he is a decent appointment. It’s the size of the rebuild that concerns me.I’ve been critical of the board before but not currently; they are going in the right direction now for me. The fact we are financially struggling isn’t a dig it’s a fact and one that limits what they can do.m as has been accepted.The problems combined means I just don’t see this being anything but a struggle this year.Who says we are financially struggling. Compared to some of the so called bigger clubs we are very healthy financially.We will be in a much stronger position than the majority. Just because we don’t go out spending daft money on transfers and wages doesn’t mean we are struggling. Plenty of clubs far worse off than us.Good managers turn their players into better ones and create an environment which is conducive to creating a positive winning mentality.You do not always need the best players on paper to be successful. Football is a team game and the word team is the key. I don’t expect promotion this season but it is not out of the question by any means but thinking about us being relegation candidates is taking pessimism to the extreme imo.I see it as realism and managing expectations but let’s hope you are right.To think the club aren’t struggling financially at the moment whilst they are openly stating they have to get rid of kids and to let senior players go out of a squad that doesn’t have enough of them before they can bring any is, in my view a little delusional.what on earth makes you think we are not struggling at the moment?For the past few years the club have claimed we have a top six budget whilst some of the the managers have stated it’s been mid table; so when the board effectively say mid table is where the budget is where do you think the reality lays?
Quote from: steve@dcfd on July 27, 2021, 09:00:14 pmBlythe, Ravenhill, Hasani and Greaves all available for loans according to Liam. Blythe on trial at Spennymore, Ravenhill could be trial at Darlington. With an immediate recall i suspect. If not then Reed and another midfielder are going to be signed or we will be very short of a decent bench.Plus Barlow as a wide front player, plus another loan player.
Quote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 08:31:26 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on July 27, 2021, 06:47:54 pmQuote from: aidanstu on July 27, 2021, 04:59:08 amSorry and I really hope I’m wrong but based on the current squad and understandable lack of budget I’m going for bottom 3; I hope I’m wrong.We are coming back off of some horrific form and as yet we don’t have the players for the system Richie wants to play, LJ doesn’t look or think as a number 1; we have absolutely no strength in depth, we have had no really pre/season and are miles behind where we need to be because of this and the much needed rebuilding of the squad.My view might change depending on who we bring in and I’m not knocking anyone at the club but I’m not optimistic about this season at all.I’ve got my season ticket though and I’ll support the lads throughout.Don't you think that many of the 21 teams you're tipping to come above us have had the same post-Covid problems as us, and the same rebuilding job to be done?Every team in League 1 has a mass exodus of players every season. It's the price of not getting promoted, when good players want a chance of Championship football.You must have little faith in RW and the board if you're tipping relegation.In short no i don’t believe the other teams have had the rebuild we will have had; come the start of the season only 4 of the current squad were first choice in our 11 at times when the squad was at its strongest; then being fej, Bostock, Anderson and Taylor.It has nothing to do with Wellens or what I think of him; I think he is a decent appointment. It’s the size of the rebuild that concerns me.I’ve been critical of the board before but not currently; they are going in the right direction now for me. The fact we are financially struggling isn’t a dig it’s a fact and one that limits what they can do.m as has been accepted.The problems combined means I just don’t see this being anything but a struggle this year.Sorry, mate, but that's a flawed argument you've presented in that first paragraph. All clubs, including us, regularly have rebuilds of that magnitude. Two seasons ago, we were left with just 3 players from the starting 11 at Charlton in the play-off semi-final the season before; and we had a new manager, but we still managed to finish 9th in League 1, in a season that was curtailed when we were in good form.