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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: normal rules on September 09, 2021, 07:11:42 am
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I’ll be honest. Ive not looked into this a great deal until recently. I’m quite shocked at how much this could cost.
I’ve always thought it would cost “pence” to charge your car overnight at home. That’s not the case.
For a 60 kWh battery at 17p per kWh you could be looking at an overnight charge cost of £9-£10 (based on 90% charge) Or £300 a month on your electric bill if charged every night.
Doesn’t sound much. But I can foresee people plugging in their car overnight as habit when they perhaps don’t need to. £300 would get you around 2500 miles in a diesel doing 50mpg.
Granted, if you fully charge a 200 mile range car every night, that same car would cover 6000 miles for the same £300. But this would be really optimal use, which many won’t achieve.
Plus the price of electric is likely to go up.
And undoubtedly, electric cars will pay road tax before long, as the govt cannot afford to lose all that income.
I suppose a good question is if you leave a battery car on the drive for days on end unused, does the range degrade. ? If you could get away with charging your car say once a week or once a fortnight, then it makes it an appealing proposition.
Anyone on here got an electric car and can comment?
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I don’t know the answer to your question, but in my view the big EV con is just around the corner, lost revenue from combustion engine powered cars, fuel duty, road tax etc. Will have to be replaced by something else, watch electricity prices go through the roof through taxation, ot’s a big con, America will keep their gas guzzling vehicles and cheap fuel while we are conned
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I’ll be honest. Ive not looked into this a great deal until recently. I’m quite shocked at how much this could cost.
I’ve always thought it would cost “pence” to charge your car overnight at home. That’s not the case.
For a 60 kWh battery at 17p per kWh you could be looking at an overnight charge cost of £9-£10 (based on 90% charge) Or £300 a month on your electric bill if charged every night.
Doesn’t sound much. But I can foresee people plugging in their car overnight as habit when they perhaps don’t need to. £300 would get you around 2500 miles in a diesel doing 50mpg.
Granted, if you fully charge a 200 mile range car every night, that same car would cover 6000 miles for the same £300. But this would be really optimal use, which many won’t achieve.
Plus the price of electric is likely to go up.
And undoubtedly, electric cars will pay road tax before long, as the govt cannot afford to lose all that income.
I suppose a good question is if you leave a battery car on the drive for days on end unused, does the range degrade. ? If you could get away with charging your car say once a week or once a fortnight, then it makes it an appealing proposition.
Anyone on here got an electric car and can comment?
If you plug it in when charged (I.e. don’t need to) it won’t draw the £9-£10 per night you quote. I have a phev (tax break choice rather than environmental choice)
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And 1.2 billion people in India will continue to ride around on 2 stroke motors.
We are mugs in this country. Utter mugs.
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I’ll be honest. Ive not looked into this a great deal until recently. I’m quite shocked at how much this could cost.
I’ve always thought it would cost “pence” to charge your car overnight at home. That’s not the case.
For a 60 kWh battery at 17p per kWh you could be looking at an overnight charge cost of £9-£10 (based on 90% charge) Or £300 a month on your electric bill if charged every night.
Doesn’t sound much. But I can foresee people plugging in their car overnight as habit when they perhaps don’t need to. £300 would get you around 2500 miles in a diesel doing 50mpg.
Granted, if you fully charge a 200 mile range car every night, that same car would cover 6000 miles for the same £300. But this would be really optimal use, which many won’t achieve.
Plus the price of electric is likely to go up.
And undoubtedly, electric cars will pay road tax before long, as the govt cannot afford to lose all that income.
I suppose a good question is if you leave a battery car on the drive for days on end unused, does the range degrade. ? If you could get away with charging your car say once a week or once a fortnight, then it makes it an appealing proposition.
Anyone on here got an electric car and can comment?
If you plug it in when charged (I.e. don’t need to) it won’t draw the £9-£10 per night you quote. I have a phev (tax break choice rather than environmental choice)
Once charged, how long does the charge last if the car is not used please?
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I’ll be honest. Ive not looked into this a great deal until recently. I’m quite shocked at how much this could cost.
I’ve always thought it would cost “pence” to charge your car overnight at home. That’s not the case.
For a 60 kWh battery at 17p per kWh you could be looking at an overnight charge cost of £9-£10 (based on 90% charge) Or £300 a month on your electric bill if charged every night.
Doesn’t sound much. But I can foresee people plugging in their car overnight as habit when they perhaps don’t need to. £300 would get you around 2500 miles in a diesel doing 50mpg.
Granted, if you fully charge a 200 mile range car every night, that same car would cover 6000 miles for the same £300. But this would be really optimal use, which many won’t achieve.
Plus the price of electric is likely to go up.
And undoubtedly, electric cars will pay road tax before long, as the govt cannot afford to lose all that income.
I suppose a good question is if you leave a battery car on the drive for days on end unused, does the range degrade. ? If you could get away with charging your car say once a week or once a fortnight, then it makes it an appealing proposition.
Anyone on here got an electric car and can comment?
If you plug it in when charged (I.e. don’t need to) it won’t draw the £9-£10 per night you quote. I have a phev (tax break choice rather than environmental choice)
Once charged, how long does the charge last if the car is not used please?
I've not noticed it drop from 100% at any point when left. My electric bill has gone up by less than half what my fuel bill has gone down. As said it doesn't draw charge unless needed and you can schedule the chargers to only work at set times anyway via app.
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And 1.2 billion people in India will continue to ride around on 2 stroke motors.
We are mugs in this country. Utter mugs.
No you are not you will have cleaner air to breathe (there is no safe level of pm 2.5) and help in the fight against climate change. Here the federal gov is ideologically opposed to climate change action and renewable energy. They told us renewables would increase the cost of electricity ................. in a country with super cheap coal, renewables have driven the price down.
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And 1.2 billion people in India will continue to ride around on 2 stroke motors.
We are mugs in this country. Utter mugs.
No you are not you will have cleaner air to breathe (there is no safe level of pm 2.5) and help in the fight against climate change. Here the federal gov is ideologically opposed to climate change action and renewable energy. They told us renewables would increase the cost of electricity ................. in a country with super cheap coal, renewables have driven the price down.
Air moves around the planet though. Our efforts will be a drop in the ocean when polluting countries such as India and China continue their use of fossil fuels . The proverbial pissing in the wind.
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And 1.2 billion people in India will continue to ride around on 2 stroke motors.
We are mugs in this country. Utter mugs.
No you are not you will have cleaner air to breathe (there is no safe level of pm 2.5) and help in the fight against climate change. Here the federal gov is ideologically opposed to climate change action and renewable energy. They told us renewables would increase the cost of electricity ................. in a country with super cheap coal, renewables have driven the price down.
Air moves around the planet though. Our efforts will be a drop in the ocean when polluting countries such as India and China continue their use of fossil fuels . The proverbial pissing in the wind.
yeah you're right don't bother
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Anybody know how many electric cars will be needed to bring down the pollution levels of the fires caused by deforestation in the world?
Are you back to controlled fire breaks in your part of the world Syd after your scare with the bush recently?
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it's always been done
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Also is there a special school electric car designers go to to make them look boring and ugly?
The only decent looking ones i have seen are for the US based alpha cars.
https://www.alphamotorinc.com/jax
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I’ll be honest. Ive not looked into this a great deal until recently. I’m quite shocked at how much this could cost.
I’ve always thought it would cost “pence” to charge your car overnight at home. That’s not the case.
For a 60 kWh battery at 17p per kWh you could be looking at an overnight charge cost of £9-£10 (based on 90% charge) Or £300 a month on your electric bill if charged every night.
Doesn’t sound much. But I can foresee people plugging in their car overnight as habit when they perhaps don’t need to. £300 would get you around 2500 miles in a diesel doing 50mpg.
Granted, if you fully charge a 200 mile range car every night, that same car would cover 6000 miles for the same £300. But this would be really optimal use, which many won’t achieve.
Plus the price of electric is likely to go up.
And undoubtedly, electric cars will pay road tax before long, as the govt cannot afford to lose all that income.
I suppose a good question is if you leave a battery car on the drive for days on end unused, does the range degrade. ? If you could get away with charging your car say once a week or once a fortnight, then it makes it an appealing proposition.
Anyone on here got an electric car and can comment?
If you plug it in when charged (I.e. don’t need to) it won’t draw the £9-£10 per night you quote. I have a phev (tax break choice rather than environmental choice)
Once charged, how long does the charge last if the car is not used please?
Hi NR, I’ve not noticed any drop off in charge when the car has been sat unplugged when I’ve been away. I suppose as with any battery it’s efficiency will decline over time. My lease cars change every 3 years so doubt I will get to a stage where it’s noticeable but private buyers probs need to consider it
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I’ll be honest. Ive not looked into this a great deal until recently. I’m quite shocked at how much this could cost.
I’ve always thought it would cost “pence” to charge your car overnight at home. That’s not the case.
For a 60 kWh battery at 17p per kWh you could be looking at an overnight charge cost of £9-£10 (based on 90% charge) Or £300 a month on your electric bill if charged every night.
Doesn’t sound much. But I can foresee people plugging in their car overnight as habit when they perhaps don’t need to. £300 would get you around 2500 miles in a diesel doing 50mpg.
Granted, if you fully charge a 200 mile range car every night, that same car would cover 6000 miles for the same £300. But this would be really optimal use, which many won’t achieve.
Plus the price of electric is likely to go up.
And undoubtedly, electric cars will pay road tax before long, as the govt cannot afford to lose all that income.
I suppose a good question is if you leave a battery car on the drive for days on end unused, does the range degrade. ? If you could get away with charging your car say once a week or once a fortnight, then it makes it an appealing proposition.
Anyone on here got an electric car and can comment?
If you plug it in when charged (I.e. don’t need to) it won’t draw the £9-£10 per night you quote. I have a phev (tax break choice rather than environmental choice)
Once charged, how long does the charge last if the car is not used please?
Hi NR, I’ve not noticed any drop off in charge when the car has been sat unplugged when I’ve been away. I suppose as with any battery it’s efficiency will decline over time. My lease cars change every 3 years so doubt I will get to a stage where it’s noticeable but private buyers probs need to consider it
Thanks ldr. I’m going to hold off as long as poss before I take the plunge. The balance is way off currently for me in any case. My runaround is a Vw up. 1.0 litre.£20 tax and 70 mpg. A tank gets me over 400 mile.
We have a disco 3 also for towing the shed on wheels. Which will be the first to go if the govt hike fuel and road tax in the coming years.
I hope hydrogen tech moves on in next 10 years making it a competitor or even replacement for battery tech.
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I have a diesel, but I might want an electric,
Yet I don’t particularly care about the effect either has on the climate….
Guess that makes me same as 99.99% of the UK……normal then
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I have a diesel, but I might want an electric,
Yet I don’t particularly care about the effect either has on the climate….
Guess that makes me same as 99.99% of the UK……normal then
Indeed.my concern is that electric cars are billed as green. But they are just as bad given the electricity comes from somewhere. And with recent news that the use coal fired power stations are being ramped up. Makes it all a bit pointless?
Oh, and they are bloody expensive.
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Some misunderstandings again in this thread.
https://pod-point.com/guides/driver/cost-of-charging-electric-car
If you top up at night, it is rarely from fully discharged, and you do not need to be fully charged at all times.
This is the same as thinking that you need a petrol station at your house....you need the power to do the task set for the next day, or the ability to recharge when required.
Confusion again between purchase price and running costs.
EV will be more expensive than ICE until about 2024, then cost to buy will fall below ICE as economies of scale take effect.
Over the lifetime of the average vehicle, EV will be about 50% of the total cost of ownership of ICE, depending on how long you keep the same car.
https://www.drive-electric.co.uk/electric-vehicles-vs-petrol-diesel-hybrid/
Best to consider leasing, as you stay on top of the tech in a changing environment.
Solid state batteries are about to enter the market, and will mean a step change in the auto sector.
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Even better if like my company you can charge at work for free. I'm sure the government will look to tax that as a bik eventually.
Normal rules, the coal fired thing isn't an increase its the norm, not sure why it was a story this week.
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Right on cue enter the Shapps App;
https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4036877/shapps-app-government-backed-app-help-drivers-switch-evs
Unfortunate nickname, as Mr Shapps will be gone and forgotten soon.
That said, it might be helpful to some in weighing up the choices.
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The truth will emerge when they start taxing electric vehicles at a level more inline with conventionally fuelled cars.
I think the answer is to try and find work within a bicycle ride distance from home.
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Yep, when the economy of scale happens, if at all, the govt will start hammering ev owners, based on value. Tesla owners beware.
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Interesting side issue in how often folk need to charge up;
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/cars/electric-cars-charge-three-weeks-25002494
Like I say, some think they need a full battery all the time....not so!
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I was reading an Eriba forum today about towing and one chap was talking about how happy he is with his Tesla model x .ok if you have 82 grand lying around.
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I have a diesel, but I might want an electric,
Yet I don’t particularly care about the effect either has on the climate….
Guess that makes me same as 99.99% of the UK……normal then
Oh ................ I wish I had an electric car, I'd drive it up and down
I'd take it on the highway, I'd drive it into town
When I need to charge it, I'd plug it in the wall
And when I pass the luddites, I'd give two fingers to them all .................
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Whereas if you had a conventionally-fuelled car and lived on the 14th floor you would .... what?
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We can embrace it now (accepting that there is a huge cost for many) or have it forced on us in maybe 10 years. Global warming is accelerating at a such scary rate I feel most predictions will will be passed their used by dates all too quickly.
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Ever tried removing a charging lead from a parked, locked car?
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Ever tried removing a charging lead from a parked, locked car?
I haven't even seen one - are they secure then...?
For instance, many charging points are generally outside also.... so could you not just disconnect from the mains socket and then remove the other end from the car? - genuine question - I have know idea.
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Ever tried removing a charging lead from a parked, locked car?
I'll bet it's easier than removing the cables from the railway, but that happens.
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Whereas if you had a conventionally-fuelled car and lived on the 14th floor you would .... what?
Drive to the fuel station fill it up and go home.
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The cut off date for petrol and diesel will be extended as there won't be capacity on the grid in the timeframe being suggested.
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Whereas if you had a conventionally-fuelled car and lived on the 14th floor you would .... what?
Drive to the fuel station fill it up and go home.
And park it in your flat on the 14th floor?
Or in the 'dodgy car park' outside the block of flats, where the charging points could be?
Would vandals only damage the electric vehicles?
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Ever tried removing a charging lead from a parked, locked car?
I haven't even seen one - are they secure then...?
For instance, many charging points are generally outside also.... so could you not just disconnect from the mains socket and then remove the other end from the car? - genuine question - I have know idea.
They generally lock at both ends, you can also get really secure locks for your own aswell. Mine doesn't release without unlocking it (and has other settings on top). You have to unsecure one end before the other releases too. And they do not budge.
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Being a “non driver “ what about people who live in a flat say on the 14th floor how are they going to charge their car’s , extension lead out of the window ?
That's the general idea. Or park in a dodgy car park and come back in the morning to find someone has stolen your charging lead and your car has been vandalised.
Whereas if you had a conventionally-fuelled car and lived on the 14th floor you would .... what?
Drive to the fuel station fill it up and go home.
And park it in your flat on the 14th floor?
Or in the 'dodgy car park' outside the block of flats, where the charging points could be?
Would vandals only damage the electric vehicles?
I'm on about supermarket car parks and the like. You wouldn't want to park there or in a town centre overnight.
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AL,
Not sure what you are on about, me old Lion!
Why would you need to park overnight in a supermarket to charge?
Folk will just go to the nearest charging station and top up when needed....no problem.
Latest chargers are reducing charging time, and will get better;
https://uk.pcmag.com/cars-auto/135976/worlds-fastest-electric-car-charger-offers-a-full-charge-in-15-minutes
Not like a petrol shortage, is it......pity the poor diesel driver in 5 years!
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AL,
Not sure what you are on about, me old Lion!
Why would you need to park overnight in a supermarket to charge?
Folk will just go to the nearest charging station and top up when needed....no problem.
Latest chargers are reducing charging time, and will get better;
https://uk.pcmag.com/cars-auto/135976/worlds-fastest-electric-car-charger-offers-a-full-charge-in-15-minutes
Not like a petrol shortage, is it......pity the poor diesel driver in 5 years!
I would be concerned about rapid charging's effect on battery life. Nothing will convince me that this is a blind ally. I would hang on for hydrogen rather than any plug in car. Just my opinion.
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Why are you concerned about something that has no proof?
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Why are you concerned about something that has no proof?
My electric tooth brush battery gets worse every time i charge it. How much scientific proof do you need?
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If you take your electric car abroad, do you need to take a travel adapter to charge it??
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If you take your electric car abroad, do you need to take a travel adapter to charge it??
Domestic charger yes, wouldn’t recommend though. Type 2 or other cable I don’t think so
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If you take your electric car abroad, do you need to take a travel adapter to charge it??
Domestic charger yes, wouldn’t recommend though. Type 2 or other cable I don’t think so
You'll need to charge up five times to get to the Isle of White.
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Why are you concerned about something that has no proof?
My electric tooth brush battery gets worse every time i charge it. How much scientific proof do you need?
Maybe stop buying the cheap ones.
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Here is one aimed at the Axholme consumer;
https://youtu.be/U5LKU6bWScc
Solar charging integrated.
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Sales figures from September for the UK;
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/05/uk-plugin-ev-share-above-20-in-september-tesla-model-3-overall-bestseller/
I guess the petrol crises will have given a further boost to sales in the next period.
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Sales figures from September for the UK;
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/05/uk-plugin-ev-share-above-20-in-september-tesla-model-3-overall-bestseller/
I guess the petrol crises will have given a further boost to sales in the next period.
The thing is you just can't get hold of new cars at the moment. The lead time with most manufacturers is horrendous, this is pumping up the price of used cars too. I have just been offered by a dealer for a car which i bought just twenty months ago nine grand more than i paid for it new! Absolute madness.
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My brother, who has more money than sense, just sold his Porsche Boxster back to Porsche Leeds for just 7 grand less than he paid for it in cash 3 years ago. He bought it brand new. That means he essentially leased it for £195 a month. Or Ford Fiesta money. Porsche Leeds can’t get them for love nor money.
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Sales figures from September for the UK;
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/05/uk-plugin-ev-share-above-20-in-september-tesla-model-3-overall-bestseller/
I guess the petrol crises will have given a further boost to sales in the next period.
The thing is you just can't get hold of new cars at the moment. The lead time with most manufacturers is horrendous, this is pumping up the price of used cars too. I have just been offered by a dealer for a car which i bought just twenty months ago nine grand more than i paid for it new! Absolute madness.
Very true at least 6 months from order for mine. It won't come until next year.
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This is true I work at Mercedes and when I started there just over 12months ago the compound was full with new and every different model now we have half a dozen cla shooting brakes and and few different 4x4 plus some pre sold eqc and about 4 v classes of which I think 3 are the electric model and that's it.
The worse thing is that we are struggling to get hold of parts particular nox sensors due to the semiconductors and chip shortages
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I have no idea what any of that means :huh:
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i wonder if it's such a great idea filling cars full of microchips and complexity.
There's something to be said for straightforward, robust, simple engineering that can easily be fixed.
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i wonder if it's such a great idea filling cars full of microchips and complexity.
There's something to be said for straightforward, robust, simple engineering that can easily be fixed.
...but which did go wrong on a weekly basis.
I learned everything I know about cars from buying a Fiat127 in the late 80s. I spent every Sunday for 2 years stripping it to bits to find the latest fault, then rebuilding it.
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i wonder if it's such a great idea filling cars full of microchips and complexity.
There's something to be said for straightforward, robust, simple engineering that can easily be fixed.
...but which did go wrong on a weekly basis.
I learned everything I know about cars from buying a Fiat127 in the late 80s. I spent every Sunday for 2 years stripping it to bits to find the latest fault, then rebuilding it.
Yeah but is it the added complexity of modern vehicles making them more reliable nowadays? Or are they just better engineered better built machines underneath all the gizmos?
I mean there will be cars today waiting for microchips for the entertainment system or the motion sensors or climate control. None of these things actually affects how the vehicle performs in its primary role as personal transport but without them the product isn't complete and can't be sold.
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This is true I work at Mercedes and when I started there just over 12months ago the compound was full with new and every different model now we have half a dozen cla shooting brakes and and few different 4x4 plus some pre sold eqc and about 4 v classes of which I think 3 are the electric model and that's it.
The worse thing is that we are struggling to get hold of parts particular nox sensors due to the semiconductors and chip shortages
We have loads of back orders too. The oil filter which fits 90% of our petrol engine models is unorderable. The central warehouse will only release small amounts on autoissue dependant upon your previous sales history.
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i wonder if it's such a great idea filling cars full of microchips and complexity.
There's something to be said for straightforward, robust, simple engineering that can easily be fixed.
Most modern cars are very reliable. It's the silly added on techno gimmicks which cause most of the problems.