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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Bristol Red Rover on May 03, 2024, 09:05:52 pm
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Labour got the wins generally expected, the Tories a taste of what's down the line in the GE. Will the Labour optimism encourage more people to vote more for something else, eg Greens? Will the dodgy international policies and overall control freakery of Labour dissuade people from Labour? It does appear that way in Bristol.
With all the seats up for election this year, it's worth noting Bristol now has 34 Green Councilors out of 70, an increase of 10 with Labour down 3 and Tories down 7. The Greens were 53 votes from getting another, and 58 from another.
Interesting to see how the Greens won all their seats in the more central area, no other party getting anything.
https://twitter.com/beardedjourno/status/1786469850962858374
In terms of city wide votes, Labour +0%, Greens +8%, Tories -6%.
https://thebristolcable.org/category/series-local-elections-2024/
So why the swing from Labour to Greens in Bristol? The key difference locally is in the Greens planning to work more in partnership with other agencies. But I think the swing is due to the disatisfaction with Labour nationally and internationally.
In the GE, the Greens will almost certainly win the Bristol West seat from Labour.
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Bristol is a very long way from the Scottish border.
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Bristol is a very long way from the Scottish border.
......and even further from Germany.
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One minute he is moaning about Green policies in Bristol (Clean Air Zone) next he is celebrating them winning!
Still hopefully this will mean more and better cycle lanes in Bristol.
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One minute he is moaning about Green policies in Bristol (Clean Air Zone) next he is celebrating them winning!
Still hopefully this will mean more and better cycle lanes in Bristol.
All in favour of a better transport policy in Bristol including the cycling. And yes, the Clean Air Zone policy is nonsense. General progression of cleaner vehicles would make enough of a difference.
My point in the OP was about Labour failing. It's unquestionable.
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One minute he is moaning about Green policies in Bristol (Clean Air Zone) next he is celebrating them winning!
Still hopefully this will mean more and better cycle lanes in Bristol.
All in favour of a better transport policy in Bristol including the cycling. And yes, the Clean Air Zone policy is nonsense. General progression of cleaner vehicles would make enough of a difference.
My point in the OP was about Labour failing. It's unquestionable.
Get ready for more clean air Zones, 15 minute cities (ghettos) pay per mile etc!
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BRR, as you’re someone to the left of Labour I’d be interested to learn what you mean by “Labour control freakery”.
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The way those pulling the strings of the party, including those of Starmer, have controlled the way the party functions, chosen certain candidates over others, have excluded party members, have even kicked out many. And consequently create policies they choose. Undoubtedly, this is a top down party and not a product of its membership. This ethos permeates the party in many ways from there. Control freakery.
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Large pinch of salt required with all predictions based on local elections, but that has not stopped Sky coming up with a hung parliament prediction;
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
I have thought for some time that this was an increasing possibility.
Tory/Labour coalition anyone, a festival of austerity?
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Let's all voteTory then.
Join the other freaks
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Large pinch of salt required with all predictions based on local elections, but that has not stopped Sky coming up with a hung parliament prediction;
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
I have thought for some time that this was an increasing possibility.
Tory/Labour coalition anyone, a festiLarge pinch of salt required with all predictions based on local elections, but that has not stopped Sky coming up with a hung parliament prediction;
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
I have thought for some time that this was an increasing possibility.
Tory/Labour coalition anyone, a festival of austerity?
val of austerity?
Large pinch of salt required with all predictions based on local elections, but that has not stopped Sky coming up with a hung parliament prediction;
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
I have thought for some time that this was an increasing possibility.
Tory/Labour coalition anyone, a festival of austerity?
Really Albie?
Pinch of salt ,or bitter taste?
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One minute he is moaning about Green policies in Bristol (Clean Air Zone) next he is celebrating them winning!
Still hopefully this will mean more and better cycle lanes in Bristol.
All in favour of a better transport policy in Bristol including the cycling. And yes, the Clean Air Zone policy is nonsense. General progression of cleaner vehicles would make enough of a difference.
My point in the OP was about Labour failing. It's unquestionable.
Get ready for more clean air Zones, 15 minute cities (ghettos) pay per mile etc!
I don't get the hate for "15 minute cities."
Surely having everything you need for daily life within easy reach of your front door is convenient for most people?
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Large pinch of salt required with all predictions based on local elections, but that has not stopped Sky coming up with a hung parliament prediction;
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
I have thought for some time that this was an increasing possibility.
Tory/Labour coalition anyone, a festival of austerity?
"I don't believe in predictions, but hey! Here's a prediction I agree with."
£100 to any charity you care to mention if this happens.
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Large pinch of salt required with all predictions based on local elections, but that has not stopped Sky coming up with a hung parliament prediction;
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-projection-labour-on-course-to-be-largest-party-but-short-of-overall-majority-13128242
I have thought for some time that this was an increasing possibility.
Tory/Labour coalition anyone, a festival of austerity?
You have thought for some time that 66 MP's (& 22% of the vote) for constituencies in ENGLAND in the next Parliament, will not be Labour, Tory or Lib Dem. Brave man.
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BST,
I said exactly the opposite of your post.
Read it properly, without your silly prejudices.
It is improbable that there will be a hung parliament, but the balance is changing.
That said, the liklihood has increased with some migration of votes to the other parties like Galloway and Reform.
The big variable is how many "reluctant voters" choose to stay at home, and where they are distributed.
We know that local elections can give a lower turnout, and a chance for the disgruntled to make a protest vote.
How many of those revert to type is an open question.
There is no doubt that the Labour postion on Gaza, and the openly racist support of Israel from Starmer will alienate some prospective support.
This is clear in areas with a high muslim voterbase.
Wilts,
Not England, the whole UK elects at a GE.
I think that the balance has shifted, by how much no-one knows at this stage.
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''Oliver Coppard has been re-elected for a second term as mayor of South Yorkshire.
Coppard retained his job as South Yorkshire Mayor with 138,611 votes (50.9% of the vote share), with Conservative Nick Allen second with 44,945''
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Albie.
I'll repeat. I'll offer £100 to any charity of your choice if this happens.
You repeatedly decry projections (when they aren't projections) yet post an absolutely stupid and idiotic one here which is entirely based on the idea that percentage vote shares in a GE would be identical to those in the LA elections.
As for the idea there'd be a Lab/Tory coalition, give me strength.
Toddle off and support whichever fringe left party you want. Leave Labour to to do the job of, y'know, winning power which they never looked likely to do when your lot hijacked them.
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BST,
If you can't read a post in plain English and understand what is being said, best not to comment on it!
Post 8 says take any prediction with a large pinch of salt.
Nothing ambiguous about that.
You seem to think that I am saying that the Sky forecast is likely to happen, when I am saying the opposite.
The point of posting the Sky article is to show how inappropriate extrapolations are, not to support them.
I have explained why it is unlikely there will be a hung parliament at this stage, there are too many variables in play.
It is clear that the strategy of Galloway and Reform is to squeeze the main parties where the running is close.
The point is to influence the outcome where it can be affected.
We know from the Cambridge Analytica scam that microtargeting social media profiles is effective at the margin, close to the vote.
The time to take note is from 3 months to the actual ballot.
Maybe I need to use emoji's to help the hard of thinking.
The idea of betting on a particular outcome at this stage is for the birds!
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Albie.
I'm afraid I can't untie your logical knots.
You say take predictions with a pinch of salt.
Then you post a prediction that would fail GCSE Polling Predictions.
Then you say that you think what the prediction says is increasingly likely to happen.
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Meanwhile, Sadiq Khan's third administration is only seconds old and already he's reducing the number of sex criminals in London.
https://x.com/danwootton/status/1786752314168025494
Bravo sir!
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Meanwhile, Sadiq Khan's third administration is only seconds old and already he's reducing the number of sex criminals in London.
https://x.com/danwootton/status/1786752314168025494
Bravo sir!
Sounds too good to be true, no way this prick gives up his plush West London lifestyle unless he's fleeing the country ahead of some impending legal matter.
Actually, on second thought, you might be right.
I see Count Binface beat the Britain First knuckle dragger as well, so there's a ray of hope for society in these elections.
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Horrific what's happened to London under Khan, no surprises that he won again.
Coming to a town near you. Britain is falling
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I don't really give a flying for that there London but it's horrific what has happened to this country over the last 14 yes.
There fixed it for you.
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Horrific what's happened to London under Khan, no surprises that he won again.
Coming to a town near you. Britain is falling
Right wing troll eats right wing troll food and shits out right wing troll shit.
Slow news day.
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Horrific what's happened to London under Khan, no surprises that he won again.
Coming to a town near you. Britain is falling
Apparently the people who actually live there like it quite a lot.
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Just comes to show that a vote isn't a wasted vote as is always portrayed if people opt to vote for greens or independents.
Projections from the results for these elections state if this was the trend in the general election Labour wouldn't have a majority.
Which I've always predicted will be the case and think will happen.
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Meanwhile, Tory arse licker Kuenssberg still can't stop it.
Final poll yesterday suggested Khan was on 42% and that racist non-entity from the Tory party was on 32%.
This is what Kuenssberg tweeted.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1786499484676985054
With f**k all evidence other than that Tory Central Office were saying it was going to be closer than the polls said.
Actual result:
Khan 44%
Tory racist: 33%
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Just comes to show that a vote isn't a wasted vote as is always portrayed if people opt to vote for greens or independents.
Projections from the results for these elections state if this was the trend in the general election Labour wouldn't have a majority.
Which I've always predicted will be the case and think will happen.
Projections from those results are f**king stupid because people have never, and will never vote in a GE like they vote in a LA election.
That projection is from someone who used to be a senior Tory adviser. Fascinating that it's being pushed in here by two people who claim to be left wing.
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Horrific what's happened to London under Khan, no surprises that he won again.
Coming to a town near you. Britain is falling
What is this horrific thing that has happened to London?
Did Tomeh Robinson inform you by any chance?
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Just comes to show that a vote isn't a wasted vote as is always portrayed if people opt to vote for greens or independents.
Projections from the results for these elections state if this was the trend in the general election Labour wouldn't have a majority.
Which I've always predicted will be the case and think will happen.
There you go lads.
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1787023735246971165
You're in the same camp as a Tory minister.
Delusionally seeing what you want to happen, rather than what the data is actually telling you.
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If Starmer Presses ahead with the latest b’Open Borders Policy’ it might be the case!
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What the f**k are you rambling on about?
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Maybe there IS a future for the Tory party.
https://twitter.com/andy4wm/status/1786861060764410287
I've been impressed with him.
If he and similar can win the party back from the far right Culture War headcases, maybe we will see a reasonable, decent, competent centre-right party again in our lifetimes?
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The alternative is that the Tory party gets dominated by horrible sour faced racists like this cow.
https://youtu.be/-dUONqgA1eU?si=airNJDOoGyCO2T46
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I see Braverman has diagnosed the problem. The Conservative government is just too socialist, they need to push more firmly to the right.
You have to marvel at the lunacy of it.
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I see Braverman has diagnosed the problem. The Conservative government is just too socialist, they need to push more firmly to the right.
You have to marvel at the lunacy of it.
They are following the path that the Republican party went down 20 years ago.
The right doesn't have a socio-economic basis anymore, so all they have left is trying to embitter and wind up people against The Other.
You see it working in here.
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You'd think they'd have a brain. Centrist policies win elections not movements to the left or right.
Ultimately of course if they keep moving too far they will get voted out and something will take their place opposing labour.
Boris made mistakes but he was the best leader of that party. There are and were some good people still within the Tories.
The interesting thing is that in this country no one party still ever really convinces the electorate, fascinating that.
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What the f**k are you rambling on about?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/
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BST,
Sorry you are having such difficulty with these issues.
You need to understand that a link can be posted because it is relevant to the topic.
It does NOT mean that the poster always agrees with the content of the link...they may, or may not.
The Sky link is NOT my prediction, it is their own.
Put simply, the point I made is the difference between a probability and a possibility.
At the moment, it is not probable that the GE will mean a hung parliament, but the possibility has increased as a result of the impact of Galloway and Reform.
In this regard, the Sky article has a point, but how much of one remains unclear.
Look no further than the West Midlands Mayoral election.
A narrow win for Labour with a reduced vote, but the Tories have lost even more voters.
Both Reform and an Independent drew significant numbers, which pulled down the votes for both main parties.
The important takeaway is that both will have a distorting influence on the next GE, and that impact will be important in particular constituencies.
Whether that possible impact increases or decreases between now and the next GE is anyone's guess.
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What the f**k are you rambling on about?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/
Sproty,
As far as I know, Labour have not committed to fully reverse the Rwanda scheme.
Cooper was very evasive when questioned on that.
Now that may change, as the wind blows, but I am not sure Miriam Cates in the Telegraph knows what she is on about, apart from getting a good headline.
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The GE is going to be down - in my opinion - to which party the voters want to govern, rather than the best candidate for each seat. It’s a quirk of our system that for each constituency, it’s the one with most votes who wins as opposed to an outright majority. The more candidates there are, and the more votes parties like the Greens and Reform get, the fewer votes the probable Labour or Tory winner would need. High 30s % probably enough for the seat, and get enough seats you get the majority in the HoC despite 60% plus of the folks who voted, not voting for them.
PR would mean these other parties could/would make a huge difference at GE time, but with the present system they may just take enough (say) Tory votes for Reform, to hand a safe blue seat to Labour.
Fairly obvious I know, but unless all the people who don’t want KS as the next PM vote Tory, he will win.
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Meant to add the Tories are definitely on GE mode. Had a flyer through for a candidate for Doncaster north in the election this week.
That's probably an indicator of where they're at. I definitely do not live in Doncaster north even after boundary changes.
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Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo
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Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo
Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.
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Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo
Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.
Let’s be honest here, any government of any colour blames its predecessor.
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Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo
Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.
Let’s be honest here, any government of any colour blames its predecessor.
I fully agree with that IDM.
Sadly, many on here don’t see that.
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What the f**k are you rambling on about?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/
Sproty,
As far as I know, Labour have not committed to fully reverse the Rwanda scheme.
Cooper was very evasive when questioned on that.
Now that may change, as the wind blows, but I am not sure Miriam Cates in the Telegraph knows what she is on about, apart from getting a good headline.
Whilst.not saying they would stop a flight on the runway if elected both Starmer and Cooper have both said they would "get rid" of the plan
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Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo
I think Starmer is in for a while, the coup (sp) will hold strong, unlike pigeon English.
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What the f**k are you rambling on about?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/
You've just won the "Say you know f**k all about politics without saying 'I know f**k all about politics'" challenge.
Seriously? You read something by a Culture War gobshite like Cates and you think it accurately describes Labour policy?
God f**king hell us if people like you have a vote.
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A few on here who think screaming the loudest means they are always right. It never works that way.
Plenty of snippets coming out of Labour sources that would lead anyone of a fair disposition to think that this incarnation of Labour are very much lacking in any original thought or policies.
Will be very interesting when the election starts in earnest as to how this wishy washy attitude will hold up under further scrutiny.
Many will be watching and taking note, we have just had to endure a torrid time with a sub par government. Will a majority be happy with having a red version of what we have just had to endure?
Id be very surprised if any back slapping will be partaken in Labour quarters just yet.
The electorate are watching and listening, very carefully.
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Raven,
It is as clear as mud to me.
I don't know what is meant by close down the Rwanda Scheme...Cooper said "replaced" in the interview I saw.
To be replaced by a tweaked version, or something completely different?
Pat McFadden was on the LK show saying Labour would not bring back those sent to Rwanda;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1787041247732834304/pu/vid/avc1/1280x714/Xg8nILNb6iRoWOXA.mp4?tag=12
Granted McFadden is not someone you would send to the shops with a note, but the messaging is confused and unreliable.
I really don't know!
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The Tees Valley and West Mids Mayoral election results are interesting.
The Tory candidate in each case is widely viewed as having done a good job and they have defied national poll expectations in their results.
It strongly suggests that the Tories nationally aren't massively more unpopular recently due to politics and left/right sentiments. And that it's all about competence.
Those 2 results show that many people would still vote Conservative if they feel the Tories in question would do a decent job.
Anyone advocating the Tories would electorally benefit from a move to the Right is therefore simply incorrect.
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What the f**k are you rambling on about?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/02/keir-starmer-has-just-admitted-labour-are-the-party-of-open/
You've just won the "Say you know f**k all about politics without saying 'I know f**k all about politics'" challenge.
Seriously? You read something by a Culture War gobshite like Cates and you think it accurately describes Labour policy?
God f**king hell us if people like you have a vote.
That’s the thing though bst.
There will be plenty of people with no understanding of politics who have a vote, whether you like it or not!
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Precisely abound, that’s why that airhead Boris was elected. If only the Tories had had a decent statesman/woman in charge at the time. Same argument for Labour - the last election was really a no-win scenario based on the two main leaders..
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This thread is evidence that the Tories could put up a rotting corpse as a candidate or even elect one as PM and folk would still be dumb enough to vote for it.
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
What makes you think I vote Labour?
I could never bring myself to vote for those horrible individuals in the tory party.
Kitsons the lot of them.
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This thread is evidence that the Tories could put up a rotting corpse as a candidate or even elect one as PM and folk would still be dumb enough to vote for it.
Especially if it was a serial liar saying "I'm not dead"
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Be interesting who Reform place against Milliband,
And Icantwait for Labours Election Manifesto, because I can’t see anything they can do that wouldn’t Bankrupt the Coo
Sporty, you do know that they are going to blame the current government for that though.
Ready made excuses for any failings they may make in the next few years.
Let’s be honest here, any government of any colour blames its predecessor.
True , this lot are blaming the last Govt even though they lat governed the UK 14 plus years ago
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This thread is evidence that the Tories could put up a rotting corpse as a candidate or even elect one as PM and folk would still be dumb enough to vote for it.
Especially if it was a serial liar saying "I'm not dead"
Incredible isn't it. Yet some still think an ex PM that introduced laws that he went on to break,and a current PM that also broke the law are fit to run the country.
It reflects on how stupid a certain section of society are.
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
What makes you think I vote Labour?
Just a feeling!
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
What makes you think I vote Labour?
Just a feeling!
I hope you don't rely on your intuition,cos it's not very good.
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Raven,
It is as clear as mud to me.
I don't know what is meant by close down the Rwanda Scheme...Cooper said "replaced" in the interview I saw.
To be replaced by a tweaked version, or something completely different?
Pat McFadden was on the LK show saying Labour would not bring back those sent to Rwanda;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1787041247732834304/pu/vid/avc1/1280x714/Xg8nILNb6iRoWOXA.mp4?tag=12
Granted McFadden is not someone you would send to the shops with a note, but the messaging is confused and unreliable.
I really don't know!
It was on the Tory mouthpieces programme a few Sundays back
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Raven,
It is as clear as mud to me.
I don't know what is meant by close down the Rwanda Scheme...Cooper said "replaced" in the interview I saw.
To be replaced by a tweaked version, or something completely different?
Pat McFadden was on the LK show saying Labour would not bring back those sent to Rwanda;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1787041247732834304/pu/vid/avc1/1280x714/Xg8nILNb6iRoWOXA.mp4?tag=12
Granted McFadden is not someone you would send to the shops with a note, but the messaging is confused and unreliable.
I really don't know!
It was on the Tory mouthpieces programme a few Sundays back
Arse piece is more appropriate Raven
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
Have to disagree there, I don’t have verified stats but I’m sure lots of folks who may have voted for Labour didn’t want Corbyn as pm. Same in the 80s with Foot.
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Imagine if it was between Sunak and Corbyn. What a dilemma. I think we'd have seen a very low turnout in a very important election.
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
Have to disagree there, I don’t have verified stats but I’m sure lots of folks who may have voted for Labour didn’t want Corbyn as pm. Same in the 80s with Foot.
So their choice then was to vote Labour, win the GE and then somehow get Corbyn removed and replaced.
Someone on here canvassed for Labour (IIRC) when JC was Labour leader but has since catcalled him for not being up to the job so perhaps that was the plan.
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Have you not got a pair between your legs to name who you are talking about,rather than 'someone on here'?
Like the majority of the population that didn't vote for that bellend Boris,probably because he had more intuition than knew and knew what an absolute kitson Boris would be.
You're like a parody of Harry Enfield's tory boy,but worst.
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And to be clear, the same applies to the red rosette lot.
Do you think any differently?
Would you always vote Labour, come what may?
Have to disagree there, I don’t have verified stats but I’m sure lots of folks who may have voted for Labour didn’t want Corbyn as pm. Same in the 80s with Foot.
So their choice then was to vote Labour, win the GE and then somehow get Corbyn removed and replaced.
Someone on here canvassed for Labour (IIRC) when JC was Labour leader but has since catcalled him for not being up to the job so perhaps that was the plan.
Some Labour supporters will vote for anybody who wears a Red Rosette, as was proved in the case of Corbyn, and is now confirmed beyond doubt with "The Right Honourable" Keir Starmer.
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Hang on fella,you've defended nit one but two law breaking PMs.
How the f**k can you have the audacity to call out other people?
Ah,I know why.
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Have you not got a pair between your legs to name who you are talking about,rather than 'someone on here'?
Like the majority of the population that didn't vote for that bellend Boris,probably because he had more intuition than knew and knew what an absolute kitson Boris would be.
You're like a parody of Harry Enfield's tory boy,but worst.
That second paragraph, who are you talking about?
You really do jump from nowhere when myself or one or two others post on here.
The defender.
:-)
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Imagine if it was between Sunak and Corbyn. What a dilemma. I think we'd have seen a very low turnout in a very important election.
The choice was even worse last time, but the perennial liar Johnson managed to con millions of people to vote for his party against their best interests, not least by repeatedly lying about Brexit.
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I wonder if COVID hadn't scuttled Johnson what policies etc he'd have enacted.
Of course we'll never know and he didn't have the competency to stay scandal free regardless, but perhaps he'd have done far better than his replacements.
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Have you not got a pair between your legs to name who you are talking about,rather than 'someone on here'?
Like the majority of the population that didn't vote for that bellend Boris,probably because he had more intuition than knew and knew what an absolute kitson Boris would be.
You're like a parody of Harry Enfield's tory boy,but worst.
He's talking about me as ever, and as ever, trying to convince himself I'm a hypocrite. Doesn't matter how many times he does it and gets it wrong, he always comes back with another go.
For the record, as I've said times many, and he's ignored an equal number of times, the last election was the worst choice of who to put into No10 in my lifetime.
But it WAS a straight choice between those two. And as we don't live in an ideal world, grown ups had to decide who they thought was the least bad option.
My take, always, was that Corbyn had the right domestic policies and would have been constrained by his MPs if he'd tried to implement his more dangerous and childish foreign policies
Whereas Johnson led a party that gave full reign to him as liar in chief, and which was and is awash with Russian kleptocrat funds.
So for me it was a no brainer which one to prefer.
Not that any of that will prevent Hound's next attempt to smear me as a hypocrite. Which is one reason why I still have him on Ignore.
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I wonder if COVID hadn't scuttled Johnson what policies etc he'd have enacted.
Of course we'll never know and he didn't have the competency to stay scandal free regardless, but perhaps he'd have done far better than his replacements.
COVID didn't scuttle Johnson. His lies and his support for a sex pest scuttled him.
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Have you not got a pair between your legs to name who you are talking about,rather than 'someone on here'?
Like the majority of the population that didn't vote for that bellend Boris,probably because he had more intuition than knew and knew what an absolute kitson Boris would be.
You're like a parody of Harry Enfield's tory boy,but worst.
He's talking about me as ever, and as ever, trying to convince himself I'm a hypocrite. Doesn't matter how many times he does it and gets it wrong, he always comes back with another go.
For the record, as I've said times many, and he's ignored an equal number of times, the last election was the worst choice of who to put into No10 in my lifetime.
But it WAS a straight choice between those two. And as we don't live in an ideal world, grown ups had to decide who they thought was the least bad option.
My take, always, was that Corbyn had the right domestic policies and would have been constrained by his MPs if he'd tried to implement his more dangerous and childish foreign policies
Whereas Johnson led a party that gave full reign to him as liar in chief, and which was and is awash with Russian kleptocrat funds.
So for me it was a no brainer which one to prefer.
Not that any of that will prevent Hound's next attempt to smear me as a hypocrite. Which is one reason why I still have him on Ignore.
But you still can’t resist writing responses about me.
For the record though, your condemnation of Corbyn after he produced such a shocking GE campaign was much worse than you have just admitted to.
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I wonder if COVID hadn't scuttled Johnson what policies etc he'd have enacted.
Of course we'll never know and he didn't have the competency to stay scandal free regardless, but perhaps he'd have done far better than his replacements.
Of course, Johnson would have done far, FAR better than his replacements, and in my opinion, would have been lining up as favourite for a second period in government now had it not been for COVID, and Labour's exploitation of it.
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I wonder if COVID hadn't scuttled Johnson what policies etc he'd have enacted.
Of course we'll never know and he didn't have the competency to stay scandal free regardless, but perhaps he'd have done far better than his replacements.
''Covid scuttled johnson'' give me a break, johnson is academically clever but his brain is in his dick.
What we do know is johnson and his cohort couldn't stay off the piss and johnson in particular couldn't do his job because his not so private life came first. If he had the ability and skill to take and act responsibly there would be more people alive today and the country would have come out of covid a lot differently.
His replacements Truss and Risky are showing exactly what they can and can't do, which is run the country for the benefit of the people.
Eat out and spread covid .............. vote tory
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I wonder if COVID hadn't scuttled Johnson what policies etc he'd have enacted.
Of course we'll never know and he didn't have the competency to stay scandal free regardless, but perhaps he'd have done far better than his replacements.
Of course, Johnson would have done far, FAR better than his replacements, and in my opinion, would have been lining up as favourite for a second period in government now had it not been for COVID, and Labour's exploitation of it.
Johnson was sacked by his own MP's for lying about appointing a sex pest to his government.
But his fawning accolytes will never admit he did anything wrong.
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Had anyone ever seen BB and Dorries in the same room?
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Johnson was sacked by his own MP's for lying about appointing a sex pest to his government.
But his fawning accolytes will never admit he did anything wrong.
Straw that broke the camels back. Most PMs would have survived that incident.
Johnson was removed by the Tories as he'd become an electoral liability after his popularity nosedived after allowing, even attending, parties in No. 10 whilst at the same time preaching (correctly) to the masses to stay indoors and social distance. And then when this was exposed trying to cover it up.
Democracy in action.
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Johnson was sacked by his own MP's for lying about appointing a sex pest to his government.
But his fawning accolytes will never admit he did anything wrong.
Straw that broke the camels back. Most PMs would have survived that incident.
Johnson was removed by the Tories as he'd become an electoral liability after his popularity nosedived after allowing, even attending, parties in No. 10 whilst at the same time preaching (correctly) to the masses to stay indoors and social distance. And then when this was exposed trying to cover it up.
Democracy in action.
The key point is that if you're a moral black hole and a pathological liar, you're going to act in a way that repulses the majority eventually (even if some people will never find it in their soul to ever criticise you).
Eventually, you are going to push things to the point that you become a liability to your party and have to be disposed of.
If COVID had never happened, Johnson would still never have survived a full 5 years. Something else would have demonstrated him and to be a hypocritical lying Kitson.