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MM, we are all leavers. There are no Remainers, only Remoaners.
You are fighting an old battle BB. The argument about the second vote ended nearly 18 months ago. You are the only one bringing that up now.We have all accepted that we left the EU. We are now dealing with the consequences. Some people seem to prefer not to hear about them, but they are happening nonetheless.
Idler, it is totally democratic to fight on for a cause that you firmly believe in, but how can democracy work if after every vote the losers claim it is their democratic right to overrule it and demand a re-vote?[/quoteSorry BB out shopping. Forage stated that he would fight on if he lost a close vote. That must encourage losers to take the same view.I can accept losing a vote although I did reluctantly vote leave in my postal vote. I was very much 50/50 at the time and probably would have just voted stay if voting on the day.What I can’t accept is the abject failure of anyone in government to make a coherent argument of why we are now better off out whilst getting rid of any benefits of the SM or CU.I never for one minute thought that we would crash out as incompetently as we did and I wouldn’t have voted for this shambles.It’s like going into hospital with a big toe problem and then coming round later to find that this was cured by them amputating your whole leg.Back to the shopping now.
Quote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 10:41:53 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on March 25, 2021, 10:19:45 pmQuote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 09:39:09 pmOkay, I’ll just get on with things then. Get on with what exactly belton? Like lots of Brexiters you're full of sound-bites, but no substance or direction. So, tell us, what are you going to 'get on with' that will deliver the promises of the leave campaigns? And how are you going to deliver those promises? Let's make it easy and start with the "there'll be no downsides to leaving the EU, only a considerable upside" one.I never made you any promises.I’ve never said there are/will be no downsides. I’ve never said there will be considerable upsides.Your confusing me with someone else. That is the first thing you need to understand and overcome: a’Brexiter’ isn’t a political party or a single entity. I didn't say you did belton, I said the Leave Campaigns did. You must remember, those promises you clearly must have believed or you wouldn't have voted leave. And you must still believe those promises as you're not calling them out as lies! So, if you believed them then, and you believe them now, you must have some understanding of how they could be delivered, (us remainers pointed out at the time either how they couldn't, [no disruption, NI/Republic border etc], or that they already could while being a member of the EU, [control of our borders, sovereignty etc], otherwise how could you have voted for them? How could you still support them as you do by saying get on with it? Again then, tell us, what are you going to 'get on with' that will deliver the promises of the leave campaigns? And how are you going to deliver those promises? Let's make it easy and start with the "there'll be no downsides to leaving the EU, only a considerable upside".
Quote from: Not Now Kato on March 25, 2021, 10:19:45 pmQuote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 09:39:09 pmOkay, I’ll just get on with things then. Get on with what exactly belton? Like lots of Brexiters you're full of sound-bites, but no substance or direction. So, tell us, what are you going to 'get on with' that will deliver the promises of the leave campaigns? And how are you going to deliver those promises? Let's make it easy and start with the "there'll be no downsides to leaving the EU, only a considerable upside" one.I never made you any promises.I’ve never said there are/will be no downsides. I’ve never said there will be considerable upsides.Your confusing me with someone else. That is the first thing you need to understand and overcome: a’Brexiter’ isn’t a political party or a single entity.
Quote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 09:39:09 pmOkay, I’ll just get on with things then. Get on with what exactly belton? Like lots of Brexiters you're full of sound-bites, but no substance or direction. So, tell us, what are you going to 'get on with' that will deliver the promises of the leave campaigns? And how are you going to deliver those promises? Let's make it easy and start with the "there'll be no downsides to leaving the EU, only a considerable upside" one.
Okay, I’ll just get on with things then.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 26, 2021, 10:25:20 amIdler, it is totally democratic to fight on for a cause that you firmly believe in, but how can democracy work if after every vote the losers claim it is their democratic right to overrule it and demand a re-vote?[/quoteSorry BB out shopping. Forage stated that he would fight on if he lost a close vote. That must encourage losers to take the same view.I can accept losing a vote although I did reluctantly vote leave in my postal vote. I was very much 50/50 at the time and probably would have just voted stay if voting on the day.What I can’t accept is the abject failure of anyone in government to make a coherent argument of why we are now better off out whilst getting rid of any benefits of the SM or CU.I never for one minute thought that we would crash out as incompetently as we did and I wouldn’t have voted for this shambles.It’s like going into hospital with a big toe problem and then coming round later to find that this was cured by them amputating your whole leg.Back to the shopping now.Farage stated his intent to fight on against EU membership had he lost, but if he had lost, the default position of the UK being members of the EU would not have changed. Things would have carried on as normal, meaning the remain voters would have democratically got their wish instantly.
Again Wilts, regretting it shouldn’t mean not accepting it or refusing to be a part of what could be a promising new era.That attitude is selfish and childish.
Quote from: wilts rover on March 25, 2021, 08:32:39 pmQuote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 08:13:43 pmThat’s all fair enough, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move on either. Too many people wallowing in self pity.I saw a yougov poll today which showed more people regret leaving the EU than supported it. I think you may be waiting quite a while.Where was that poll from, Wilts, and what date? I have seen a YouGov poll that says different, but it's linked in the Daily Express so not allowed as evidence on this forum.
Quote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 08:13:43 pmThat’s all fair enough, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move on either. Too many people wallowing in self pity.I saw a yougov poll today which showed more people regret leaving the EU than supported it. I think you may be waiting quite a while.
That’s all fair enough, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move on either. Too many people wallowing in self pity.
Quote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 08:42:00 pmAgain Wilts, regretting it shouldn’t mean not accepting it or refusing to be a part of what could be a promising new era.That attitude is selfish and childish.The word 'could' doing a lot of work in that sentence Belton, 'could' be a lot of other things other than a promising new era. Which is exactly why people should not be silenced in debating it.Of course if you feel anyone is doing that in a selfish and childish manner then you are of course entirely within your right to point that out. Just as you would to someone gloating over the result and refusing to move on in a selfish and childish manner...
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 25, 2021, 08:52:52 pm Quote from: wilts rover on March 25, 2021, 08:32:39 pmQuote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 08:13:43 pmThat’s all fair enough, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move on either. Too many people wallowing in self pity.I saw a yougov poll today which showed more people regret leaving the EU than supported it. I think you may be waiting quite a while.Where was that poll from, Wilts, and what date? I have seen a YouGov poll that says different, but it's linked in the Daily Express so not allowed as evidence on this forum.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 26, 2021, 06:40:38 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on March 25, 2021, 08:52:52 pm Quote from: wilts rover on March 25, 2021, 08:32:39 pmQuote from: belton rover on March 25, 2021, 08:13:43 pmThat’s all fair enough, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move on either. Too many people wallowing in self pity.I saw a yougov poll today which showed more people regret leaving the EU than supported it. I think you may be waiting quite a while.Where was that poll from, Wilts, and what date? I have seen a YouGov poll that says different, but it's linked in the Daily Express so not allowed as evidence on this forum.Yougov 10th March BB - you can find it here:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1375130362595012608
I can't find the poll you're referring to. All I can find is the bit that says we now have the highest % of voters since April to say that we were right to leave.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 27, 2021, 09:39:46 amI can't find the poll you're referring to. All I can find is the bit that says we now have the highest % of voters since April to say that we were right to leave.Well if you can't find the results of a poll that appears when you click a link, then I'm afraid I can't help you.
Novavax vaccine is going to be manufactured in the North East of England, The company reluctant to sign contracts with the EU due to their dealings in contract talks with other Bio companies. Another high tech company situated in the UK.
My take on this is that throughout most of the pandemic, Johnson and his government have performed like a set of incompetent, blundering, embarrassing clowns.Now, however, we're all getting vaccinated, whereas most of the poor souls in Europe aren't, because the EU's performance with the Astra Zeneca vaccine has been such as to make them look like a set of incompetent, blundering, embarrassing clowns.
And of course with elections in the offing......... vaccines from Teeside will be very welcome so will a new hospital in Donny and 65,000 new homes in Wales, as long as they are not the same as the 200,000 thousand promised by the tories in 2015 ................... not a single one built.