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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Donnyjim on April 17, 2018, 09:49:52 pm
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Pathetic! 2-0 up to a side that has lost the last seven, with the worst record in the league? The team and the manager show once again their weakness in closing games out. Another long old season beckons next year, I'm afraid.
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You clearly never went.
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If you think we played well then obviously neither did you.
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f**k me, we’ve lost one game at home since October. Chill out.
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Masters of our own down fall we should have been clear before the own goal.
Yeah offside and penalty goals don't help but we showed them far to much respect and looks like we even felt sorry for them
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You get strange games at this time of the season. Dead rubbers with some players putting in 5/10% less than normal. Who’s bothered.
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I wouldn’t say we showed them too much respect. Quite the opposite, I thought we got complacent after going 2-0 up. Some poor lapses of concentration.
For all the frustrating factors, I thought Marquis was absolutely outstanding. Phenomenal work rate. Kiwomya should watch him closely and try to emulate it as it was almost cruel to see Marquis still having to chase absolutely everything down even after we’d brought fresh legs on.
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You get strange games at this time of the season. Dead rubbers with some players putting in 5/10% less than normal. Who’s bothered.
I didn't go so can't really comment... but I will on this. Given the way we finished in the last two seasons, and under DF, this did matter a lot to us. It's also about players making the most of opportunities and showing character, especially as most are likely to be part of the squad developing into next season and beyond.
It could be a blip but I really expect more from such a game and now expect more from the final 5.
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It's ok, we won 3-2.
Penalties don't count
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Agree Jonathan, complacency ruled. Too many players switching off. We have to get a partner for JM - it’s criminal. Matty son, you are not a rb after that!
And give me Anderson over Boyle any day.
That was poor in so many ways.
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If you think we played well then obviously neither did you.
Were we meant to close out the game from the 35th minute?
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It's ok, we won 3-2.
Penalties don't count
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Neither do offside goals!
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The booing was uncalled for at FT.
The most frustrating thing for me is after our third there was still plenty of time to push on, we didn’t really seem to have much of a go.
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Pathetic! 2-0 up to a side that has lost the last seven, with the worst record in the league? The team and the manager show once again their weakness in closing games out. Another long old season beckons next year, I'm afraid.
Thought a few of this lot might make an appearance tonight
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Pathetic! 2-0 up to a side that has lost the last seven, with the worst record in the league? The team and the manager show once again their weakness in closing games out. Another long old season beckons next year, I'm afraid.
that statement could come back and bite you on the bum
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It's OK. After a brief foray into semi-happiness, old Jim's resumed his normal programming ;)
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An enjoyable evening of league one football. That will do me!!
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There's some obvious criticisms: Kiwomya's mam who laid out a sweat vest when he clear didn't need it (put him off big time that), the sponsors drinking too much mixed-berry cider choosing Beestin as man of the match when he didn't contribute anything to the game, the atmospheric layer Blair resides in (not the same as his team mates) but all of this would have been forgotten if Rowe had buried that chance at the end.
Strange old game.
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We've had some decent results but it masks the real weaknesses of the team. A team that time after time loses all composure, movement and the ability to do basic things for long spells even when on top.
The midfield becomes static and players like Houghton and Whiteman resort to tentative play and rarely step out to create space and link play. They stand off and allow the opposition too much time to get comfortable on the ball.
Copps then becomes overworked trying to keep things moving, Marquis feels he needs to come deep to help out etc. Kiwomya, largely anonymous.
Why does this keep happening? Fergies has got the responsibility to solve the problems but the repetition makes you wonder whether he's got the wherewithal to correct it.
It all started so well, we had them at sixes and sevens and could easily have been 4 up before they had a sniff at goal. You'd expect confidence to grow but instead the opposite happens. I just don't get it.
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It's a funny old game.
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If Rowe had buried any of his 5 good chances, blah, blah.
That’s us to tee, if Marquis or a defender doesn’t score it appears nobody else is capable.
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Rowe scored two only a fortnight ago
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Some of the football was sublime tonight. There are obviously still some problems to work out but there's clear progress from the dirge we saw over the winter (despite the improved results, you can't deny some of the football was absolutely shite). Had more than enough chances to win it as well, though we never should've let them back in never mind take the lead.
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Rowe scored two only a fortnight ago
And missed 5 tonight.
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There's some obvious criticisms: Kiwomya's mam who laid out a sweat vest when he clear didn't need it (put him off big time that), the sponsors drinking too much mixed-berry cider choosing Beestin as man of the match when he didn't contribute anything to the game, the atmospheric layer Blair resides in (not the same as his team mates) but all of this would have been forgotten if Rowe had buried that chance at the end.
Strange old game.
Beastin got motm because he played down the left hand side in the second half. That's how the sponsors choose. It's always someone near the hospitality area. He played well in the first half but vanished (other than for the sponsors) in the second half. Oh and Coops was pretty hopeless tonight as well.
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Their 3rd goal. The scorer was so far offside I thought there must be some mitigating circumstances. But just watching the highlights now...how in the name of God’s gonads did the officials not see that?
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We've had some decent results but it masks the real weaknesses of the team. A team that time after time loses all composure, movement and the ability to do basic things for long spells even when on top.
The midfield becomes static and players like Houghton and Whiteman resort to tentative play and rarely step out to create space and link play. They stand off and allow the opposition too much time to get comfortable on the ball.
Copps then becomes overworked trying to keep things moving, Marquis feels he needs to come deep to help out etc. Kiwomya, largely anonymous.
Why does this keep happening? Fergies has got the responsibility to solve the problems but the repetition makes you wonder whether he's got the wherewithal to correct it.
It all started so well, we had them at sixes and sevens and could easily have been 4 up before they had a sniff at goal. You'd expect confidence to grow but instead the opposite happens. I just don't get it.
Great post! Sums our seasons up perfectly - surely a lot of what you have eluded to could be addressed in training? But it is like you say ground hog day with DF and the team.
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Yes Groundhog Day, another game and another game we don’t lose. Bloody rubbish Ferguson
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You get strange games at this time of the season. Dead rubbers with some players putting in 5/10% less than normal. Who’s bothered.
Perhaps we should expect 5/10% off the ticket price then?
That's twice now we've been mugged by a relegated team!
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Their 3rd goal. The scorer was so far offside I thought there must be some mitigating circumstances. But just watching the highlights now...how in the name of God’s gonads did the officials not see that?
I was f**king livid. Screamed myself hoarse over that. I've seen some inept officiating in my time but f**k me that was criminal.
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Their 3rd goal. The scorer was so far offside I thought there must be some mitigating circumstances. But just watching the highlights now...how in the name of God’s gonads did the officials not see that?
I was f**king livid. Screamed myself hoarse over that. I've seen some inept officiating in my time but f**k me that was criminal.
Not even close, not even debatable!
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Yes Groundhog Day, another game and another game we don’t lose. Bloody rubbish Ferguson
So we should be celebrating that we have just scraped a draw against the bottom of the table with 16 points difference to the 5th from bottom team then eh?
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When will DF realise Blair is useless as a RB. If he plays him there again then he wants sacking.
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Just listened to DFs post match interview and he called it right in summarising the game conceding that we lost our composure, concentration and discipline after the own goal and stopped doing what he wanted them to do.
The alarming thing though is when he was asked why, he said he didn't know. If he doesn't know and can't address it at half time or get sufficient instruction out there during play, then I'm concerned about the future and not surprised it keeps happening.
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Fill, you can criticise the Lino as much as you like, but there were far worse from some of our players tonight.
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Many posts in this thread are a right joke. People who won't ever be happy unless we win every game.
A very strange one tonight, and yes we gifted them a way back into the game but we played very well in the first half and once again showed we can respond to setbacks by getting a quick equaliser after going behind (to what appeared to be a very offside goal).
We've still only lost 3 games in god knows how many now, and are what, 6 unbeaten now? We're still climbing the table and are almost in the top half. People need to chill out.
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Yes Groundhog Day, another game and another game we don’t lose. Bloody rubbish Ferguson
So we should be celebrating that we have just scraped a draw against the bottom of the table with 16 points difference to the 5th from bottom team then eh?
If you’re still moaning after the run of form we’re currently in then you need to do something else with your Saturday afternoons cause you’re never gonna be happy.
We’ve lost something like two games in 16 and yet we’ve still people on here moaning.
Yes we drew, yes it’s not a great result but do you think we should win every game and if we don’t youll come on here and moan.
We’re 13th in the table, a position most on here said they’d be over the moon with only a few months back, enjoy it rather than looking for every possible opportunity to moan
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Just listened to DFs post match interview and he called it right in summarising the game conceding that we lost our composure, concentration and discipline after the own goal and stopped doing what he wanted them to do.
The alarming thing though is when he was asked why, he said he didn't know. If he doesn't know and can't address it at half time or get sufficient instruction out there during play, then I'm concerned about the future and not surprised it keeps happening.
And maybe he's trying to understand it. Not having a knee jerk reaction, or coming up with some shallow bullshite is a good thing.
He learns, and some things he'll find difficult to learn, some things may take time to learn. That's a bit like you or me, or anyone bar the lazy shites who don't give a toss or are too stubborn and stuck to realise they need to learn at all.
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When will DF realise Blair is useless as a RB. If he plays him there again then he wants sacking.
The full-back business is the elephant in the room as far as Ferguson is concerned. The solution is pretty simple short-term- play Mason RB and Rowe LB for the rest of the season. Not ideal but better than what we had tonight.
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You get strange games at this time of the season. Dead rubbers with some players putting in 5/10% less than normal. Who’s bothered.
People who've paid to watch it.
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I thought some of our football was brilliant last night but very patchy
Tommy Rowe’s footwork should have been rewarded with goals it was like the ball was stuck to his foot, unfortunately the glue made this then stick to their keeper.
Copps looked tired and had little influence on the dame.
Boyle looked as though he was in slow motion but was obviously deceptive as he got to everything
Matty Blair looked gutted when he was subbed hope it doesn’t knock him back
Thought Whiteman had a really good game
Mason looked really good last night - we saw loads of him in West Stand with change in position
How Marquis didn’t get MOM I will never know
Quick comment on officials - thought until they were having a decent game until the ref let Bury’s 43 get away with assault on Marquis (43 looked like he was shiteing himself when JM came back on)
Great to see Butler back btw
Kiwomya was only going to break sweat with all his jumpers on. The lad needs to benefit from a proper pre season and a good dose of enthusiasm from Marquis
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Yes Groundhog Day, another game and another game we don’t lose. Bloody rubbish Ferguson
So we should be celebrating that we have just scraped a draw against the bottom of the table with 16 points difference to the 5th from bottom team then eh?
If you’re still moaning after the run of form we’re currently in then you need to do something else with your Saturday afternoons cause you’re never gonna be happy.
We’ve lost something like two games in 16 and yet we’ve still people on here moaning.
Yes we drew, yes it’s not a great result but do you think we should win every game and if we don’t youll come on here and moan.
We’re 13th in the table, a position most on here said they’d be over the moon with only a few months back, enjoy it rather than looking for every possible opportunity to moan
You realty do make me laugh at times. You are one happy clapper who can never see any faults. Some people travel long distances and pay good money to watch Rovers play. They expect to see 90 minutes of effort. When was the last time we saw that? Last night as good as we were in the first half we were awful in the second half. Saturday at MK it was the other way round. A football match lasts 90 minutes but we only seem to be able to concentrate for half of it.
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I ain’t no happy clapper, I’m just not miserable and sat waiting for the first poor result in a long time so I can come and moan.
We’re not going to play well for 90 minutes are we, we’re a midtable side, a fact most people said they’d be delighted with this season.
So if you’re happy being midtable then you have to accept that a midtable side is going to not play well for 90 mins every game.
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We are currently 3rd in the form table behind only Wigan and Blackburn if we’d won last night we’d be joint top.
Yet reading this forum you’d think we hadn’t won in 6 games
Sums up some of our negative fans
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I wouldn’t say we showed them too much respect. Quite the opposite, I thought we got complacent after going 2-0 up. Some poor lapses of concentration.
For all the frustrating factors, I thought Marquis was absolutely outstanding. Phenomenal work rate. Kiwomya should watch him closely and try to emulate it as it was almost cruel to see Marquis still having to chase absolutely everything down even after we’d brought fresh legs on.
Post of the Thread for me - agree 100%
Marquis was MOTM for me as he ran himself into the ground - largely unsupported and had try to motivate others to assist
Anyway I wont try to add to this Post as it does exactly what it says on the tin
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I assumed that the boo's at full time were aimed at the ref.
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Their 3rd goal. The scorer was so far offside I thought there must be some mitigating circumstances. But just watching the highlights now...how in the name of God’s gonads did the officials not see that?
I was f**king livid. Screamed myself hoarse over that. I've seen some inept officiating in my time but f**k me that was criminal.
I was at the top of the south stand and said straight away it's alright he's offside. Then the silly sod with the flag starts running back to the halfway line. That was a non-decision that would have caused uproar in a Sunday League match let alone a professional game!
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I assumed that the boo's at full time were aimed at the ref.
Me too - what can we expect when its Boyeson though (look him up on Rate the Ref). The Lino should have given it though so he takes a lot of the blame.
There were lots of boos around me by Players Tunnel but most of the people applauded the Players off - I was so p****d off I could not be bothered to "gesture" at the Officials because it was Boyeson !
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On Sunday Manchester United (2nd) lost (LOST) at home to WBA (20th) - 18 places between them. We drew at home to a side 10 places below us, after a very good recent run of results.
It’s football. Sometimes results you don’t expect happen. Even more so at this point of the season. Is it really worth tearing your hair out over?
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No its not worth tearing your hair out, but for 35 minutes Bury were chasing shadows, they looked the most disinterested team we've seen all season, no one seemed to be bothered they got a goal because everyone, including me thought we'd go on to win at a canter. If we had upped the tempo slightly we'd have been out of sight at halftime, instead we came out second half and sat back, we were that far back at times the midfield were treading on the defenders toes
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You get strange games at this time of the season. Dead rubbers with some players putting in 5/10% less than normal. Who’s bothered.
This!
People really need to get a grip, we scored 3 and got a point in an end of season nothing game.
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It’s not miles offside. May have been judged to have been behind the passer when the balls played which would make him onside. Looks just off to me though.
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Fans are entitled to be miffed and express their opinions. We had the home advantage against the worst team (by far) in the league and we couldn't even beat them. By definition that implies we are no better than Bury. Everyone expected a win against what is a poor quality side. True, it doesn't mean we are now going down, but this team consistently shows it's lack of interest at the end of the season. If we were in the play-offs there is no way will we win promotion until Fergie gets to grips with the players' attitude.
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Fans are entitled to be miffed and express their opinions. We had the home advantage against the worst team (by far) in the league and we couldn't even beat them. By definition that implies we are no better than Bury. Everyone expected a win against what is a poor quality side. True, it doesn't mean we are now going down, but this team consistently shows it's lack of interest at the end of the season. If we were in the play-offs there is no way will we win promotion until Fergie gets to grips with the players' attitude.
It doesn’t imply we are no better than Bury at all. You can’t judge anything on one game.
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Opinions are like a**eholes, we all have one.
Now, I’m not saying anyone on either side of the arguments are right but everyone raises good points on specific things and I’m sure games like last night will give Fergie an idea on who is good enough and who isn’t next season.
Least we didn’t lose and look unlikely if relegation now, so let’s get behind the team these last few games and see what happens.
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Gaz
He was WELL offside. Look at the rugby line marking. The player shooting is clearly behind that line. The goal scorer is clearly in front of it. It was a shockingly bad decision.
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No its not worth tearing your hair out, but for 35 minutes Bury were chasing shadows, they looked the most disinterested team we've seen all season, no one seemed to be bothered they got a goal because everyone, including me thought we'd go on to win at a canter. If we had upped the tempo slightly we'd have been out of sight at halftime, instead we came out second half and sat back, we were that far back at times the midfield were treading on the defenders toes
I don't think we came back out at half time and sat back I think Bury were clearly buoyed up after the own goal and came out and really played at a much higher tempo and didnt enable us to continue to pass around them like it was a training ground exercise as we did in the first half. As we know this team doesn't like pressure applied to them by the opposition as it stops us playing the passing game which Fergie wants and so the players panicked and this led to the penalty and the 3rd goal.
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Fans are entitled to be miffed and express their opinions. We had the home advantage against the worst team (by far) in the league and we couldn't even beat them. By definition that implies we are no better than Bury. Everyone expected a win against what is a poor quality side. True, it doesn't mean we are now going down, but this team consistently shows it's lack of interest at the end of the season. If we were in the play-offs there is no way will we win promotion until Fergie gets to grips with the players' attitude.
We must be a better side than Blackburn then.
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Fans are entitled to be miffed and express their opinions. We had the home advantage against the worst team (by far) in the league and we couldn't even beat them. By definition that implies we are no better than Bury. Everyone expected a win against what is a poor quality side. True, it doesn't mean we are now going down, but this team consistently shows it's lack of interest at the end of the season. If we were in the play-offs there is no way will we win promotion until Fergie gets to grips with the players' attitude.
What a lot of nonsense, the side is showing a lack of interest at the end of the season? Outside of the top two we are the side top of the form table.
Unbelievable
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Great result last night. How we managed to go 2-0 and get a 3-3 draw. Top stuff Ferguson. 🤔
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It’s not miles offside. May have been judged to have been behind the passer when the balls played which would make him onside. Looks just off to me though.
I was directly in line in the East Stand. A few minutes earlier the linesman allowed a clear offside that was played out to the Bury left. He wasn't up with play and all those around me berated him ferociously. He shook his head a couple of times but knew he was behind play and no where near. A few minutes later they got the breakaway and as the Bury player went to cross it we all all shouted he's offside. It was as clear as day! If you watched the ref he took an eternity to walk back to the centre and kept looking at the linesman. I got the impression the ref was saying 'Are you sure'. I think the ref had his doubts. The players were protesting and we were all up in arms behind the linno. He just kept shaking his head and ran back to the middle. For the rest of the game he was dying to give an offside and when he did flag the Bury player was in line at worst.
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I ain’t no happy clapper, I’m just not miserable and sat waiting for the first poor result in a long time so I can come and moan.
We’re not going to play well for 90 minutes are we, we’re a midtable side, a fact most people said they’d be delighted with this season.
So if you’re happy being midtable then you have to accept that a midtable side is going to not play well for 90 mins every game.
Why do you think that fans are just waiting for poor results so they can have a moan? We are all fans of DRFC but some can see faults and are quite entitled to air their opinions on the forum. Nobody expects us to perform for the full 90 minutes every game. If we did then we would be at the top of the table or play offs at worst.
How many games however have we played really well for 45 minutes and the polar opposite for the other 45 minutes? Too many.
I bet if you went into the Belle Vue bar and paid for a pint but they served you a half you would still be happy. Thats the equivalent of what fans are experiencing on the pitch.
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What did you expect from this season?
Majority on here wanted midtable
We’ve got it and people are still moaning,
Of course certain fans are waiting for a defeat or a poor performance so they can moan that’s why we haven’t heard from them for such a long time and then a disappointing result last night and they pop up again
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Ridiculous comment. Nobody wants to see us play poorly or get beaten. I think it is more a case of you can't wait for a defeat to pontificate about fans who have the cheek to be upset after a poor display.
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For me, I simply cannot remember when I last enjoyed watching rovers under DF. Yes we can play possession football, but there is no real excitement, guile or passion from the team as a whole. You get it from individuals but not the whole team.
Is that an age thing? possibly?
I do think that DF has had far less funds for transfers compared to his predecessors as well.
However I just find his style of football quite...................boring and slow.
Am I on my own with this? I cant believe I am
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Depends on your perspective really. From one perspective I can definitely see how you could described yesterday's game as 'entertaining'. Some of the football wasn't boring last season, we scored goals for fun. If you want tedious football go back to the Dickov era. That was drudgery.
Our problem is really too many sitting midfielders playing sideways and a lack of dynamism in attacking midfield.
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the 1st time we went full tilt at them ended up with a great move and a lovely goal from Marquis. Last season we put an early press on defences and again resulted in some lovely football, not necessarily goals. This season we seem to have looked to be sitting back and trying to hit teams on the break I wonder what has changed in Fergies mind about how we play this season?
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I'd imagine trying to stop the team leaking goals. It did work to an extent but it's so f**king predictable going forward. Pedestrian stuff that can easily be sussed.
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the 1st time we went full tilt at them ended up with a great move and a lovely goal from Marquis. Last season we put an early press on defences and again resulted in some lovely football, not necessarily goals. This season we seem to have looked to be sitting back and trying to hit teams on the break I wonder what has changed in Fergies mind about how we play this season?
The trouble is when you hit teams on the break you have to have runners breaking out, last night, especially in the second half no ine did that
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Agreed
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And I thought that is exactly what Kiwomya would give us - that springboard from defence to attack aka McIndoe-like. On the evidence of last night, there is not much hope of that happening anytime soon.
I think we have several problems in our team that have not and will not be resolved until the summer:
1. No partner for Marquis. Absolute must find if we are to hang on to the best striker we have had for quite a few seasons.
2. The full back situation. As soon as Andrew got crocked we should have been out with the shopping trolley - but just when we could/should have got one, we lost 3 centre backs!
3. The midfield. Not balanced - and has been average, at best, as a unit all season. An ageing Copps, 3 players all wanting to play the same defensive position and not one suitable wide man who can get round the back of defences. Add to that, an inconsistent Tommy Rowe (this season) and a disappointing loanee in Kongolo.
All the above need a good look at in the summer or yet another misfiring season beckons.
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Ridiculous comment. Nobody wants to see us play poorly or get beaten. I think it is more a case of you can't wait for a defeat to pontificate about fans who have the cheek to be upset after a poor display.
It’s not difficult just have a look when donnyjim last posted. Or why people have disappeared from this forum because we’re in great form.
Look at the people who were posting daily in October when we were losing and hardly posted at all since xmas
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Ridiculous comment. Nobody wants to see us play poorly or get beaten. I think it is more a case of you can't wait for a defeat to pontificate about fans who have the cheek to be upset after a poor display.
It’s not difficult just have a look when donnyjim last posted. Or why people have disappeared from this forum because we’re in great form.
Look at the people who were posting daily in October when we were losing and hardly posted at all since xmas
People disappear from the forum for many reasons. To suggest it is because we are winning is quite frankly ludicrous. Have you maybe considered you might have some influence on why people get fed up of the forum? If you really think that fans leave the forum because we are winning then you have a problem.
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And I thought that is exactly what Kiwomya would give us - that springboard from defence to attack aka McIndoe-like. On the evidence of last night, there is not much hope of that happening anytime soon.
I think we have several problems in our team that have not and will not be resolved until the summer:
1. No partner for Marquis. Absolute must find if we are to hang on to the best striker we have had for quite a few seasons.
2. The full back situation. As soon as Andrew got crocked we should have been out with the shopping trolley - but just when we could/should have got one, we lost 3 centre backs!
3. The midfield. Not balanced - and has been average, at best, as a unit all season. An ageing Copps, 3 players all wanting to play the same defensive position and not one suitable wide man who can get round the back of defences. Add to that, an inconsistent Tommy Rowe (this season) and a disappointing loanee in Kongolo.
All the above need a good look at in the summer or yet another misfiring season beckons.
I think that's a fair assessment and how I see it too.
However the bamboozling thing is, we can play, we can play good football, we can do the basics and more very well But for short periods. Then for some reason, we stop, particularly when something goes wrong we don't react well and panic sets in. Most teams in most games have spells but I struggle to recall a team that suffers as badly as we do, going from the sublime to the ridiculous in a heart beat.
Yes, we're lacking a midfield boss. The midfield equivalent of Marquis who refuses to give way and is tactically smart enough to get things moving again but, DF has had plenty of time to address/coach/instruct the players to deal with it better.
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Ridiculous comment. Nobody wants to see us play poorly or get beaten. I think it is more a case of you can't wait for a defeat to pontificate about fans who have the cheek to be upset after a poor display.
It’s not difficult just have a look when donnyjim last posted. Or why people have disappeared from this forum because we’re in great form.
Look at the people who were posting daily in October when we were losing and hardly posted at all since xmas
People disappear from the forum for many reasons. To suggest it is because we are winning is quite frankly ludicrous. Have you maybe considered you might have some influence on why people get fed up of the forum? If you really think that fans leave the forum because we are winning then you have a problem.
It’s well known on here,
Whenever we have a poor performance or a defeat it isn’t just me that says “I wonder how long it’ll be before the usual suspect make an appearance”
There were plenty asking for Ferguson to go not that long ago and they’ve disappeared now.
Funny that
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I think that certain posters have been conspicuous by their absence during our improved form so have to agree with Dickos
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There are thankfully a very few who only post on here when they have something negative to say but Dickos berates just about anybody who voices concerns about the team. You only have to look at how he pounces at every opportunity on the Hound's posts. Hound isn't remotely among those who only comes on when there's something to moan about, he's a permanent feature on the forum contributing to many debates with positive opinions. Dickos needs to take a look at himself.
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I think the main take away here is that there is a whole world out there away from the keyboard.
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I think you are right re the midfield 'minder' and, to a degree, I believe the manager has relied too heavily on Copps and Rowe to guide the others. Unfortunately, and I've said this before earlier in the season, our experienced players are in the wrong positions. Without a doubt, Copps influence on games, like it or lump it, is waning and we have to look at a serious contender in the summer. I'm not saying ditch him, but that his game time needs to be limited, for the sake of the team and Copps himself. The manager, not so long ago, alluded to this himself.
I think it's time for the captaincy to be handed to Butler, so that we are not so much relying on Copps to be there on the pitch.
We are not the kind of Club that is going to go and sign a boat load of players, so we have to be very careful with our planning on recruitment. DF has gone on record as saying next season he wants more experience (I agree) and he wants 2 players for every position. Well, he may get his wish with experience, but that will not come cheap and therefore the 2 players scenario may only be achieved by having 'cover' players in the squad, I.e. Players who can play a number of different positions, like Mason.
The partner for JM is going to be one hell of a challenge, and costly, so good luck to DF and his backroom staff with that one. Imho, we do not have a ready made player at the Club right now.
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There are thankfully a very few who only post on here when they have something negative to say but Dickos berates just about anybody who voices concerns about the team. You only have to look at how he pounces at every opportunity on the Hound's posts. Hound isn't remotely among those who only comes on when there's something to moan about, he's a permanent feature on the forum contributing to many debates with positive opinions. Dickos needs to take a look at himself.
Not the case there’s many posters who come out with concerns with regards the side and have valid points. I’ve voiced my own concerns this season.
Interesting that you think Its me jumping on hounds every post rather than the other way around
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I think we should leave that argument there. We've had communication with both individuals and put our point across.