Congratualtions Keir Starmer

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

https://apple.news/AIo1GuoKZRA2EY1dtPDwP8A

High ratings there for Andy Burnham as future leader as well.

I've been saying on here for a long time that Burnham would be a good Labour leader. Straight talking Northern lad. Would appeal to a lot of lost Labour voters.

Yet he has lost the election for leader how many times?  As a member of Blair's government and I'm not so sure he's likely to win the labour leadership ever.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Interestingly slavery did not end in Turkey until 1933. Circassian women were the prized possession and were acquired as Sex slaves. So Boris Ohnsons great great grandma was a Sex slave!

if Johnson gets married he will have "scored" an equaliser in his "Beddings"  sorry "Weddings" contest with Corbyn to make the scoreS 3 all
it seems he got divorced in February 2020.

Johnson 2 and counting
Spouse: Marina Wheeler (m. 1993–2020), Allegra Mostyn-Owen (m. 1987–1993)

Corbyn 3
Spouse: Laura Alvarez (m. 2013), Claudia Bracchitta (m. 1987–1999), Jane Chapman (m. 1974–1979)

so Johnson finally "scores" the "late equaliser" which is more than Man City did today "as they played away" to make the "wedding score" Johnson 3 Corbyn 3

Time will tell if anyone can make it 4-3   

"one can only wonder if that hand made wallpaper in No.10 is "so thick" to be sound proof "
lest we forget ....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

[selby]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

[DonnyOsmond]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

He got less than 2% in the London mayoral election. He wouldn't affect how that election went either, if the Tories win it'll be nothing to do with some anti mask crackhead.

[tyke1962]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

Another election and another defeat .

The only question is who apart from themselves they will pin the blame on .

Choose from the following

A , The vaccine boost .

B , Our core voters stayed at home .

C , George Galloway split the vote

D , Jeremy Corbyn

E , Angela Rayner

[SydneyRover]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

Another election and another defeat .

The only question is who apart from themselves they will pin the blame on .

Choose from the following

A , The vaccine boost .

B , Our core voters stayed at home .

C , George Galloway split the vote

D , Jeremy Corbyn

E , Angela Rayner

You have the floor Tyke, use your 'learning' and explain to others how you're going to get the tories out.

[tyke1962]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

Another election and another defeat .

The only question is who apart from themselves they will pin the blame on .

Choose from the following

A , The vaccine boost .

B , Our core voters stayed at home .

C , George Galloway split the vote

D , Jeremy Corbyn

E , Angela Rayner

You have the floor Tyke, use your 'learning' and explain to others how you're going to get the tories out.

What makes you so sure I want the tories out given the alternative ?

[SydneyRover]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

Another election and another defeat .

The only question is who apart from themselves they will pin the blame on .

Choose from the following

A , The vaccine boost .

B , Our core voters stayed at home .

C , George Galloway split the vote

D , Jeremy Corbyn

E , Angela Rayner

You have the floor Tyke, use your 'learning' and explain to others how you're going to get the tories out.

What makes you so sure I want the tories out given the alternative ?

That's entirely up to you and your conscience Tyke, you're very much in danger of sounding more like a jilted lover rather than a rational political commentator. You have fought tooth and nail to deny that your stance helps the tories but now it appears you are even abandoning that position.

Added

However Tyke, if after everything you do find yourself wavering, ignore the promises of 20,000 coppers, 50,000 nurses and 40 new hospitals but do watch this it's less than 3 minute of your life but may mean something to the families of the tens of thousands of those that died unnecessarily:

2 March 2020

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-51706391

[tyke1962]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1445949/Labour-Party-news-batley-and-spen-by-election-candidate-Laurence-fox-reclaim-breaking-news
   Thought I would give the thread a bump for the faithful.

Another election and another defeat .

The only question is who apart from themselves they will pin the blame on .

Choose from the following

A , The vaccine boost .

B , Our core voters stayed at home .

C , George Galloway split the vote

D , Jeremy Corbyn

E , Angela Rayner

You have the floor Tyke, use your 'learning' and explain to others how you're going to get the tories out.

What makes you so sure I want the tories out given the alternative ?

That's entirely up to you and your conscience Tyke, you're very much in danger of sounding more like a jilted lover rather than a rational political commentator. You have fought tooth and nail to deny that your stance helps the tories but now it appears you are even abandoning that position.

Added

However Tyke, if after everything you do find yourself wavering, ignore the promises of 20,000 coppers, 50,000 nurses and 40 new hospitals but do watch this it's less than 3 minute of your life but may mean something to the families of the tens of thousands of those that died unnecessarily:

2 March 2020

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-51706391

Your playing the same game as the tories do Sydney , I suspect inadvertently to be fair but none the less .

To take the heat and scrutiny away from the failings of the Labour Party you focus on what the tories are doing .

I've fought the tories on the ground since 1984 , miners strike , Wapping , Poll Tax , Hillsborough disaster and austerity it's a bit rich taking lessons from someone on the other side of the world who limits himself to posting links from The Guardian on a football forum .

The guilt tripping doesn't wash with me Sydney .

The last straw with me was the decision to bring Mandelson back to the forefront , I can't think of a more despicable man and there's plenty of competition inside the Labour Movement to say the least .

As despicable a figure as all the Bullingdon club put together in my opinion .

The way I see it the former Labour heartlands may as well vote Tory , to keep these gains the tories may well level up up here .

They may well not either but neither did the Labour Party despite 13 years in power and founded to look after the interests of working people .

Yes its got to that unfortunately .

[SydneyRover]

So you don't think that quite a few held their noses to vote in 2017?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.
You repeatedly complain about the last Labour Govt. You drop into this intellectually bone idle stance from the Left that Labour 1997-2010 might as well have been Tories.

Look at school spending.
Look at NHS spending.
Look at infrastructure spending.
Look at the introduction of working tax credits to put more money in the pockets of the lower paid.
And biggest of all, look at the massive support the Labour Govt gave to the economy in 2008 when it was facing a Second Great Depression, and the Tories were screaming for Austerity.

Look at those achievements and then look yourself in the mirror and tell me you truly think that Labour Govt was effectively Tory.

[tyke1962]

So you don't think that quite a few held their noses to vote in 2017?

Well I don't think the younger people who Corbyn attracted to become members of the Labour Party did Sydney .

To be fair the angle Corbyn came in from was pretty impressive policy wise .

Unfortunately he was a weak leader with some disturbing relationships with many questionable people which worked against him in a huge number of areas such as South Yorkshire where they are a significant amount of families who have served their country in the military .

What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum .

That was basically why the red wall crumbled and many unwilling to hold their noses anymore .

Johnson delivered what they voted for in the 2016 referendum .

Starmer was elected as Leader of the Labour Party to build on Corbyn's work post brexit and be the credible face of a socially democratic Labour Party .

It's turned out to be anything but , he's purged the left , brought Mandelson back to the fold and now he's picking fights with the trade unions .

The unification of the Labour Party seems to be to follow Blair's path , take it or leave it .

He's completely fecked himself right over in the former heartlands , a shift towards New Labour which started the party's demise around here and the architect of Labour's brexit postion going in to the 2019 election .

The electorate have concluded they may as well stick with the Tories and some level up money coming rather than Starmer who seems to have difficulty understanding a democratic vote , manifesto pledges and honouring his own leadership election promises .

The party is heading for oblivion unless someone can be found to rescue it , it's not looking like that man is Starmer in all honesty .

A good start would be to recognise the electorate aren't as stupid as the Labour Party take them for .

It's one thing to be fecked over by Johnson and his mob and quite another by a party who were historically founded to represent you .

Nobody seems to see that angle .

[Ldr]

I agree with you 100% Tyke. Too many ppl close to Labour (I.e. ‘activists’ and members) seem to be convinced it’s weakness of presentation and media conspiracies rather than flawed policy and more importantly flawed culture of the party

[SydneyRover]

''It's one thing to be fecked over by Johnson and his mob and quite another by a party who were historically founded to represent you

Nobody seems to see that angle''

Because it's contrary? what in effect you are saying is, no matter how bad the tories feck (sic) you over you won't vote em' out because you feel slighted by your own party.

Must be a good salesperson that sold that one to the rank and file.

[BillyStubbsTears]

"What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum ."

Utter and absolute b*llocks. This has become the Left's next Great Betrayal Myth to pass down the generations.

Here's the real story.

Labour supporters were split roughly 3:1 Remain:Leave. That's been shown in dozens of opinion polls.

From 2017 until early 2019, Corbyn managed to neutralise the Brexit question, mainly by ignoring it. The Corbynistas clapped themselves on the back at the success of this strategy as Labour stayed above 40% in the polls.

Some of us, while impressed by the efficacy of that strategy, warned that it couldn't last. By the next election, Brexit would have come to a head and Labour would have had to come down on one side or the other.

Corbyn did. He came out for Leave in early 2019. And it had a catastrophic effect. Going on opinion poll numbers, that led to a collapse in Labour support on an unprecedented scale. In four months, Labour lost 5 million supporters to the Greens and LDs. They fell to their lowest polling figures in a century.

Anyone on the Left who chucks about this idle accusation that Starmer destroyed Corbyn by pushing for a Ref2 stance is deliberately or ignorantly sidestepping the actual context of early 2019. But hey, as long as it gives them a reason to insist they were right all along...

[tyke1962]

"What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum ."

Utter and absolute b*llocks. This has become the Left's next Great Betrayal Myth to pass down the generations.

Here's the real story.

Labour supporters were split roughly 3:1 Remain:Leave. That's been shown in dozens of opinion polls.

From 2017 until early 2019, Corbyn managed to neutralise the Brexit question, mainly by ignoring it. The Corbynistas clapped themselves on the back at the success of this strategy as Labour stayed above 40% in the polls.

Some of us, while impressed by the efficacy of that strategy, warned that it couldn't last. By the next election, Brexit would have come to a head and Labour would have had to come down on one side or the other.

Corbyn did. He came out for Leave in early 2019. And it had a catastrophic effect. Going on opinion poll numbers, that led to a collapse in Labour support on an unprecedented scale. In four months, Labour lost 5 million supporters to the Greens and LDs. They fell to their lowest polling figures in a century.

Anyone on the Left who chucks about this idle accusation that Starmer destroyed Corbyn by pushing for a Ref2 stance is deliberately or ignorantly sidestepping the actual context of early 2019. But hey, as long as it gives them a reason to insist they were right all along...

60% of Labour constituencies voted leave Billy , that's a clear mandate from their voters as to what their Brexit position should have been .

Starmer's second referendum shenanigans led to the biggest election hiding since the 1930's .



https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/

[drfchound]

So you don't think that quite a few held their noses to vote in 2017?

Well I don't think the younger people who Corbyn attracted to become members of the Labour Party did Sydney .

To be fair the angle Corbyn came in from was pretty impressive policy wise .

Unfortunately he was a weak leader with some disturbing relationships with many questionable people which worked against him in a huge number of areas such as South Yorkshire where they are a significant amount of families who have served their country in the military .

What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum .

That was basically why the red wall crumbled and many unwilling to hold their noses anymore .

Johnson delivered what they voted for in the 2016 referendum .

Starmer was elected as Leader of the Labour Party to build on Corbyn's work post brexit and be the credible face of a socially democratic Labour Party .

It's turned out to be anything but , he's purged the left , brought Mandelson back to the fold and now he's picking fights with the trade unions .

The unification of the Labour Party seems to be to follow Blair's path , take it or leave it .

He's completely fecked himself right over in the former heartlands , a shift towards New Labour which started the party's demise around here and the architect of Labour's brexit postion going in to the 2019 election .

The electorate have concluded they may as well stick with the Tories and some level up money coming rather than Starmer who seems to have difficulty understanding a democratic vote , manifesto pledges and honouring his own leadership election promises .

The party is heading for oblivion unless someone can be found to rescue it , it's not looking like that man is Starmer in all honesty .

A good start would be to recognise the electorate aren't as stupid as the Labour Party take them for .

It's one thing to be fecked over by Johnson and his mob and quite another by a party who were historically founded to represent you .

Nobody seems to see that angle .

"What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum ."

Utter and absolute b*llocks. This has become the Left's next Great Betrayal Myth to pass down the generations.

Here's the real story.

Labour supporters were split roughly 3:1 Remain:Leave. That's been shown in dozens of opinion polls.

From 2017 until early 2019, Corbyn managed to neutralise the Brexit question, mainly by ignoring it. The Corbynistas clapped themselves on the back at the success of this strategy as Labour stayed above 40% in the polls.

Some of us, while impressed by the efficacy of that strategy, warned that it couldn't last. By the next election, Brexit would have come to a head and Labour would have had to come down on one side or the other.

Corbyn did. He came out for Leave in early 2019. And it had a catastrophic effect. Going on opinion poll numbers, that led to a collapse in Labour support on an unprecedented scale. In four months, Labour lost 5 million supporters to the Greens and LDs. They fell to their lowest polling figures in a century.

Anyone on the Left who chucks about this idle accusation that Starmer destroyed Corbyn by pushing for a Ref2 stance is deliberately or ignorantly sidestepping the actual context of early 2019. But hey, as long as it gives them a reason to insist they were right all along...

60% of Labour constituencies voted leave Billy , that's a clear mandate from their voters as to what their Brexit position should have been .

Starmer's second referendum shenanigans led to the biggest election hiding since the 1930's .



https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/

That is a pretty damning report Tyke and an interesting link that you posted but will be ridiculed and discredited without doubt.
I have noticed though that quite a few posters who would have been on here in a flash to join in against you have been absent.
Perhaps not too many of them disagree with you.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.
You repeatedly complain about the last Labour Govt. You drop into this intellectually bone idle stance from the Left that Labour 1997-2010 might as well have been Tories.

Look at school spending.
Look at NHS spending.
Look at infrastructure spending.
Look at the introduction of working tax credits to put more money in the pockets of the lower paid.
And biggest of all, look at the massive support the Labour Govt gave to the economy in 2008 when it was facing a Second Great Depression, and the Tories were screaming for Austerity.

Look at those achievements and then look yourself in the mirror and tell me you truly think that Labour Govt was effectively Tory.

Nothing particularly new about low wage top ups Billy , they've been around for decades so nothing revolutionary going on here .

This policy was rolled out with the best intentions by Brown and took many families out of poverty so I'm not going to criticise the intent .

However let's be clear , working tax credits were only available to a percentage of the population , those with young children .

There's more than a hint of welfare dependency with this policy .

Once the benefit is removed the low pay still remains which offers little incentive to invest in creating skilled and better paid work .

There's more meat on the bones in my opinion to eliminate in work poverty by bargaining agreements and skilling up .

That's more a root and branch approach although as I say the intentions were honourable with WTC .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

Yes, but in very few of those constituencies did a majority of Labour voters support Leave. That is the point.

And there you go again saying that it was the move towards Ref2 that wrecked Labour.

Utter b*llocks.



Labour's policy under Corbyn for the first half of 2019 was to support Leave.

Only from Summer 2019, under Starmer's influence, did policy embrace Ref 2.

Look at that polling graph and tell me Starmer was responsible for Labour's disaster in 2019.

You are like a man who sets fire to his house, then blames the fire brigade for the water damage.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.
You repeatedly complain about the last Labour Govt. You drop into this intellectually bone idle stance from the Left that Labour 1997-2010 might as well have been Tories.

Look at school spending.
Look at NHS spending.
Look at infrastructure spending.
Look at the introduction of working tax credits to put more money in the pockets of the lower paid.
And biggest of all, look at the massive support the Labour Govt gave to the economy in 2008 when it was facing a Second Great Depression, and the Tories were screaming for Austerity.

Look at those achievements and then look yourself in the mirror and tell me you truly think that Labour Govt was effectively Tory.

Nothing particularly new about low wage top ups Billy , they've been around for decades so nothing revolutionary going on here .

This policy was rolled out with the best intentions by Brown and took many families out of poverty so I'm not going to criticise the intent .

However let's be clear , working tax credits were only available to a percentage of the population , those with young children .

There's more than a hint of welfare dependency with this policy .

Once the benefit is removed the low pay still remains which offers little incentive to invest in creating skilled and better paid work .

There's more meat on the bones in my opinion to eliminate in work poverty by bargaining agreements and skilling up .

That's more a root and branch approach although as I say the intentions were honourable with WTC .

If you are going to argue over this, at least get your facts right. WTC was NOT only available to families with young kids.

And I agree about upskilling. Which is why Labour poured money into state education which the Tories had starved of funding before 1997 and did so again after 2010. With the result that more working class kids than in the whole of our history before got higher education and enhanced prospects.

[wilts rover]

So you don't think that quite a few held their noses to vote in 2017?

Well I don't think the younger people who Corbyn attracted to become members of the Labour Party did Sydney .

To be fair the angle Corbyn came in from was pretty impressive policy wise .

Unfortunately he was a weak leader with some disturbing relationships with many questionable people which worked against him in a huge number of areas such as South Yorkshire where they are a significant amount of families who have served their country in the military .

What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum .

That was basically why the red wall crumbled and many unwilling to hold their noses anymore .

Johnson delivered what they voted for in the 2016 referendum .

Starmer was elected as Leader of the Labour Party to build on Corbyn's work post brexit and be the credible face of a socially democratic Labour Party .

It's turned out to be anything but , he's purged the left , brought Mandelson back to the fold and now he's picking fights with the trade unions .

The unification of the Labour Party seems to be to follow Blair's path , take it or leave it .

He's completely fecked himself right over in the former heartlands , a shift towards New Labour which started the party's demise around here and the architect of Labour's brexit postion going in to the 2019 election .

The electorate have concluded they may as well stick with the Tories and some level up money coming rather than Starmer who seems to have difficulty understanding a democratic vote , manifesto pledges and honouring his own leadership election promises .

The party is heading for oblivion unless someone can be found to rescue it , it's not looking like that man is Starmer in all honesty .

A good start would be to recognise the electorate aren't as stupid as the Labour Party take them for .

It's one thing to be fecked over by Johnson and his mob and quite another by a party who were historically founded to represent you .

Nobody seems to see that angle .

"What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum ."

Utter and absolute b*llocks. This has become the Left's next Great Betrayal Myth to pass down the generations.

Here's the real story.

Labour supporters were split roughly 3:1 Remain:Leave. That's been shown in dozens of opinion polls.

From 2017 until early 2019, Corbyn managed to neutralise the Brexit question, mainly by ignoring it. The Corbynistas clapped themselves on the back at the success of this strategy as Labour stayed above 40% in the polls.

Some of us, while impressed by the efficacy of that strategy, warned that it couldn't last. By the next election, Brexit would have come to a head and Labour would have had to come down on one side or the other.

Corbyn did. He came out for Leave in early 2019. And it had a catastrophic effect. Going on opinion poll numbers, that led to a collapse in Labour support on an unprecedented scale. In four months, Labour lost 5 million supporters to the Greens and LDs. They fell to their lowest polling figures in a century.

Anyone on the Left who chucks about this idle accusation that Starmer destroyed Corbyn by pushing for a Ref2 stance is deliberately or ignorantly sidestepping the actual context of early 2019. But hey, as long as it gives them a reason to insist they were right all along...

60% of Labour constituencies voted leave Billy , that's a clear mandate from their voters as to what their Brexit position should have been .

Starmer's second referendum shenanigans led to the biggest election hiding since the 1930's .



https://fullfact.org/europe/did-majority-conservative-and-labour-constituencies-vote-leave-eu-referendum/

That is a pretty damning report Tyke and an interesting link that you posted but will be ridiculed and discredited without doubt.
I have noticed though that quite a few posters who would have been on here in a flash to join in against you have been absent.
Perhaps not too many of them disagree with you.

You don't post and you get criticised.

You post and you get accused of joining in.

You point out that this report has been mentioned quite a number of times in other threads and...

[wilts rover]

So you don't think that quite a few held their noses to vote in 2017?

Well I don't think the younger people who Corbyn attracted to become members of the Labour Party did Sydney .

To be fair the angle Corbyn came in from was pretty impressive policy wise .

Unfortunately he was a weak leader with some disturbing relationships with many questionable people which worked against him in a huge number of areas such as South Yorkshire where they are a significant amount of families who have served their country in the military .

What finished him off was his decision aided by Starmer to move away from their manifesto pledge on brexit and put their name to a second referendum .

That was basically why the red wall crumbled and many unwilling to hold their noses anymore .

Johnson delivered what they voted for in the 2016 referendum .

Starmer was elected as Leader of the Labour Party to build on Corbyn's work post brexit and be the credible face of a socially democratic Labour Party .

It's turned out to be anything but , he's purged the left , brought Mandelson back to the fold and now he's picking fights with the trade unions .

The unification of the Labour Party seems to be to follow Blair's path , take it or leave it .

He's completely fecked himself right over in the former heartlands , a shift towards New Labour which started the party's demise around here and the architect of Labour's brexit postion going in to the 2019 election .

The electorate have concluded they may as well stick with the Tories and some level up money coming rather than Starmer who seems to have difficulty understanding a democratic vote , manifesto pledges and honouring his own leadership election promises .

The party is heading for oblivion unless someone can be found to rescue it , it's not looking like that man is Starmer in all honesty .

A good start would be to recognise the electorate aren't as stupid as the Labour Party take them for .

It's one thing to be fecked over by Johnson and his mob and quite another by a party who were historically founded to represent you .

Nobody seems to see that angle .

This is exactly the post and opinions that Tory strategists want you to have.

Clearly you have missed/don't wish to see that opinion.

[Ldr]

Tyke.

Yes, but in very few of those constituencies did a majority of Labour voters support Leave. That is the point.

And there you go again saying that it was the move towards Ref2 that wrecked Labour.

Utter b*llocks.



Labour's policy under Corbyn for the first half of 2019 was to support Leave.

Only from Summer 2019, under Starmer's influence, did policy embrace Ref 2.

Look at that polling graph and tell me Starmer was responsible for Labour's disaster in 2019.

You are like a man who sets fire to his house, then blames the fire brigade for the water damage.

The problem is buried in there BST. You don’t need to appeal to Labour supporters, you need to appeal to Non Labour voters

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.

Given the split of votes on the centre-Left, Labour ALWAYS needs to appeal to a broad church to have a chance of winning.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.
This from the British Election Survey by the way

"in Labour seats where there was a Leave majority, 60% of Labour voters voted to Remain in 2016."

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/labours-electoral-dilemma/#.YLznqlPTVPx

Labour Leave supporters are, and always were a minority, even in the Red Wall. The problem for Labour is that there are enough of them prepared, like you, to desert Labour, to hand the Tories the seats.

Your choice.

[Ldr]

Ldr.

Given the split of votes on the centre-Left, Labour ALWAYS needs to appeal to a broad church to have a chance of winning.

So what Tyke said is right, if Labour had focussed more on what all constituents wanted in those seats rather than just what the Labour supports wanted they would have likely done better. It’s a hard thing to hear but there is no need for Labour to appeal to you, Wilts or Filo (apologies for using you as examples) as for your own reasons you would vote Labour regardless. They need to attract support from the wider voter base

[drfchound]

Ldr.

Given the split of votes on the centre-Left, Labour ALWAYS needs to appeal to a broad church to have a chance of winning.

So what Tyke said is right, if Labour had focussed more on what all constituents wanted in those seats rather than just what the Labour supports wanted they would have likely done better. It’s a hard thing to hear but there is no need for Labour to appeal to you, Wilts or Filo (apologies for using you as examples) as for your own reasons you would vote Labour regardless. They need to attract support from the wider voter base

Precisely ldr.
Their problem is though that Labour are unable to be attractive to the wider voter base.
Proven.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr
In 2019, a majority of voters across the entire country voted for parties that were against the Brexit that was being lined up.

You are focussing on a minority and saying Labour should have pandered to them. A bit of inconsistent logic going on there.

[Ldr]

Ldr
In 2019, a majority of voters across the entire country voted for parties that were against the Brexit that was being lined up.

You are focussing on a minority and saying Labour should have pandered to them. A bit of inconsistent logic going on there.

And how many of them to use your phrase held their nose. Don’t make the assumption they voted for the party policies 100%

[selby]

  Time is running out for the Party and Stabber.