Congratualtions Keir Starmer

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound. Not from me you don't.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Starmer could have been true to himself and voiced an opinion.
If it is as bad as has been suggested then perhaps he would have been supported by others who were against it.
Did Starmer put his ambitions ahead of anything else.

Or his ambition to sort out the unelectable shambles that the Labour party had become by 2019?

If Starmer were in it for Starmer, he could have had a far less stressful and richer life as a QC.

But yeah. I know. They are all in it for what they can get.

This is a very valid and important point that applies also to other politicians eg rishi sunak.  The one it doesn't apply to is the one who has the top job...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh I dunno BFYP. The current PM used to have a job with the Telegraph which paid him a quarter of a million quid a year for writing the odd article while he was being paid £80k per year as an MP. So clearly they thought he had some worth to them...

Course, he obviously needs that. He's complained recently that the PM's salary isn't enough to get by on.

[selby]

  Stabber wouldn't have had time to defend the MP's who were hounded out of the party, in fact one stated today he still has not made any contact with her.
  So it's a front damage limitation, probably didn't have time before being in Brussels plotting a couple of back stabbings with his mates.

[Donnywolf]

Starmer could have been true to himself and voiced an opinion.
If it is as bad as has been suggested then perhaps he would have been supported by others who were against it.
Did Starmer put his ambitions ahead of anything else.

Its an acceptable rt of Politics these days. Skeletons in everyones cupboard.

Here we have SKS being pilloried for what he didnt do when he had chance. Now he could have been pragmatic / keeping his powder dry until he hopefully in the future COULD do something - which he has now done

Then you could look at Johnson and all the things he did in and out of politics while heading towards his chosen career which included conspiring to beat up a Journo

Its a fact we have to live with here and especially in the USA where potential Presidents will have to watch what they do from Kindergarden right up to the top job in case they ever say or do anything that can and will be held against them in these days of everybody recording everything they hear or see nd they might have pulled somebody elses hair when they were 3

[selby]

  Yes Hound the one thing Stabber is true to is Stabber, especially when he sees a chink of light behind someones back.
  Definitely a first class diamond face not to be trusted at all.

[IDM]

Takes one to know one, eh Selby.?

[EasyforDennis]

  Yes Hound the one thing Stabber is true to is Stabber, especially when he sees a chink of light behind someones back.
  Definitely a first class diamond face not to be trusted at all.

When we have the biggest liar ever attempting to run the country (and failing miserably) I don't know how you have the nerve to call KS

[albie]

Always worth considering the input from Tory commentator Peter Oborne;
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ehrc-labour-antisemitism-starmer-corbyn-soul

Sometimes you have to look a little further than the news reports!

[EasyforDennis]

Always worth considering the input from Tory commentator Peter Oborne;
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ehrc-labour-antisemitism-starmer-corbyn-soul

Sometimes you have to look a little further than the news reports!

Good old Peter Oborne, slightly to the right of Genghis Khan.

[albie]

EFD,

And what is your comment on the article?
That is the point of posting a link.

[Ldr]

Albie, you'll be lucky to get anything apart from "but, but the tories...."

[EasyforDennis]

EFD,

And what is your comment on the article?
That is the point of posting a link.

I haven't read the link therefore I cannot make a comment on its contents. I can comment about Peter Oborne the contributor to the Daily Fail as being extremely right wing however if I wish to.

[EasyforDennis]

Albie, you'll be lucky to get anything apart from "but, but the tories...."

Ha ha as opposed to "What would Corbyn have done" or "Could Labour have done any better?"

[tyke1962]

Definitely more than a hint of draining the left Labour swamp .

Starmer's had his clause lV opportunity to him handed on a plate and he's taken it .

McCluskey can stamp and scream all he wants , Jon Lansman too but Starmer has now positioned Labour five points ahead of the Tories in the latest polls so you can make of that what you will .

If some left Labour people are collateral damage along the way to rid us of these psychopath's in government then so be it I guess .

Not like we haven't been here before in the mid 90's either and Labour were in sight of putting the Tories out of business altogether .

I'll hold my nose of course at the next election and vote for Starmer , only because I've no fecking choice mind other than put up with this vermin for the rest of my days .

No thanks .

[wilts rover]

Always worth considering the input from Tory commentator Peter Oborne;
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ehrc-labour-antisemitism-starmer-corbyn-soul

Sometimes you have to look a little further than the news reports!

Good old Peter Oborne, slightly to the right of Genghis Khan.

It is actually written by Richard Sanders (a Daily Telegraph columnist) and Peter Oborne - so not two people you think would be at all sympathetic to Corbyn. So if they can defend him - then its probably worth the time reading it find out why.

[scawsby steve]

Some of the opinions on the news channels last night suggested that Labour could be heading towards an internal civil war.

What a situation. Here we have one of the worst governments for years, making a complete shambles of the pandemic, and yet could still get re-elected in 2024 because of Labour imploding again.

[Filo]

Some of the opinions on the news channels last night suggested that Labour could be heading towards an internal civil war.

What a situation. Here we have one of the worst governments for years, making a complete shambles of the pandemic, and yet could still get re-elected in 2024 because of Labour imploding again.

Starmer is caught between a rock and a hard place, if he does nothing, people like Selby will use that as a stick to beat him with, and now he’s taken action people like Selby will use it as a stick to beat him with. Then you have Momentum who’s actions have led to the last two Tory Governments, it’s almost like the far left want a far right Government, happy to make lots of noise without the responsibility

[SydneyRover]

I'm not sure why you are scared of Starmer selby, is it his potential success?

[tyke1962]

Some of the opinions on the news channels last night suggested that Labour could be heading towards an internal civil war.

What a situation. Here we have one of the worst governments for years, making a complete shambles of the pandemic, and yet could still get re-elected in 2024 because of Labour imploding again.

I could be wrong but my gut instinct tells me it will blow over in a month .

The left of the Labour Party have very little chips to play with these days .

The party is now firmly in the grip of the centre and it's unlikely anyone will emerge from the left to topple Starmer .

McCluskey can withdraw funding if he wishes but he might like to remind himself that union money comes from the members and not him and they may well support Starmer for all he knows .

The Tory rags will no doubt try and throw fat on the flames but so far as I can see it's over for the left in the Labour Party and the quicker they realise it or feck off to join George Galloway's mob the better the chance we have of defeating this lot in four years time .

[Ldr]

I'm not sure why you are scared of Starmer selby, is it his potential success?

If Starmer had been leader at the last election I would have voted labour

[EasyforDennis]

Some of the opinions on the news channels last night suggested that Labour could be heading towards an internal civil war.

What a situation. Here we have one of the worst governments for years, making a complete shambles of the pandemic, and yet could still get re-elected in 2024 because of Labour imploding again.

You have to remember that the vast majority of the media in this country support the Tory party. So any chance to have a go at Labour they will jump at it.

[scawsby steve]

Some of the opinions on the news channels last night suggested that Labour could be heading towards an internal civil war.

What a situation. Here we have one of the worst governments for years, making a complete shambles of the pandemic, and yet could still get re-elected in 2024 because of Labour imploding again.

You have to remember that the vast majority of the media in this country support the Tory party. So any chance to have a go at Labour they will jump at it.

All the political discussions I watch on the news channels are well balanced. That's why I watch them.

Then again, it's easy for me to watch them, because having no political leanings means I'm not blinkered.

[SydneyRover]

I'm not sure why you are scared of Starmer selby, is it his potential success?

If Starmer had been leader at the last election I would have voted labour

I'm suggesting that's what scares selby

[tyke1962]

Some of the opinions on the news channels last night suggested that Labour could be heading towards an internal civil war.

What a situation. Here we have one of the worst governments for years, making a complete shambles of the pandemic, and yet could still get re-elected in 2024 because of Labour imploding again.

You have to remember that the vast majority of the media in this country support the Tory party. So any chance to have a go at Labour they will jump at it.

I'm onside as long as the polls suggest in Starmer we have a winner .

That's about the total extent of my allegiance to be honest .

The Tory rags can fan the flames all they want , the truth is if they go to work on Starmer its because they are genuinely concerned the Tories won't win the next election .

They won't find the dirt that will stick with Starmer as they found readily available with Corbyn .

Not a fecking chance .

[wilts rover]

I know that other people have more time to watch the news channels (other sources are available) than I have - but am I missing something? Who is it exactly saying there is going to be a 'civil war' in the Labour Party?

I saw Channel 4 News tonight, Kier Starmer was interviewed, he said he doesn't want one. There was a short clip of Len McCluskey, he said he doesn't want one. They said they asked Corbyn and 10 MP's from the socialist group to come on but nobody would - so they clearly don't want one.

This is what John McDonnell has said:

When I stood down as Shadow Chancellor I said I’d try being an “elder statesman.” Well here goes. My advice is that with a bit of explanation over what was meant in various statements we could all save ourselves a lot of unnecessary grief & get on with tackling Covid & job cuts.

https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1322145199066406914

From what I can see, the only people who want a civil war in the Labour Party are people who are not in the Labour Party.

[drfchound]

Neville Chamberlain didn’t want one either.

[ravenrover]

Am I right in saying Starmer didn't actually make the decision to suspend JC but agrees with it?

[wilts rover]

That's what he said in the Channel 4 interview raven.

[tyke1962]

Am I right in saying Starmer didn't actually make the decision to suspend JC but agrees with it?

He didn't make the decision on the record , I'll say no more other than he's done very well out of this , probably more than the media realise .

The feckin media never understand Labour politics at the best of times .

Starmer's  practically buried the left wing in the Labour Party without having to look for a fight .

Everything is falling his way , from this position as I see it he's the next PM .

And I do mean everything which is under tragic circumstances I have to say .

We aren't talking about a 97 type election by any means but he'll win in four years time .

I'll be ecstatic ....... 

Better than the Tories of course ..... 

Just about .