Baroness Jones

[drfchound]

Keep up Sydney, wilts has already posted a link with the footage.

[SydneyRover]

You keep adding zero to the conversation hound ............... it still adds up to zero no matter how often you do it

[drfchound]

You keep adding zero to the conversation hound ............... it still adds up to zero no matter how often you do it

A bit like your question to me a little earlier then.

[bpoolrover]

Here's some fotage of the incident

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/19/west-midlands-police-officer-attacked-woman-pc-oliver-banfield

police reluctant to investigate their own yet again.

while I think the guy should go to jail, if you send people to jail for doing that you would need to build 50 more prisons, unfortunately there is not the space to do that

[SydneyRover]

We can't have people in the police force that we can't trust bp. There needs to be a stricter criteria for selection if coppers don't know they can't share crime scene data or images, inappropriate images nor break the law. Whey should not be allowed to belong to private social media groups nor use encrypted messaging, if they can't deal with that maybe they're in the wrong job.

[Ldr]

If you choose to step outside the law, don't cry when you face consequences. Under current legislation (not saying I agree with as I don't) the gathering was illegal. They knew it, they went ahead, stop whinging

Kate Middleton, the Duchess of Cambridge was in attendence - and not wearing a mask. Are you saying our future Queen broke the law? If so what punishment should she receive?

I'm not a judge, but if she attended a gathering which is against the law then yes, she should face whatever consequences others face

[bpoolrover]

We can't have people in the police force that we can't trust bp. There needs to be a stricter criteria for selection if coppers don't know they can't share crime scene data or images, inappropriate images nor break the law. Whey should not be allowed to belong to private social media groups nor use encrypted messaging, if they can't deal with that maybe they're in the wrong job.

100 percent agree Sydney but what ever job your always going to get horrible people that have no criminal record and until they commit a crime have a clean record

[wilts rover]

We can't have people in the police force that we can't trust bp. There needs to be a stricter criteria for selection if coppers don't know they can't share crime scene data or images, inappropriate images nor break the law. Whey should not be allowed to belong to private social media groups nor use encrypted messaging, if they can't deal with that maybe they're in the wrong job.

100 percent agree Sydney but what ever job your always going to get horrible people that have no criminal record and until they commit a crime have a clean record

So every policeman is a potential criminal that you can't trust? Have a nice day.

In the Channel 4 news story they said a major contributor to the recent spate of incidents is a less rigerous vetting process for current recruits, under Johnson's push to recruit the 20000 new officers he promised to replace the experienced ones cut under the Tories.

[wilts rover]

10 years in jail if you attack a statue.

£500 fine, a night time curfew and you get to keep your job if you are a policeman and attack a lone woman you don't know in the street:

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1372964818542542850

I’m not sure he will keep his job wilts.
He will probably lose his job when the case is heard.

This happened in July last year, 8 months ago. As of today this this 'bloke' is still employed and paid by the public to be a serving police officer.

Its not that they didn't sack him straight away - if you watch the C4 news story they initially refused to investigate him! It's not just him that should go.

[bpoolrover]

We can't have people in the police force that we can't trust bp. There needs to be a stricter criteria for selection if coppers don't know they can't share crime scene data or images, inappropriate images nor break the law. Whey should not be allowed to belong to private social media groups nor use encrypted messaging, if they can't deal with that maybe they're in the wrong job.

100 percent agree Sydney but what ever job your always going to get horrible people that have no criminal record and until they commit a crime have a clean record

So every policeman is a potential criminal that you can't trust? Have a nice day.

In the Channel 4 news story they said a major contributor to the recent spate of incidents is a less rigerous vetting process for current recruits, under Johnson's push to recruit the 20000 new officers he promised to replace the experienced ones cut under the Tories.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/24/alarming-stats-show-309-police-officers-and-pcsos-arrested-for-serious-crimes this was before Johnson was in power,I can’t find any more up to date figures

[belton rover]

You can’t blame the recruitment process for bad eggs getting through. You can put systems in place to prevent that happening as much as possible, but it can never be perfect.
The recruitment process for the police is very rigorous.

[drfchound]

Maybe it isn’t as strict in Australia Belton.

[Filo]

You can’t blame the recruitment process for bad eggs getting through. You can put systems in place to prevent that happening as much as possible, but it can never be perfect.
The recruitment process for the police is very rigorous.

Not rigorous enough that they employ over 200 convicted criminals
https://news.sky.com/story/assault-burglary-and-animal-cruelty-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-working-for-uk-forces-12024264

[BillyStubbsTears]

Maybe it isn’t as strict in Australia Belton.

Constant ad hominems, yet never a word of reproach. How odd.

[drfchound]

Maybe it isn’t as strict in Australia Belton.

Constant ad hominems, yet never a word of reproach. How odd.

Someone of intelligence might see that I hadn’t made a statement of fact.
I thought you were better than that bst..

[SydneyRover]

Always muddying the waters aye hound, try not to take things personally unless of course you want things to be personal .................. never commited enough to state your position.

[SydneyRover]

You can’t blame the recruitment process for bad eggs getting through. You can put systems in place to prevent that happening as much as possible, but it can never be perfect.
The recruitment process for the police is very rigorous.

Not rigorous enough that they employ over 200 convicted criminals
https://news.sky.com/story/assault-burglary-and-animal-cruelty-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-working-for-uk-forces-12024264

''Police officers hold office and are not employees.[5] Each officer is an independent legal official and not an "agent of the police force, police authority or government".[6] This allows the police their unique status and notionally provides the citizens of the UK a protection from any government that might wish unlawfully to use the police as an instrument against them''

Maybe this has to change because although it may protect the police from unlawful behaviour from the government it sure doesn't stop unlawful behaviour perpetrated on the public from the police not in the past and clearly not now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Federation_of_England_and_Wales#:~:text=The%20Police%20Federation%20of%20England%20and%20Wales%20was%20set%20up,strikes%20in%201918%20and%201919.&text=However%2C%20unlike%20a%20union%2C%20the,powers%20to%20call%20a%20strike.

[drfchound]

Always muddying the waters aye hound, try not to take things personally unless of course you want things to be personal .................. never commited enough to state your position.

You never pick up on it when I do state my position Sydney, in your hurry to have a go at me.
Like on the Coronavirus thread last night for example.

[SydneyRover]

try and stick to the topic in hand hound

[belton rover]

Filo, as your link states, a conviction doesn’t (and absolutely shouldn’t, IMO) result in automatic rejection. This has been the case since long before Johnson was there to blame.
Also, the cases in the link refer mainly to convictions whilst serving, with no detail. This has nothing to do with recruitment.

[drfchound]

try and stick to the topic in hand hound

You changed the topic though when you questioned what I posted about.
Perhaps you should take your own advice.
Cant you sleep.

[Filo]

Always muddying the waters aye hound, try not to take things personally unless of course you want things to be personal .................. never commited enough to state your position.

You never pick up on it when I do state my position Sydney, in your hurry to have a go at me.
Like on the Coronavirus thread last night for example.

You never picked up on this correction to one of your accusations yesterday in a different thread

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=280483.msg1038398#msg1038398

[SydneyRover]

Maybe it isn’t as strict in Australia Belton.

Like this lame attempt of a wind up hound?

[drfchound]

Always muddying the waters aye hound, try not to take things personally unless of course you want things to be personal .................. never commited enough to state your position.

You never pick up on it when I do state my position Sydney, in your hurry to have a go at me.
Like on the Coronavirus thread last night for example.

You never picked up on this correction to one of your accusations yesterday in a different thread

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=280483.msg1038398#msg1038398

Be careful Filo, you might be accused by Sydney of not sticking to the topic.
Mind, Sydney won’t have a go at someone on his team.
However, I didn’t read it until you highlighted it just now but I don’t see where BST’s post requested a response.

[drfchound]

Maybe it isn’t as strict in Australia Belton.

Like this lame attempt of a wind up hound?

Of course you never post stuff to get a reaction from other posters do you.

[SydneyRover]

only from you hound 

[Filo]

Always muddying the waters aye hound, try not to take things personally unless of course you want things to be personal .................. never commited enough to state your position.

You never pick up on it when I do state my position Sydney, in your hurry to have a go at me.
Like on the Coronavirus thread last night for example.

You never picked up on this correction to one of your accusations yesterday in a different thread

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=280483.msg1038398#msg1038398

Be careful Filo, you might be accused by Sydney of not sticking to the topic.
Mind, Sydney won’t have a go at someone on his team.
However, I didn’t read it until you highlighted it just now but I don’t see where BST’s post requested a response.

In other words you were wrong, but declined to respond in the hope it’s forgotten, you respond, without request to most things, not sure why you feel the need for a request on that post

[drfchound]

Always muddying the waters aye hound, try not to take things personally unless of course you want things to be personal .................. never commited enough to state your position.

You never pick up on it when I do state my position Sydney, in your hurry to have a go at me.
Like on the Coronavirus thread last night for example.

You never picked up on this correction to one of your accusations yesterday in a different thread

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=280483.msg1038398#msg1038398

Be careful Filo, you might be accused by Sydney of not sticking to the topic.
Mind, Sydney won’t have a go at someone on his team.
However, I didn’t read it until you highlighted it just now but I don’t see where BST’s post requested a response.

In other words you were wrong, but declined to respond in the hope it’s forgotten, you respond, without request to most things, not sure why you feel the need for a request on that post

I just said I hadn’t seen it until you highlighted the post.
Maybe you didn’t see that.
I couldn’t give a monkeys about whether it is forgotten by the way.

[SydneyRover]

it's quite disgraceful that police forces do not on request gather and release statistics for how many criminals work in their particular force. For whatever reason crimals work in the police force the public should be entitled to know whether they were criminals before they started or became criminals in the force and why they still work there.


It probably won't happen in this parliamentary term in the UK but a law similar to this would help.

David Shoebridge a lawyer and MP got a law passed in NSW that with a majority vote in parliament the government of the day has to produce documents as requested by an MP and this law has been used sucessfully several times, once of which is relevant to this conversation as to how useful it can/could be.

''NSW police spent $24m on legal settlements, including for battery and false imprisonment

Police defended and settled almost 300 civil claims against officers during the last financial year''

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/08/nsw-police-spent-24m-on-legal-settlements-including-for-battery-and-false-imprisonment

[belton rover]

Sydney what benefit could there be to the public knowing that a police officer has a conviction?