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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Draytonian III on April 26, 2015, 12:06:14 am
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..............out of the 92 in the top 4 divisions have had a successful season ,I say about 1 in 6 . So I think some of the experts who post on here should think about that before they post on here , Tranmere ,anyone
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Exactly, a lot of our supporters, are blinded by our recent success. There's clubs bigger than us in a terrible mess. A midtable finish in league 1 is far from a disaster
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No not blinded by our recent successes but hopeful that we might have seen some entertaining football at HOME!
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We've had one season out of the last 4 where our home form has been decent and that was last year. So if that's the only problem then you need to look further than just the manager
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I think this is our first average season in years. I don't class getting relegated from The Championship a bad season either by the way.
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I think this is our first average season in years. I don't class getting relegated from The Championship a bad season either by the way.
Even though, with 7 games to play we were in a position where it was harder to go down than stay up?
Some of you would back Dickov if we'd gone down again this season. I hope you have more ambition in your personal lives.
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If you had stopped the last two seasons with 10 games to go would your opinion of PD be different??
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I think this is our first average season in years. I don't class getting relegated from The Championship a bad season either by the way.
This.
And to others on the thread, that is not a reflection of my views on Dickov, just a healthy dose of realism.
92 clubs in the league, the majority by default must "fail" each season if they are relegated or fail to reach at least the play offs. Our turn for mediocrity?
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The money put in by the owners this season will be the least in a long time, the results reflect this. That's football, money talks.
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I disagree.
How much were QPR paying players in the prem before their last relegation?
Money doesn't guarantee success on the pitch, which brings us back to the manager and the players themselves.
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It doesn't guarantee anything but the three teams with the biggest budgets in L1 have finished 1st 2nd & 5th.
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It doesn't guarantee anything but the three teams with the biggest budgets in L1 have finished 1st 2nd & 5th.
They do get the crowds in as well. What right have we to complain if the board shares the ambitions of the majority of the doncastrian public?
We have to work on a budget and to be successful in doing so requires a manager who knows what he is doing.
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Like I've said in another thread you could have the lowest budget in the league and still play entertaining football. So why when we're nowhere near bottom budgetwise have we seen shite for 80% of the season? You're coming up with excuses for poor results, there isn't any for poor performances and lack of effort. That's the big reason attendances are getting smaller and smaller.
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Not sure how you can say lack of effort, but if you are, how is that the managers fault?
Also you Can't have one of the best away records in the division and be shite for 80% of the games.
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Fans have been crying out for PD to play the kids (who are probably not good enough) he does, we play shit and he gets slated. PD can't win.
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Not sure how you can say lack of effort, but if you are, how is that the managers fault?
Also you Can't have one of the best away records in the division and be shite for 80% of the games.
OK, 90% of home games and 40% of away games, which is still the majority of our season. We can disagree with them percentages all day but it'll still be the majority of games we've performed shite in at the end of the day. Again though, you've not come up with any excuses, you've just been a tad pedantic with some percentage I picked out of thin air.
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Fans have been crying out for PD to play the kids (who are probably not good enough) he does, we play shit and he gets slated. PD can't win.
I'm not talking about the last couple of games... We've played two teams with something to play for while we're mid table, nothing to play for and playing a weaker team, we were obviously going to lose. I'm talking about the other 40 odd games in the season.
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Up until this week we'd only lost 5 away games, so we ain't been rubbish for 40% of the away games.
We've been poor at home, but we have been for 5 years
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So you must be happy with what you've seen this season then. :rtid: :thumbsup: :scarf:
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Away from home I am. At home we've been shite
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Fans have been crying out for PD to play the kids (who are probably not good enough) he does, we play shit and he gets slated. PD can't win.
My mate was at the game. He said Lund was one of the few bright spots. Marosi couldn't really be faulted on the two goals. McKay hardly got a kick but Main was no improvement when he came on.
I don't see how you can blame the result on playing youngsters. In any case, there were plenty of senior players out there.
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Fans have been crying out for PD to play the kids (who are probably not good enough) he does, we play shit and he gets slated. PD can't win.
My mate was at the game. He said Lund was one of the few bright spots. Marosi couldn't really be faulted on the two goals. McKay hardly got a kick but Main was no improvement when he came on.
I don't see how you can blame the result on playing youngsters. In any case, there were plenty of senior players out there.
I was there and wouldn't blame the youngsters. OK, they did look a bit out of their depth but at least they put the effort in... i'd say they were let down by the more experienced ones around them (apart from Furman )
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If you had stopped the last two seasons with 10 games to go would your opinion of PD be different??
Of course it would. The football would still be dire but least he delivered something. But we have to play them 10 games and both seasons it's somewhere DICKOV has failed.
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Or indeed where the players have failed. Is it no coincidence that last season Wellens was out for the final batch of games, and this season it has been Keegan? We have lost a big part of our spine towards the end of both seasons..
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If you had stopped the last two seasons with 10 games to go would your opinion of PD be different??
That is a completely pointless argument as the season is 46 games long, not 36.
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Dickov got us into the great position with only 7 games to go. Yes we then fluffed our lines big time but to get us into that position with 7 games to go was a great achievement. Nobody thought we were goin down after that Leeds game
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Or indeed where the players have failed. Is it no coincidence that last season Wellens was out for the final batch of games, and this season it has been Keegan? We have lost a big part of our spine towards the end of both seasons..
but the f**king imbecile Dickov still played wellens on one leg. Not once, but twice!!!!!!! Which cost us big time.
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Or indeed where the players have failed. Is it no coincidence that last season Wellens was out for the final batch of games, and this season it has been Keegan? We have lost a big part of our spine towards the end of both seasons..
but the f**king imbecile Dickov still played wellens on one leg. Not once, but twice!!!!!!! Which cost us big time.
Wellens came back too early, true enough, but wasn't that his own choice? Either way, we lost a key player each season at the business end...
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Or indeed where the players have failed. Is it no coincidence that last season Wellens was out for the final batch of games, and this season it has been Keegan? We have lost a big part of our spine towards the end of both seasons..
but the f**king imbecile Dickov still played wellens on one leg. Not once, but twice!!!!!!! Which cost us big time.
I can only remember the Bolton game, what was the other?
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No not blinded by our recent successes but hopeful that we might have seen some entertaining football at HOME!
Sod the entertaining football. All I want to talk about at the end of the game are the 3 points that we won!
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Or indeed where the players have failed. Is it no coincidence that last season Wellens was out for the final batch of games, and this season it has been Keegan? We have lost a big part of our spine towards the end of both seasons..
but the f**king imbecile Dickov still played wellens on one leg. Not once, but twice!!!!!!! Which cost us big time.
I can only remember the Bolton game, what was the other?
the Bolton game as you say. He started and we under the cosh from the start. It was clear from the start he could barely move.
The second one was reading at home. We were really comfortable drawing 1-1 at the time wellens was introduced. Dickovs nativity kicked in again chasing the game unnecessarily. Again when he came on he was clearly lame. We were overrun from the moment he came on and capitulated to a 1-3 defeat!
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What I would say is if a player declares himself fit, then the manager can't really do much. Especially a player as important as he is
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Or indeed where the players have failed. Is it no coincidence that last season Wellens was out for the final batch of games, and this season it has been Keegan? We have lost a big part of our spine towards the end of both seasons..
With regard to Keegan, when he got injured there was time to bring in a replacement on loan. Instead Dickov used up his funds to bring in another goal-shy striker.
Last season the loan window had closed so he couldn't replace Wellens but he could have played another body in midfield. Instead he stuck slavishly to 4-4-2- apart from at Millwall where we ground out a point despite having a man sent off. A few more ground out points would have made all the difference.
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Well everyone in the ground could see he wasn't fit. What are his physios paid for? He didn't have to pick him!
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What I would say is if a player declares himself fit, then the manager can't really do much. Especially a player as important as he is
I would want to know the opinion of my medical staff as well as that of the player. A player might be desperate to play in a match, but by selecting him you could be damaging your team or worse, shortening his career.
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Well it was pretty obvious he aggrevated the injury early on in the game.
He wasn't struggling during the warm up etc,
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What I would say is if a player declares himself fit, then the manager can't really do much. Especially a player as important as he is
I would want to know the opinion of my medical staff as well as that of the player. A player might be desperate to play in a match, but by selecting him you could be damaging your team or worse, shortening his career.
Of course the manager would've spoken to the medical staff
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I think the point is being missed, I agree few teams will have a successful season and considering our start it was unlikely we would be one of them. Yet I do expect to be entertained to watch the team I support be competitive, react to pressure etc. (remember Swansea, outplayed yet I didn't leave thinking we hadn't bothered) that's all I ask and expect, if we get beat playing that way then bravo to the other team. Unfortunately that has not happened at home this season and the most of last.
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I wouldn't say 7 games was "most of last"
Also we haven't lost every home game have we? We've had a few decent performances at home, and away from home we've had some excellent performances
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Bristol City finished 12th last season on 58 points. That's something to think about.
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Yes they did. They replaced their struggling manager, 2 wins in 18, with someone they thought could do a better job. After half a season settling in, he had them winning the league the next!
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If he is given a decent pre season and we fail I will agree with pd out but until then I don't think he has been given a fair chance
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can't believe the stick pd getting on here, why dose everyone on here think we should be in a top 6 possition , let's name our best players who some of you could take us there wellens copps Bennett Thurman keegan forrester tyson? name one club who approached us about these players during the transfer windows? not one, now that should tell you all something ,we're not good enough simples,if the players I've mentiond are as good as you think why does no other club want them. sorry but pd done the best he can with what he's got
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Same old ...
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If you had a bad meal in a restaurant would you blame the manager or the chef?
If the service was dire would you blame the waiter or the manager?
How many times would you eat there before thinking that the manager ought to change the staff if it kept recurring?
I'm not an expert but I'm not stupid.
Businesses that get it right succeed or at least don't fail, football is no different.
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I wouldn't say 7 games was "most of last"
Also we haven't lost every home game have we? We've had a few decent performances at home, and away from home we've had some excellent performances
I never said that we had lost all our home games or that there hasn't been the odd decent performance but that's the point they have been the exception.
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I wouldn't say 7 games was "most of last"
Also we haven't lost every home game have we? We've had a few decent performances at home, and away from home we've had some excellent performances
Dickos- your comment about home games reminded me of the original "Curate's Egg" cartoon.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate%27s_egg
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I wouldn't say 7 games was "most of last"
Also we haven't lost every home game have we? We've had a few decent performances at home, and away from home we've had some excellent performances
Dickos- your comment about home games reminded me of the original "Curate's Egg" cartoon.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate%27s_egg
I would say that sums up PD to a tee, well done TRB.
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Our friend the curate would no doubt "take the positives" from the egg!
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We have achieved far beyond our wildest dreams, but that doesn't mean we don't want more, it has to be earned, unfortunately we didn't earn the right to promotion, hopefully it's a stability season and we push on next year.
The squad we have is a good one, but there are determination issue's, how many of the players who drag you out of a defeat have we got?,
the technique is mostly there, but the 'There's no way we are losing' attitude that our promotion side's had is missing!.