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Some of the young players on show in the last two games have been quite impressive.Pickford, Gomez, Rashford,Loftus Cheek and McGuire have shown they are ready for regular games while for me, Stones has been a stand out player, his performance against Brazil was nothing short of brilliant.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on November 15, 2017, 09:11:29 amIn nine tournaments at World and European level we have only beat three teams of vaguely top calibre? Argentina, Germany and Netherlands. First two were hardly top draw generations for their countries and the latter albeit an absolute hiding, was on home turf. And if I remember correctly, only the Dutch was a knock out game? Indeed I cannot remember last time we bested a top team in knockout rounds of a tournament. 86 was Paraguay. 82 was? This is piss poor. In 82 we never lost a game, the 82 world cup had two stages of group games, the knockout stage did n't start until the semi finals
In nine tournaments at World and European level we have only beat three teams of vaguely top calibre? Argentina, Germany and Netherlands. First two were hardly top draw generations for their countries and the latter albeit an absolute hiding, was on home turf. And if I remember correctly, only the Dutch was a knock out game? Indeed I cannot remember last time we bested a top team in knockout rounds of a tournament. 86 was Paraguay. 82 was? This is piss poor.
Aye. Stones is a grand player. But is he really amongst the 9 most valuable players of all time? Which is how he was valued when Man City bought him.
Not be long till World Cup Fever strikes again. And I've just seen an article by Phil Neville saying that England has a terrifically talented bunch of players and could go a long way. Which would be nice because we all know how far off the pace we've been over recent times. Or at least I thought I knew. Until I actually went and had a look at the record. Since England beat Cameroon in Naples in 1990 and we all thought we might actually win the bleeding thing, there have been 14 Euro and World Cup competitions. England have won a grand total of 16 games in the finals of those competitions (not including penalty shootouts)World Cup94 DNQ98 Tunisia, Colombia02 Argentina, Denmark06 Paraguay, Trinidad & Tobago, Ecuador10 Slovenia14 NoneEuro 92 None96 Scotland, Netherlands00 Germany04 Switzerland, Croatia08 DNQ12 Sweden, Ukraine16 WalesJust as a comparison, in that time, Germany have won 26 WC final stages matches and 17 EC ones.
Some good stats and theories relating to England in major tournaments here, not sure why it stops at 1990 though. Its not as if England were great before then. So lets have at look at the all time record. Of the 35 Major Tournaments, England have entered 32, Of those England have got to the Semi-Final or further on just 4 occasions. On the face of it that is 12.5% of the time but if we isolate those tournaments England's issues become even clearer.1966: Winners - England played all their games at Wembley Stadium. I'm sure I don't need to explain home advantage to anyone but I expect it was even stronger when playing against players who had probably never been outside of their own country for longer than a fortnight nevermind a different continent for a month and a half. Modern football's globalization has made this less of an issue for many countries I would expect1996: SF - Again England play all their games at Wembley, The most recent Tournament to be played here and the most recent final four appearance. We always think other host countries will go further than usual, The next two World Cups saw France Win and S.Korea as Semi-Finalists.1968 - SF - Of the 8 matches before England's Semi-Final loss to Yugoslavia there was only 1 that required the players brought their passports (A 1-0 victory at the Bernabeu no less). Another final four built on home comforts perhaps.1990 - SF - By far the best performance at an away World Cup. Finishing W1 D5 - going on to win two of those draws in extra-time and lose the other on pens (The win came against Egypt by the way).Almost Every Other Competition - Qualified easily - Knocked out before Semis - 50% of Qualifying is at Wembley/Old Trafford and the Tournaments aren't necessarily always in the UK. This isn't meant to belittle or undermine the performances of those final four squads, But I think there's often a collective (The Fans, The Media, Pundits in General, The FA, Former Players, The Manager, The Coaches and even the Players themselves) idea that these players were god like genius superstars genuinely amongst the best in the world which isn't always helpful or indeed true. If we think we could have won a World cup with Steve McMahon and Neil Webb. Why is it laughable to think James Milner, Emile Heskey, Matt Upson and Jake Livermore couldn't form part of a successful squad? The successful England teams took advantage of the cards dealt to them and did what was necessary to find a way to win (particularly in Italia 90) and that is what The Media, Pundits in General, The FA, Former Players, The Managers, The Coaches, The Players themselves and of course us should have at the forefront of our minds when trying to think of an interesting way to evaluate a couple of 0-0 draws.
All irrelevant without comparable stats from other nations which I'd be interested to see. Knock out tournaments aren't quite the same as the league really because you lose, you're out. Or in group stages, you don't win enough and you don't get the chance to play more matches.
Doesn't Le Tournoi count?