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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyBazR0ver on July 22, 2018, 11:23:05 am
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Probably like many I haven't had a chance to run my eye over the team yet but may toddle along to the Sheff Utd friendly. From what I hear from McCann, what can I expect to see that's different?
1. Fitter. Sounds like he's set a higher bar in terms of fitness and has put more emphasis on being able to sustain a performance throughout the 90 minutes.
2. Quicker. Coupled with the above, keep the tempo at a higher notch and move the ball quicker with better movement.
3. Strategy. A clearer strategy where every player knows their job without fear of changing formation during a game and week to week.
4. Efforts on goal. He's said the rate of taking chances to shoot etc, needs to go up. I'm sure we can all relate to that.
Hopefully, with a more settled formation and the right pegs in the right holes we just might see some players flourish. I'm looking forward to the positive effect the return of Andrew will have and I think this could be a new start for Whiteman. Crawford and Malik sound like they've got an eye for goal which should provide more back up for the overworked Marquis. We have some good young players as back ups and will be able to fill in when called upon.
We need a better season as far as injuries are concerned as last season was almost catastrophic. We can't be that unlucky again surely!
I have a feeling we'll be pleasantly surprised at what we see!
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Probably like many I haven't had a chance to run my eye over the team yet but may toddle along to the Sheff Utd friendly. From what I hear from McCann, what can I expect to see that's different?
1. Fitter. Sounds like he's set a higher bar in terms of fitness and has put more emphasis on being able to sustain a performance throughout the 90 minutes.
2. Quicker. Coupled with the above, keep the tempo at a higher notch and move the ball quicker with better movement.
3. Strategy. A clearer strategy where every player knows their job without fear of changing formation during a game and week to week.
4. Efforts on goal. He's said the rate of taking chances to shoot etc, needs to go up. I'm sure we can all relate to that.
Hopefully, with a more settled formation and the right pegs in the right holes we just might see some players flourish. I'm looking forward to the positive effect the return of Andrew will have and I think this could be a new start for Whiteman. Crawford and Malik sound like they've got an eye for goal which should provide more back up for the overworked Marquis. We have some good young players as back ups and will be able to fill in when called upon.
We need a better season as far as injuries are concerned as last season was almost catastrophic. We can't be that unlucky again surely!
I have a feeling we'll be pleasantly surprised at what we see!
Well bu**er me!.........an excellent positive post. Nice one, DBR! :clapping:
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Regarding increasing the 8% shots on goal, anyone know the ratio in the friendlies so far, just wondered if it had started to increase
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Probably like many I haven't had a chance to run my eye over the team yet but may toddle along to the Sheff Utd friendly. From what I hear from McCann, what can I expect to see that's different?
1. Fitter. Sounds like he's set a higher bar in terms of fitness and has put more emphasis on being able to sustain a performance throughout the 90 minutes.
2. Quicker. Coupled with the above, keep the tempo at a higher notch and move the ball quicker with better movement.
3. Strategy. A clearer strategy where every player knows their job without fear of changing formation during a game and week to week.
4. Efforts on goal. He's said the rate of taking chances to shoot etc, needs to go up. I'm sure we can all relate to that.
Hopefully, with a more settled formation and the right pegs in the right holes we just might see some players flourish. I'm looking forward to the positive effect the return of Andrew will have and I think this could be a new start for Whiteman. Crawford and Malik sound like they've got an eye for goal which should provide more back up for the overworked Marquis. We have some good young players as back ups and will be able to fill in when called upon.
We need a better season as far as injuries are concerned as last season was almost catastrophic. We can't be that unlucky again surely!
I have a feeling we'll be pleasantly surprised at what we see!
Well bu**er me!.........an excellent positive post. Nice one, DBR! :clapping:
Yes you can pack that game in DBR, this place is for the compulsive moaners, you should know that by now! 😀😀😀
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How do you know this is true?
I am sure had it come from Liam Hoden certain posters would be wanting proof GM said this :lol: :lol:
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Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't GM's assessment that the team's been too slow in the build-up to getting the ball forward, and not producing enough shots at goal EXACTLY the same conclusion that many of us have been saying all last season, and have been called compulsive moaners for doing so?
Perhaps the 'gerritforred' brigade wasn't far off the mark!
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Yes, funny how some comments are taken on face value, but other comments are endlessly challenged on this site.
One minute we are told that no-one knows all the budgets in league one as they are not published and confidential, and then in the next thread we are told we had the 7th biggest budget in league one and only came 15th for it.
The bookies who are paying out hard cash and risk losing it but are all wrong, the sports writers are all wrong unless they quote exact word-for-word comments throughout supported by video evidence, and yet words of wisdom come from a few (usually VSC members) on this site.
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"Gone fishin'.....d-d-d-dummm..."
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Why don't you go fishing then instead of showing how stupid you are on here?
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"....no wishin'...d-d-d-dum.."
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Why don't you go fishing then instead of showing how stupid you are on here?
You don't need to Michael. It took less than 15 minutes to get a bite :lol: :lol:
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Everyone loves a bit of Bing, face it.
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Negativity, realism, positivity are all irrelevant when the season kicks off. It would just be nice to have honesty from the board and on this site, without a constant challenge of anything that is 100% positive. Reality and the truth will come out on the pitch in 2 weeks time.
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Yaya, you are depriving some village somewhere of an idiot.
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Yaya, you are depriving some village somewhere of an idiot.
Dunno who this Yaya bloke is, but he's really wound you up.
I'd try and rise above him if I were you.
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Probably like many I haven't had a chance to run my eye over the team yet but may toddle along to the Sheff Utd friendly. From what I hear from McCann, what can I expect to see that's different?
1. Fitter. Sounds like he's set a higher bar in terms of fitness and has put more emphasis on being able to sustain a performance throughout the 90 minutes.
2. Quicker. Coupled with the above, keep the tempo at a higher notch and move the ball quicker with better movement.
3. Strategy. A clearer strategy where every player knows their job without fear of changing formation during a game and week to week.
4. Efforts on goal. He's said the rate of taking chances to shoot etc, needs to go up. I'm sure we can all relate to that.
Hopefully, with a more settled formation and the right pegs in the right holes we just might see some players flourish. I'm looking forward to the positive effect the return of Andrew will have and I think this could be a new start for Whiteman. Crawford and Malik sound like they've got an eye for goal which should provide more back up for the overworked Marquis. We have some good young players as back ups and will be able to fill in when called upon.
We need a better season as far as injuries are concerned as last season was almost catastrophic. We can't be that unlucky again surely!
I have a feeling we'll be pleasantly surprised at what we see!
Sounds ggod to me, we have had a lot of injuries in past seasons so lets hope this new regime helps in that department.
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Yaya, you are depriving some village somewhere of an idiot.
Be careful Michael you know what happens when you criticise one of the yes men.
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By yes-men you mean anyone who isn't convinced that we're going to be relegated with -30 points by December with a team full of 8 year olds.
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Yaya, you are depriving some village somewhere of an idiot.
Be careful Michael you know what happens when you criticise one of the yes men.
Everyone's at it now.
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I think the real Yes men are the ones who say yes to spending their money on attending matches, earning themselves the right to give a positive or negative opinion on the team's performances by doing so. I also think that this forum is an ideal outlet for this.
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I think the real Yes men are the ones who say yes to spending their money on attending matches, earning themselves the right to give a positive or negative opinion on the team's performances by doing so. I also think that this forum is an ideal outlet for this.
I agree 100% BB. Sometimes I think there are as many posters who don't attend games and those that do on this forum. There are quite a few of the rose tinted everything is fine and we should all be grateful for whatever we get ones who seem to be none attendees as well.
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I was rather hoping to talk about football but alas, another thread hijacked. It's getting to be a waste of time on here trying to discuss the merits of the team without tiresome, childish remarks spoiling it. Hopefully soon the actual football will do the talking.
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DBR, who do you think hijacked the thread?
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I don't care!
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I was rather hoping to talk about football but alas, another thread hijacked. It's getting to be a waste of time on here trying to discuss the merits of the team without tiresome, childish remarks spoiling it. Hopefully soon the actual football will do the talking.
That is one of the most sensible posts in ages
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The bookies who are paying out hard cash and risk losing it but are all wrong, the sports writers are all wrong unless they quote exact word-for-word comments throughout supported by video evidence
If that pointed at me, then you're wrong. I haven't said either of those things. Prove me wrong if you're that bothered. But you can't so you won't.
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BACK ON TOPIC
Donny, I posted a couple of days ago on another thread, there is no reason why we cannot be the fittest team in the division, Rotherham prided themselves from the start of last season to be just that, and with a team of little football ability got promotion.
They were not averse to stopping a game with the tactical foul, when teams threatened to break into their half. I am not advocating making it part of our game, but at times last season it was noticeable that it disrupted our play, and we were not as equipped shall we say, being younger and not as cynical as the Rotherham, Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury's of this world, Bristol Rovers at home being the best example of us being bullied.
As for shooting more often, I noted in the report of the Birmingham friendly that Coppinger and even Alfie May had shots from outside the area, so something must have been said.
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The bookies who are paying out hard cash and risk losing it but are all wrong, the sports writers are all wrong unless they quote exact word-for-word comments throughout supported by video evidence
If that pointed at me, then you're wrong. I haven't said either of those things. Prove me wrong if you're that bothered. But you can't so you won't.
Why on earth would you think the comment was aimed at you at opposed to 1,000 other readers of this thread? Quite bizarre. Obviously, we all think you are wonderful.
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BACK ON TOPIC
Donny, I posted a couple of days ago on another thread, there is no reason why we cannot be the fittest team in the division, Rotherham prided themselves from the start of last season to be just that, and with a team of little football ability got promotion.
They were not averse to stopping a game with the tactical foul, when teams threatened to break into their half. I am not advocating making it part of our game, but at times last season it was noticeable that it disrupted our play, and we were not as equipped shall we say, being younger and not as cynical as the Rotherham, Scunthorpe and Shrewsbury's of this world, Bristol Rovers at home being the best example of us being bullied.
As for shooting more often, I noted in the report of the Birmingham friendly that Coppinger and even Alfie May had shots from outside the area, so something must have been said.
Not sure if it would fall under fitness or 'game management', but something to curb the propensity ee seemed to have last season of shipping late goals.
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We had enough trouble with injuries last Christmas and yet we have shed 3 players, 3 loan players and 2 academy players. 8 out and only 3 in. See anything wrong with this pattern?
We had loans last season from Man City, Chelsea and Preston and now we only have 1 loan from Leeds. See anything wrong with this pattern? Without DF's contacts we can't pull in the same sort of loans.
With his wealth of Premier league and Championship experience I don't doubt McCann can drive us up into the Championship with the same players that just need to be fitter and quicker. Arsene Wenger couldn't do it, but I'm sure McCann will.
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Regarding increasing the 8% shots on goal, anyone know the ratio in the friendlies so far, just wondered if it had started to increase
no to much better at the minute but it is early days at this time
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Michael, the only thing I can see wrong, is your analysis of last season, did the players from Chelsea and Manchester City perform any better than our own players?
We have just had reams of posts saying they did not bring a lot to the team, and Boyle played well for me when he did play, especially at Rotherham, but did not play that many games.
And as for Wenger and fitness, the information coming out of Arsenal is that the new manager is demanding better fitness, and has replaced nearly all the fitness side of the backroom staff, and has released Wiltshire for fitness reasons.
In a circus it is no good having animals if they cannot do the tricks, that was Fegies problem, Houghton was not a wide right midfield player, where he played in his last few games, and he never found Rodney's best position.
Square pegs in round holes was a saying used quite often on this forum in the last three seasons by quite a few different posters. And they knew what they were watching.
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We had enough trouble with injuries last Christmas and yet we have shed 3 players, 3 loan players and 2 academy players. 8 out and only 3 in. See anything wrong with this pattern?
We had loans last season from Man City, Chelsea and Preston and now we only have 1 loan from Leeds. See anything wrong with this pattern? Without DF's contacts we can't pull in the same sort of loans.
With his wealth of Premier league and Championship experience I don't doubt McCann can drive us up into the Championship with the same players that just need to be fitter and quicker. Arsene Wenger couldn't do it, but I'm sure McCann will.
So all that hot air to say you don't rate McCann! You do know the way to Oakwell don't you? Oh do I remember you've never been there?
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ravenrover, what's Oakwell got to do with anything? I've known parents who were cousins and still had kids smarter than you.
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Were they yours?
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ravenrover, what's Oakwell got to do with anything? I've known parents who were cousins and still had kids smarter than you.
Marrying cousins is fine it's when you marry your sister that the problems start. Sad that a lot of your responses end up with attempted insults, sadly they aren't very good insults
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We had enough trouble with injuries last Christmas and yet we have shed 3 players, 3 loan players and 2 academy players. 8 out and only 3 in. See anything wrong with this pattern?
We had loans last season from Man City, Chelsea and Preston and now we only have 1 loan from Leeds. See anything wrong with this pattern? Without DF's contacts we can't pull in the same sort of loans.
With his wealth of Premier league and Championship experience I don't doubt McCann can drive us up into the Championship with the same players that just need to be fitter and quicker. Arsene Wenger couldn't do it, but I'm sure McCann will.
You have to be a WUM. We have to pointlessly sign loan players from top teams to prove our manager has contacts?
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It wasn't even a patient build up though. That, I don't mind, cos you can't go at every team 100mph for 90 minutes and you can't always get through teams that way anyway.
The problem was, it wasn't a patient build up. It was f**king about on the ball, passing it from side to side because they didn't have a f**king clue what to do next. It was the cluelessness that was the issue. That and the total lack of pace in any move we seemed to make. It was especially turgid when Coppinger and Rowe weren't involved.
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Have to agree RedJ, the number of times we were geared up for a set play to develop in the opposition's half only to find that it degenerated into nothing became embarrassing; at times the opposition must have pi***d themselves laughing.
However, I do think that DF's tendency to muck about with formations and play players out of position didn't help. Also, an obsession with having players play to instructions took away the propensity for any flair.
If GM can overcome this and get the players to develop a confidence and freedom in how they play going forward then who knows; we could be pleasantly surprised.
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Rj, I hope you didn't watch the England u19s tonight then. They were much worse than us at F*****g about with the ball as you put it.
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It was painfully dull. Dreadful.
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Weren't a lot of our better players missing from the game? something to do with timing of it I read somewhere
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Stephen Taylor reckons last season was the toughest pre season he had ever had and that he was fitter than ever. His weight went down 8 kg from what it had been at Newcastle and his body fat was 7% in comparison with 10%.
One day a week was 4 minute runs x 4 with a 2 min rest in between. Target was 12 full lengths of the pitch. ( I subsequently tried it with an under 18 team- the forth time is brutal)
Much of the focus in training was scoring goals. Small sided 3v3 games on a big pitch- losing side did another 4 min run.
All of which is only really relevant when you consider that on the back of it, Taylor played just shy of 50 games and invoked an appearance clause in his contract, which the club never thought he would given his history and which ironically contributed towards his departure as they couldn't afford to pay him
Taylor full of praise for McCann, technostress he will have us on the front foot and wants to play good football. He felt from a defenders perspective ,that if anything, they were a little too open at times.
All positive stuff.