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That's akin to setting fire to the house you want to buy because you're arguing over a few grand's difference.
I was joking glyn If the vote was stay or no deal I would walk away, if the eu had accepted the little things Cameron asked for this could have been avoided
Ok then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2018, 11:44:42 pmOk then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?Blackpool has never said what he wants nor has Wilts or any of the other Brexiters, not one of them has said what they want and why they want it.They cant do it because their reasons when examined wouldnt stand up to scrutiny, wouldnt make sense, every time they are asked they either ignore the question or change the subject. 66 pages of Brexit debate and they have still not articulted a reason.
Quote from: The Red Baron on July 17, 2018, 09:22:40 amQuote from: bpoolrover on July 17, 2018, 09:00:06 amAlso say there was 3 options and 29 percent voted for a hard brexit 31 for a soft brexit and 40 percent for no brexit who would win?I presume if you used the model Justine Greening is proposing you would then count second preferences, suitably weighted. Although it might not produce anything more convincing than your scenario.That is the difficulty with a second referendum. It may well produce a different result to the first one, but the numbers might not be all that different. Anyone for another 52/48 split?TRB will you really need that when many of those that didn't vote , realise it now matters . It's time the electorate as a whole were encouraged to vote ; there are over 12,000,000 votes not being cast out there. It still has to be a crash out or remain vote - we all know Article 50 could be torn up .
Quote from: bpoolrover on July 17, 2018, 09:00:06 amAlso say there was 3 options and 29 percent voted for a hard brexit 31 for a soft brexit and 40 percent for no brexit who would win?I presume if you used the model Justine Greening is proposing you would then count second preferences, suitably weighted. Although it might not produce anything more convincing than your scenario.That is the difficulty with a second referendum. It may well produce a different result to the first one, but the numbers might not be all that different. Anyone for another 52/48 split?
Also say there was 3 options and 29 percent voted for a hard brexit 31 for a soft brexit and 40 percent for no brexit who would win?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 18, 2018, 12:44:16 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2018, 11:44:42 pmOk then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?Blackpool has never said what he wants nor has Wilts or any of the other Brexiters, not one of them has said what they want and why they want it.They cant do it because their reasons when examined wouldnt stand up to scrutiny, wouldnt make sense, every time they are asked they either ignore the question or change the subject. 66 pages of Brexit debate and they have still not articulted a reason.Sydney - please show me any post or comment that I have made which says I am a Brexiteer.
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Quote from: wilts rover on July 18, 2018, 05:23:52 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 18, 2018, 12:44:16 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2018, 11:44:42 pmOk then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?Blackpool has never said what he wants nor has Wilts or any of the other Brexiters, not one of them has said what they want and why they want it.They cant do it because their reasons when examined wouldnt stand up to scrutiny, wouldnt make sense, every time they are asked they either ignore the question or change the subject. 66 pages of Brexit debate and they have still not articulted a reason.Sydney - please show me any post or comment that I have made which says I am a Brexiteer.I apologise if I am incorrect but, where do you stand, what do you want to happen, what is your preferred option?
Wilts I did warn Sydney further up the thread. Good question do you just play devil's advocate ?
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 18, 2018, 11:41:56 pmQuote from: wilts rover on July 18, 2018, 05:23:52 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 18, 2018, 12:44:16 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2018, 11:44:42 pmOk then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?Blackpool has never said what he wants nor has Wilts or any of the other Brexiters, not one of them has said what they want and why they want it.They cant do it because their reasons when examined wouldnt stand up to scrutiny, wouldnt make sense, every time they are asked they either ignore the question or change the subject. 66 pages of Brexit debate and they have still not articulted a reason.Sydney - please show me any post or comment that I have made which says I am a Brexiteer.I apologise if I am incorrect but, where do you stand, what do you want to happen, what is your preferred option?Quote from: hoolahoop on July 19, 2018, 12:03:23 amWilts I did warn Sydney further up the thread. Good question do you just play devil's advocate ? No not devil's advocate Hoola (I leave that to BB he's much better at that than I am!) but I try and comment factually rather than personally. Where I think Sydney has gone wrong is that he has seen me answering Padge's question and taken the question to be my point of view rather than my answer to it.Where do I stand? I have worked in Europe (as a bricklayer), been to university in Europe, travelled extensively in Europe, had friends from Europe come over to visit me (and taken them to watch Rovers) and spent a lot of time researching wars in Europe. Why anyone would think that they dont want these advantages for themselves is beyond me. It's madness the whole thing. The problem is you cant stop it and pretend the referendum didn't happen and there is very little evidence of people changing their minds. What do I want to happen?What is needed is a deal that most of the country can get behind but unfortunately the way May has gone about the negotiations so far has divided the country more and to date has come up with a deal that hardly anyone can get behind. There is no majority in Parliament for a hard Brexit or to crash out with No Deal but thats where the negotiations seem to be heading. My main concern is how Brexit is leading to the rise of the far-right in British politics and where that might lead.What is my preferred option?A General Election with each party stating directly and comprehensively what their position is. Then people know exactly what they are voting for. If one party gets a majority then they get to implement their plans. If they dont then a national government involving all the party's (who win seats) so they are all involved in it.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2018, 11:44:42 pmOk then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?no deals better than a bad deal. at least then we can forge alliances and partnerships with the commonwealth and rest of the world. too insular and protectionist of the eu to deny us this. remoaners care little about the economics, its purely down to their political beliefs. it's like believing in Britain isn't allowed, and we need a big brother to help us. f**k that, I'm excited of what the world has on offer.
Quote from: Boomstick on July 19, 2018, 06:56:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 17, 2018, 11:44:42 pmOk then BPool. That was a deliberately provocative comment from me. But it’s because I’m very frustrated by this discussion. What, precisely DO you think justifies your support for a no deal Brexit?no deals better than a bad deal. at least then we can forge alliances and partnerships with the commonwealth and rest of the world. too insular and protectionist of the eu to deny us this. remoaners care little about the economics, its purely down to their political beliefs. it's like believing in Britain isn't allowed, and we need a big brother to help us. f**k that, I'm excited of what the world has on offer. I get the impression that German car exporters are also quite chuffed at the opportunities the world has to offer.
but it's all ifs and buts with you remoaners. there are no solid facts of what may or may not happen. It's automatically the worse case economic scenario, to argue your ideology. I prefer to embrace it, ITS HAPPENING.the sooner remoaners realise this and come on board, we will all benefitmoaning and throwing your toys out of the pram achieves nothing, and helps no one, it just makes it harder than it should be. let's look forward and forge a new pathway without the ball and chain of the eu around out necks. onwards and upwards, rule Britannia.
Do I hate immigrants that much lol pretty pathetic bst really not once have I said I hate immigrants, just stick to living your life in your labour bubble bst, a pathetic comment, the answer to the rest of what you say is the minute we stand up and leave the talks are the time the eu will want to talk as aNo deal will cost them more than 500 billion
Quote from: Boomstick on July 20, 2018, 10:43:36 ambut it's all ifs and buts with you remoaners. there are no solid facts of what may or may not happen. It's automatically the worse case economic scenario, to argue your ideology. I prefer to embrace it, ITS HAPPENING.the sooner remoaners realise this and come on board, we will all benefitmoaning and throwing your toys out of the pram achieves nothing, and helps no one, it just makes it harder than it should be. let's look forward and forge a new pathway without the ball and chain of the eu around out necks. onwards and upwards, rule Britannia. Well then, let's hear all of your solid facts about how much better off we're going to be. Economically.
Again, an astounding lack of substance.