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It's just as well the weather is poor, if it was hot and sunny I think there would have been real problems at the pubs.As it is Saturday night might be dodgy. Young people are obviously sick of lockdown, that's why there are all these illegal raves and block parties popping up.
We had to get the little one tested yesterday, as he's I'll. Quite amazing how efficient the process is. Test slot within an hour and results came in overnight, super impressive.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 04, 2020, 08:25:23 amWe had to get the little one tested yesterday, as he's I'll. Quite amazing how efficient the process is. Test slot within an hour and results came in overnight, super impressive.Come on don't leave us on suspense ...... is he OK?
Quote from: ravenrover on July 04, 2020, 03:56:37 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 04, 2020, 08:25:23 amWe had to get the little one tested yesterday, as he's I'll. Quite amazing how efficient the process is. Test slot within an hour and results came in overnight, super impressive.Come on don't leave us on suspense ...... is he OK?Thanks for asking, he is miserable. His test was negative though he seemingly has something else, we've all been a bit off it for a day or so, he's got the brunt but at least we can leave the house. Test within an hour then 13 hours from test to result, can't grumble at that.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 04, 2020, 05:46:45 pmQuote from: ravenrover on July 04, 2020, 03:56:37 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 04, 2020, 08:25:23 amWe had to get the little one tested yesterday, as he's I'll. Quite amazing how efficient the process is. Test slot within an hour and results came in overnight, super impressive.Come on don't leave us on suspense ...... is he OK?Thanks for asking, he is miserable. His test was negative though he seemingly has something else, we've all been a bit off it for a day or so, he's got the brunt but at least we can leave the house. Test within an hour then 13 hours from test to result, can't grumble at that.A good quick response bfyp.Glad to know your youngster is ok.I wonder why no one has agreed with you that the test result coming through so quickly is a good thing.
One point Whitty and Valance kept making was that they didn't want to lock down too soon because they feared people would become fatigued and begin to break the rules too soon.For the last few weeks, I think we have been seeing that fatigue. Whether or not it's a good idea to loosen up so much when many are desperate to go out and socialise I don't know...But perhaps there is a chance their strategy might have been right.
Quote from: River Don on July 05, 2020, 01:31:38 pmOne point Whitty and Valance kept making was that they didn't want to lock down too soon because they feared people would become fatigued and begin to break the rules too soon.For the last few weeks, I think we have been seeing that fatigue. Whether or not it's a good idea to loosen up so much when many are desperate to go out and socialise I don't know...But perhaps there is a chance their strategy might have been right.A touch of historical revision going on there. Never mind too soon, they weren't going to lockdown at all.Which is the the 'strategy', Sweden, Brazil & parts of the US have followed with predictable results. It was the path we followed until 12 March when it was reinforced to Johnson that this could lead to 500000 deaths.Johnson had said on 3rd February other countries imposing a coronavirus lockdown was a an opportunity for the UK and up until 12th March 'no one thought it would be acceptable politically to shut the country down'.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-path-speci/special-report-johnson-listened-to-his-scientists-about-coronavirus-but-they-were-slow-to-sound-the-alarm-idUSKBN21P1VF
RD, it is so much easier to know what should have happened when looking back, with the benefit of hindsight of course.
BSTLooking back I think I had a similar view to you. What threw me was, I trusted the scientists the government was putting in front of the cameras. I knew the virus was very virulent, I thought things out to be locking down straight away and that flights from China and SE Asia ought to be halted. Then Whitty and Valance came on TV suggesting an early lockdown would not make much difference. Then they explained their approach of flattening the peak and extending the period the virus would be active to allow hospitals to cope.It seemed reasonable and I bought into at that time because it seemed the scientists had it modelled and were giving it their best shot with the backing of the government.It was only later that doubts emerged in the public sphere about how these decisions were made and who was influencing scientific advice and the words 'herd immunity' came up.
Quote from: drfchound on July 05, 2020, 06:55:20 pmRD, it is so much easier to know what should have happened when looking back, with the benefit of hindsight of course.I'm not sure what you mean by that Hound, but I'm sure you have thought it through, rather than just chucking it in as another passive/aggressive insult.By 15-16 March, we knew that pretty much every country in Europe was choosing to go into a hard lockdown. We had in-laws in Italy all but crying in video calls with us saying that we must be mad not to learn the lessons from them and lock down ASAP. We as a country chose not to do that. We chose to lockdown later in the timescale of our epidemic than any other European country. We were discussing this at the time in this very thread. So, frankly, I haven't a clue what your "hindsight" comment means. Perhaps you could explain?
Because time and time again, people on here have pointed out what we knew at the time and what we discussed at the time.You consistently decline to engage in that discussion. I interpreted your "hindsight" comment as one that was aimed at dismissing these arguments, without actually engaging with them.If I misinterpreted it, I wholeheartedly apologise.