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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: acko on February 14, 2018, 04:49:31 pm
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Missing again from the starting line up,it is becomeing painfully obvios that he cant do this 2 games a week lark or last 90 minutes anymore.I he hasnt already made his mind up someone will have to do it for him.the same scinareno as ihe LAMPARD,TERRY and GERARD,It certainly wont win any popularity votes for the manager but there should be no sympathy in football.He should go now with all our blessings and thanks
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Is it APRIL fools day ?
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After Copps came on last night, we scored twice. He is still our most important player, we are a far worse team without him on the pitch. We could still get at least another season from him. To let him go now would be foolish beyond belief.
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Absolute cobblers.
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Clearly wasn’t there last night Copps gave us movement, drive, angled balls - he was the difference and the reason we won the 2nd half.
Fergie stated himself that he’d played Copps for 6 straight games which he felt was too much. That was the reason he didn’t start but shows we can’t compete without the quality he brings
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Absolute cobblers.
Which ? Acko or esdailles left foot ?
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" Go now". Seriously ? Unbelievable !! Unless you mean Fergie :)
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I thought Ull fans would be too busy (rightly) bemoaning Ryan Mason retiring
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I do think there is something wrong when our best player is a 37 year old who can't play every game (even though he's one of our fittest players).
The solution though is not to get rid of our best player. That really is madness.
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Ludicrous comparison as well. Terry is still playing and Lampard and Gerrard had lucrative contracts waiting for them in America.
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nobody is suggesting that Copps goes now.what i am saying the manager at this stage should be looking ahead to the players he would like to keep and those what should be playing to impress in the hope of new contrct.As for Lampard,Terryand Gerrardyhey would gave all stayed if offered the contracts they thought they deserved.Tne only contract i would offer Copps is a pay as you play.
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nobody is suggesting that Copps goes now.what i am saying the manager at this stage should be looking ahead to the players he would like to keep and those what should be playing to impress in the hope of new contrct.As for Lampard,Terryand Gerrardyhey would gave all stayed if offered the contracts they thought they deserved.Tne only contract i would offer Copps is a pay as you play.
You suggested he go now in your opening post
Missing again from the starting line up,it is becomeing painfully obvios that he cant do this 2 games a week lark or last 90 minutes anymore.I he hasnt already made his mind up someone will have to do it for him.the same scinareno as ihe LAMPARD,TERRY and GERARD,It certainly wont win any popularity votes for the manager but there should be no sympathy in football.He should go now with all our blessings and thanks
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:chair:
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Missing again from the starting line up,it is becomeing painfully obvios that he cant do this 2 games a week lark or last 90 minutes anymore.I he hasnt already made his mind up someone will have to do it for him.the same scinareno as ihe LAMPARD,TERRY and GERARD,It certainly wont win any popularity votes for the manager but there should be no sympathy in football.He should go now with all our blessings and thanks
Are you having a laugh.
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Copps?
1 word for him still is
CLASS
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nobody is suggesting that Copps goes now.what i am saying the manager at this stage should be looking ahead to the players he would like to keep and those what should be playing to impress in the hope of new contrct.As for Lampard,Terryand Gerrardyhey would gave all stayed if offered the contracts they thought they deserved.Tne only contract i would offer Copps is a pay as you play.
You suggested he go now in your opening post
Missing again from the starting line up,it is becomeing painfully obvios that he cant do this 2 games a week lark or last 90 minutes anymore.I he hasnt already made his mind up someone will have to do it for him.the same scinareno as ihe LAMPARD,TERRY and GERARD,It certainly wont win any popularity votes for the manager but there should be no sympathy in football.He should go now with all our blessings and thanks
I know there are plenty of disagreements on this forum, but contradicting yourself in the first page of a thread of your own starting, takes some beating!!
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No he didn’t
Oh yeah he did
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it's all well and good saying that we are much better when Copps is on the pitch but he commands a wage of a player who should be on it for 90 mins..We pay for the time he cant play just as much as we benefit from when he can...Basically for me if we can agree a contract that reflects what he can play next season when he is 38 that's fine..But if he wants too much then we would be better off letting him go and putting that wage to his long term replacement..Nothing lasts forever sadly...
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But if Copps starts and is subbed after 60-70 mins when we are in a winning position, or he comes off the bench for 20-30 minutes and lifts the team and helps get positive results, isn’t that much the same as playing 90 mins??
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Yes if that actually happens but its not is it...I just don't think it help the team..Opposition managers are not stupid,they know he will be coming off after 70 if he starts.They probably have a new game plan ready for that moment if they need to chase a game..
This summer is the time when Coppinger has to be replaced one way or another as a first team regular..I hope we can agree a contract for him to stay one more year as a impact player from the bench but his contract has to reflect that...
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We do need to find a replacement but buying one "off the shelf" will cost - probably more than giving him another year on the same terms. There are some young lads- Beestin, Mandeville, maybe Longbottom, who could develop into the player to fill that role. I would say they are not yet ready.
Copps is clear that he wants to play on. How galling would it be to see him join another League One club and help them to gain promotion?
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I disagree Baron,I cant see any of those players being good enough in that position to replace Copps,Mandeville seems well out of favour,Longbottom is miles away and Beestin still has a lot to prove.We need to spend money for a more developed player and our budget doesn't afford the luxury of a full paid Copps and a decent replacement
I certainly wouldn't extend his contract on the same terms unless he's payed less than I would expect currently,i also don't think he would get a contract at a top end league 1 club and if he did he wouldn't play much...
I think we have a basis for a good team this year,big paid players like Evina and Williams will disappear off the wage bill freeing funds.Kiwomya with a pre season behind him will be like a new player and Andrews will hopefully be back and fill a big problem we currently have..Add 3 or 4 quality additions and I would fancy us next year if we had more luck on the injury front...
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Any of the three could develop a lot in 12 months, although I take your point about Mandeville and think he could be made available for transfer this summer.
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Personally I believe Mandeville has the most potential but obviously Ferguson has been disappointed with him and the omens aren't good for his future here..Beestin has had a good start but is showing those inconsistency's that all young players at our level have.He could go either way over the next twelve months like you say...
I wouldn't be surprised if Mandeville changed clubs and became a sensation I really wouldn't.Take ATS a player ridiculed by most on here,booed when he played and even laughed at by some when he got injured..People mocked when he signed for Plymouth,now look at him...Came into there team and since then has played a regular part in a team who are flying over the last 3 months and now challenging for the playoffs and the fans absolutely love him and think he should play every game...
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You're definitely on a wind up if you think that, Taylor-Sinclair barely gets a look-in at Plymouth because they saw immediately how naff he is, he's played a grand total of 50 minutes in the last two months whilst they've gone on this winning run.
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He has only played five times in the league since November.
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He's been injured but the there fans have a completely different view of him to we do..They actually think he is a very good player....The point I'm making is that sometimes a change of clubs helps a player and I think that would in Mandevilles case..I'm not sure under DF he has a future here regardless of his potential...
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You've just said he's played a major part in there team over the last 3 months.
They probably like him cause he hasn't played very often.
He was shite for us, as was main, and now he's playing pub football
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must be the only pub in the world classed as a country, is that classed as racist or just ill considered.
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Racist?
It's just a terrible standard of football,
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The standard of football is irrelevant, the pub comment is the offensive part.
Only a pub team having a laugh. DRFC
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It's just a term used to identify terrible football
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Motherwell just happens to be my home town it is along way from a pub team, as an ex player I know how hard the club has to work to even achieve the SPL status it currently has, and by the way they have qualified for European football so not that bad a standard although we were well beaten on each occasion.
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I don't get the knocking of Scottish football. It is what it is!
For sure, the standard may be lower than in England, and the difference between the top sides and the rest is more noticable. However it isn't shite nor pub level.
One of the best games I went to ever for entertainment was the highland derby between Ross Co and Inverness CT in 1997 when they were both in the 4th tier. Neither side would have held their own in the EFL 4th division, but it was entertaining nonetheless.
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Other than Celtic the teams have sides made up from players signed from league one and league 2
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Steven Caulker England International signed Dundee United , there are very few lge 1 or Lge 2 players in the Scottish leagues the vast majority are home grown , the fact is there are far more Scottish players in the top 4 leagues in England , money talks hence the large numbers of imported players in the premier league and the EFL.
Copps is an exception which should be applauded and is an ideal role model for young players , maybe EFL clubs should be investing in this direction rather that going for the short term fix, chasing the dragon usually ends in getting burnt.
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Dickos1
Exactly!!! Professional and a level that is 2nd tier around the rest of Europe! Limit prem and champ to 5&7 none uk based respectively and see how many of these Scottish and L1/2 would be making up championship squads and who knows what else once given a chance.
Its a very good level that most keyboard managers couldn't wash the kit of!!!
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Steven Caulker England International signed Dundee United , there are very few lge 1 or Lge 2 players in the Scottish leagues the vast majority are home grown , the fact is there are far more Scottish players in the top 4 leagues in England , money talks hence the large numbers of imported players in the premier league and the EFL.
Copps is an exception which should be applauded and is an ideal role model for young players , maybe EFL clubs should be investing in this direction rather that going for the short term fix, chasing the dragon usually ends in getting burnt.
A good post redordead, good to see a constructive post putting facts in front of conjecture.
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Steven Caulker England International signed Dundee United , there are very few lge 1 or Lge 2 players in the Scottish leagues the vast majority are home grown , the fact is there are far more Scottish players in the top 4 leagues in England , money talks hence the large numbers of imported players in the premier league and the EFL.
Copps is an exception which should be applauded and is an ideal role model for young players , maybe EFL clubs should be investing in this direction rather that going for the short term fix, chasing the dragon usually ends in getting burnt.
Steven caulker hasn't even had a club for 2 years!
I'm not sure there are too many Scottish players in the prem, just look at the state of the national side.
Just from doncaster recently there's been Quinn, gary woods, Martin woods, main, forester, all very average for us but went to play in the top league in Scotland
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Steven Caulker played for QPR in the last 2 seasons
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Even when he's having a crap game Copps gives us hope.
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He has played four times for QPR this season.
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He has played four times for QPR this season.
Must have been a ringer then - apparently.
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Yep you're correct
He has played four times for QPR this season.
Yep, you're correct.
Hound grow up!
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Matt Ritchie Newcastle,Andrew Robertson Liverpool,
Darren Fletcher ,Charlie Adams
Stoke, Ketchi Anya Watford, Matt Phillips , James Morrison West Brom, Ryan Fraser B,Mouth,, James McArther Crystal Palace, Jay Fulton,
Stephen Kingsley Swansea plus another dozen squad players, then there is the Championship with another 2 or 3 dozen not to shabby from a country with a sixth of the U.K. population.