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For my understanding the original design images showed the East Stand as a two tier stand, had a floating roof. Then went for a cheaper build, I'm sure the sign outside the ground when it was being built where the xp school now is said it was expandable to 20k.
They are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.
I always thought these “pins” were a myth, whatever they are
Quote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 10:49:04 pmThey are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.Think with GM at the helm we would ave 12.000+ assuming we were not losing every week.
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Quote from: Campsall rover on May 07, 2024, 10:57:36 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 10:49:04 pmThey are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.Think with GM at the helm we would ave 12.000+ assuming we were not losing every week. In living memory we have had five seasons in the Championship:2008/9 - ave gates of 10,9642009/10 - ave gates of 10,9922010/11 - ave gates of 10,2582011/12 - ave gates of 9,3412013/14 - ave gates of 9,110Little evidence we can turn out 12,000 plus gates.
Quote from: Nudga on May 07, 2024, 11:13:31 pm#safestandingBut it’s not clear cut as to whether safe standing increases capacity. Yes, it hopefully would do, but not necessarily.
Quote from: Campsall rover on May 07, 2024, 10:57:36 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 10:49:04 pmThey are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.Think with GM at the helm we would ave 12.000+ assuming we were not losing every week. In living memory we have had five seasons in the Championship:The world has changed a lot since then - unquestionably more and more people are disillusioned by top level football, Sky etc,etc.You only have to look at attendances across League 1,2 and now National leagues to see this - and our own recent run has seen an increase in our gates I haven't seen since the sixties when they all said - "Rovers only need 3 wins to get 10,000 "2008/9 - ave gates of 10,9642009/10 - ave gates of 10,9922010/11 - ave gates of 10,2582011/12 - ave gates of 9,3412013/14 - ave gates of 9,110Little evidence we can turn out 12,000 plus gates.
Our section of the North stand is fully sold out as of about 40 mins ago.Don’t know how much segregation there is but it should be over 14.000 gate. Possibly 14.500 assuming Crewe have sold all their 1.589 seats, which they may not have?
Quote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 11:13:09 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on May 07, 2024, 10:57:36 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 10:49:04 pmThey are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.Think with GM at the helm we would ave 12.000+ assuming we were not losing every week. In living memory we have had five seasons in the Championship:2008/9 - ave gates of 10,9642009/10 - ave gates of 10,9922010/11 - ave gates of 10,2582011/12 - ave gates of 9,3412013/14 - ave gates of 9,110Little evidence we can turn out 12,000 plus gates.08/09 was 11964
Quote from: Silkscarf on May 07, 2024, 11:19:05 pmQuote from: Nudga on May 07, 2024, 11:13:31 pm#safestandingBut it’s not clear cut as to whether safe standing increases capacity. Yes, it hopefully would do, but not necessarily.But it would generate a real buzz and atmosphere and be the place where most people want to go.I hate sitting down to watch football and very rarely do but safe standing would give a more authentic terracing vibe that us oldies used to have.
Quote from: TonySoprano on May 07, 2024, 11:22:28 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 11:13:09 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on May 07, 2024, 10:57:36 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 10:49:04 pmThey are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.Think with GM at the helm we would ave 12.000+ assuming we were not losing every week. In living memory we have had five seasons in the Championship:2008/9 - ave gates of 10,9642009/10 - ave gates of 10,9922010/11 - ave gates of 10,2582011/12 - ave gates of 9,3412013/14 - ave gates of 9,110Little evidence we can turn out 12,000 plus gates.08/09 was 11964That’s correct, it was 11,964. Even though that was for several months a very poor season, and we ended in a lower position than the next season, being back at that level for first time in 50 years probably inflated gates artificially. The following season 09/10 was a better one in terms of points and league placing and we had Billy Sharp, yet gates dropped off by 1,000.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 11:36:12 pmQuote from: TonySoprano on May 07, 2024, 11:22:28 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 11:13:09 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on May 07, 2024, 10:57:36 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 07, 2024, 10:49:04 pmThey are proper shit I know but Rotherham have been getting average gates of 10,500 this season. Their last three seasons in the Championship have been between 9,800 and 10,500. Would we get much more at that level? Building a new stand is not going to be required for probably another generation at least barring any oil money or gormless Hollywood types.Think with GM at the helm we would ave 12.000+ assuming we were not losing every week. In living memory we have had five seasons in the Championship:2008/9 - ave gates of 10,9642009/10 - ave gates of 10,9922010/11 - ave gates of 10,2582011/12 - ave gates of 9,3412013/14 - ave gates of 9,110Little evidence we can turn out 12,000 plus gates.08/09 was 11964That’s correct, it was 11,964. Even though that was for several months a very poor season, and we ended in a lower position than the next season, being back at that level for first time in 50 years probably inflated gates artificially. The following season 09/10 was a better one in terms of points and league placing and we had Billy Sharp, yet gates dropped off by 1,000.The novelty factor of the new stadium wore off, then the prices increased paying up to £28 for West £25 in South? Then of course struggling in the league with Mr Dickov post SO'D. Still, these were much higher averages than we'd seen for decades. I really thought there would be a boost in attendances post Covid, with folk just glad to get to games again but alas, the footy wasn't really up to it.
Seriously, the whole "pins" thing was a laugh years ago.If it ever came to it, it would be relatively easy to put a second tier above and behind any of the existing stands. The columns at the back of the existing seating area would then be taking a much higher load than now. If sufficient capacity was built into those columns when the ground was first built, it would be very easy. If that allowance hadn't been made, it would be a bit trickier, but still quite doable. That's miles away from being needed though. We'd have to be an established top half Championship side before it even can on the agenda.
Something else to bear in mind.When we won this division in 03/04, at a time when we were full of drive and optimism, our average attendance was under 7000.We've topped that this year, even though we've been in the bottom 6 for the majority of the season.Plus, in 03/04, we had a lot of local derbies. Hull, Huddersfield, Scunthorpe, Mansfield, Lincoln, York. Nothing like that this year. EDIT. On second thoughts, I'm maybe overplaying this a bit. I was only thinking of Bradford and Mansfield. I forgot Notts C, Grimsby, Stockport and Wrexham all bringing good away followings.I know the counter argument. That was in OBV. But that's part of the point. Over the last decade and a half, we've had a generation of new supporters who have joined us in a modern stadium, with, generally, decent, successful, high-ish level football being served up. That's a generation that is secured for the long haul, whereas when we last made the Championship, we were still coming out of 50 years of failure and low interest in the town.Note that, even when we spent nearly all of 16/17 in the top 5 of this division, we only just topped 6000 as an average.This year's, and even last year's attendances indicate that something has changed. There's a bigger bedrock of loyal fans than we've had in my lifetime now. I suspect that if we did become established in the Championship (big if) we'd be selling out the home tickets pretty much every week. Worth pondering in terms of what the potential fanbase now is.