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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 22, 2019, 10:14:26 pmWilts. In 2010, Corbyn stood and was elected on the agreed Labour manifesto. But there he was. In his own, rather excruciating wrds saying that people were voting for him. Personally. Not necessarily for the party.Now, much as Momentum want to paint this as a "You're either in the Church of the Blessed St Jeremy the Infallible or your a Tory like Umunna", I have no axe to grind for a bunch of people well to the right of me who have left Labour. My point is that Corbyn doesn't have the moral high ground here. Because he has spent his lifetime being the rebel, putting HIS principles above all, he now cannot call for other people to put THEIR principles to one side. Because, strange though it might sound to committed far leftists (and I've been there) outside that room full of people who agree with your ideological position where you polish up YOUR principles, there are people equally believing in THEIR principles which are different. Sorry no. Where are the principles here? Corbyn put his principles out to the electorate before the election and said vote for me or not. These MP's stood on a Labour manifesto - got elected on that - now they don't like it and want to stand for something else!!! And it comes out today that they are willing to vote with the Tories to keep May in power!!!There's something going on here and it's certainly not principle. If they were principled they would stand for re-election on what they believe now.
Wilts. In 2010, Corbyn stood and was elected on the agreed Labour manifesto. But there he was. In his own, rather excruciating wrds saying that people were voting for him. Personally. Not necessarily for the party.Now, much as Momentum want to paint this as a "You're either in the Church of the Blessed St Jeremy the Infallible or your a Tory like Umunna", I have no axe to grind for a bunch of people well to the right of me who have left Labour. My point is that Corbyn doesn't have the moral high ground here. Because he has spent his lifetime being the rebel, putting HIS principles above all, he now cannot call for other people to put THEIR principles to one side. Because, strange though it might sound to committed far leftists (and I've been there) outside that room full of people who agree with your ideological position where you polish up YOUR principles, there are people equally believing in THEIR principles which are different.
Scary numbers for Labour in these poll results. https://medium.com/@theobertram/the-week-that-labour-lost-3307ecd58ce5We've finally got to the inevitable outcome of Corbynism. The apparent polling support Labour had was always piss and wind. It's rapidly evaporating. What a mess.
It depends how many don't knows and that said no difference Glyn.It might make it clearer if they gave percentages for all options.
A moot point but unless more than 40% openly state that they would prefer Corbyn then his supporters aren't in the majority either.
The vermin in parliament who are trying every trick in the book to block Brexit are traitors and should all be executed for treason.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on February 26, 2019, 03:09:11 pmThe vermin in parliament who are trying every trick in the book to block Brexit are traitors and should all be executed for treason.Toddle of to Iran or Saudi Arabia. That's what they'd do there.One thing that Brexit has done. It'd smoked out loads of people who claim to be in favour of democracy, but haven't actually got a f**king clue what it means.