Trump and democracy

[ravenrover]

Some deluded Trump followers asking for a pardon now they have been arrested for the Capitol invasion. "We only did what he told us to do and now I will have a police record and might go to jail"!
Only 1 person DJT cares about, the one he sees in the mirror

[belton rover]

Some deluded Trump followers asking for a pardon now they have been arrested for the Capitol invasion. "We only did what he told us to do and now I will have a police record and might go to jail"!
Only 1 person DJT cares about, the one he sees in the mirror

Thankfully, but not unexpectedly, his ‘supporters’ seem to be deserting the ship.

[Not Now Kato]

Capitol Building in Washington of full lockdown. No one allowed in or out!  WTF is going on over there?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Only the ones who've been caught and are shitting themselves at the thought of getting jailtime.

Trump. The man who put the 'riot' into 'patriotism'.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Capitol Building in Washington of full lockdown. No one allowed in or out!  WTF is going on over there?

The Michigan Capitol building was surrounded by 'protesters' yesterday. It wouldn't surprise me if this happened in other states now that Washington is being tightened up.

[Not Now Kato]

Only the ones who've been caught and are shitting themselves at the thought of getting jailtime.

Trump. The man who put the 'riot' into 'patriotism'.

Here's one guy who will be hoping for a pardon....
 
https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1356006/download
 
Jon Schaffer, the founder and rhythm guitarist of Metallica-knock-off heavy metal band Iced Earth. Looks like the Department of Justice is going to throw the book at him.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well. Scorched Earth policy it is as the man-child leaves the White House.

With the UK and Brazil dealing with dangerous new COVID variants, and with the USA already seeing 3000+ deaths a day from COVID, Trump signs an order to entirely open up travel from the UK and Brazil to the USA.

He's regularly commented on how Biden would get the plaudits for defeating COVID. This is a textbook Trump "f**k you, buster" move.

As I've said countless times, every time you think you've reached the base line of his sociopathic amorality...

[Glyn_Wigley]

Well. Scorched Earth policy it is as the man-child leaves the White House.

With the UK and Brazil dealing with dangerous new COVID variants, and with the USA already seeing 3000+ deaths a day from COVID, Trump signs an order to entirely open up travel from the UK and Brazil to the USA.

He's regularly commented on how Biden would get the plaudits for defeating COVID. This is a textbook Trump "f**k you, buster" move.

As I've said countless times, every time you think you've reached the base line of his sociopathic amorality...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55713570

[drfchound]

Trump is nuts.
It’s a good job that the incoming administration has decided to overturn that decision.

[ravenrover]

Biden promptly killed that idea by saying the corridors would not be opened and that restrictions may in fact be tightened. Wonder Trump was hoping to flee to?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Let's hope floating that batshit idea to open up the travel corridors is as insane as it gets in his final few hours. Be interesting to see which career crooks he gives pardons to today. He's already given pardons to the main three people who took the fall for him in the Mueller Inquiry. Classic mafia tactics. You take the fall to protect the Don. The Don looks after you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bloody hell. He's gone!

[belton rover]

Well whaddayerknow!

[drfchound]

Did anyone get executed then.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did anyone get executed then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-55236260

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think this is what you call something like a return to sanity.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1352034453166682112

[SydneyRover]

Rise of the Nazis, second prog and the parallels in how the German legal system was subverted, sidelined and the rise of the SS. I hope this impeachment is successful.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is a gem!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1351983558504579072

[tyke1962]

So sleepy Joe comes to the rescue on a white horse  ....... as if .

He's got elected because Covid arrived and he isn't Trump , those are his credentials apparently .

Another four years of the Democrats doing feck all other than suck up to the giant corporations and great wealth then .

Doh .... that's how the US got Trump four years ago and 74 million are still with him .

Unless the Democrats put right the reasons Trump got elected and in four years time they have successfully put the US electorate in a postion that to vote Republican scares them to death then I'm afraid the last four years won't go away .

If you want to know where Biden actually stands with the low earner US voter then see if you can find Bernie Sanders anywhere near a top job under his administration .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Aye, Chair of the Senate Budget Committee. Such a nothing job.

Unless you were expecting Sanders to resign from Congress at all?

[wilts rover]

Biden has chosen Deb Haaland to lead the Dept of the Interior.

Haaland is the first American Indian to be in a Presidental Cabinet - and there is no group of voters that are any more low earners, in depravation, or fighting big corporations for their rights, than American Indians.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glyn.

Exactly.

Biden and Sanders were discussing a role for Sanders in Biden's cabinet. They decided that Sanders was better remaining in the Senate and giving the Democrats control, than risking losing a by-election.

Tyke. I've asked before. What exactly do you think a left-leaning politician can do to attract voters who voted for a criminal, treasonous, seditious, xenophobic rapist?

Specific policies.

[Bentley Bullet]

Because people who still support Trump don't believe he's those things.

It's like asking what a right-leaning politician can do to attract voters who voted for an antisemitic, communist, terrorist sympathiser.

[SydneyRover]

Arthur Askey has a lot to answer for.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB. It is nothing like that. That is a very poor comparison for reasons I've explained several times before, but you keep on making it.

1) In Britain you don't vote for a PM. You vote for a party. The PM's freedom to implement policy is constrained by what he can get through Parliament. The Labour party MPs would have highly constrained the freedom of a PM Corbyn, because most of them vehemently disagreed with his foreign policy in particular.

That is not the case in the USA. You vote for a President who has huge executive powers, especially on foreign policy. There is far less constraint on him.

2) Then you look at the choice in an election. I've said before that the choice of which PM was going to be in power in 2019 was the worst in living memory. Even if you accept your caricature of Corbyn, the alternative was a career compulsive liar who was committed to what most people on the Left consider to be the most damaging policy to Britain's economic and foreign position in centuries. And whose party is in hoc to Russian gangster funding.

In America, the choice was between a competent if dull centrist politician (who isn't a paedophile, despite the obsessions of some on the Right) and a criminal, treasonous, seditious, xenophobic rapist. And 74 million still voted for the latter.

Tyke is wanting the centre-Left in America to win the hearts of those 74million. I'm asking him how? Personally, if, given the choice between Trump and Biden, they chose Trump, I do not see anything that a centre-Left party can do to ever win more than a handful of them back. The aim must be to neutralise their political effect by energising the 81million who rejected him. Get sensible politics back. And slowly let the demographic shift make a return to Trump's fascism become impossible.

If, as you say, Trump's supporters don't believe he is
a criminal, treasonous, seditious, xenophobic rapist, despite all the evidence, they are beyond reasoning with. And trying to reason with them is a fool's errand. They need to be contained, not understood, so they never wreak this damage on America again.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yet another far right politician who is either as thick as mince or thinks his supporters can be fed shite.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312

Shouldn't need pointing out that the Paris Climate Agreement is not about protecting the climate in Paris. But Ted Cruz, a front runner to inherit Trump's mantle, suggesting that to his supporters.

Thick or mendacious. You decide.

[Donnywolf]

I cant think he meant that it was literally Paris. Surely he hoped that certain of Trump's followers would not make that connection for themselves

As with a certain section of supporters / detractors on either side of each debate there are some that WILL believe any old shit that they are fed

So probably not thick (on this occassion) or lying but knew exactly what he was saying in stoking the anti view and hoping for 5% of the gobby people (on either side of every debate) to pick it up and run with it ?

[EasyforDennis]

Yet another far right politician who is either as thick as mince or thinks his supporters can be fed shite.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1352040800646029312

Shouldn't need pointing out that the Paris Climate Agreement is not about protecting the climate in Paris. But Ted Cruz, a front runner to inherit Trump's mantle, suggesting that to his supporters.

Thick or mendacious. You decide.

Definitely THICK

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nah, he's not ED. Cruz is many things but he ain't thick.

[ravenrover]

74m voted for a Republican President not necessarily for Trump as an individual. They couldn't bring themselves to vote Democrat, it's a bit like the old days in the North voting Labour