Ukraine

[SydneyRover]

The only threat to russia from NATO is preventing putin's expansionism, period

[Axholme Lion]

Ldr.

The one and only person in here I have called racist wrote racist posts and refused to retract them when confronted with the fact.

The one and only person in here I have called fascist has regularly regaled us with opinions straight out of the fascist play book.

What do you call a feathered animal with wings and a bill that quacks?

He can say what he wants, i don't take any notice of champagne socialists.

[wilts rover]

https://wartranslated.com/controversy-in-the-pro-russian-sources-over-the-brutal-video-of-castration-of-a-ukrainian-solider/

[Filo]

https://wartranslated.com/controversy-in-the-pro-russian-sources-over-the-brutal-video-of-castration-of-a-ukrainian-solider/

AL and BRR will claim it’s his own fault for having b*llocks in the first place, no b*llocks no castration

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://wartranslated.com/controversy-in-the-pro-russian-sources-over-the-brutal-video-of-castration-of-a-ukrainian-solider/

AL and BRR will claim it’s his own fault for having b*llocks in the first place, no b*llocks no castration

Why would I? Do say, having laid that as a personal dig.

It's sick, though I haven't seen it.

The apparent Ukraine slaughtering of 40? of its own forces imprisoned in Donbas is likewise disgusting, and far worse than a castration. Not that Wilts is likely to report on that, nor any of the ongoing Ukraine attrocities, even those on civilians.

[glosterred]

https://wartranslated.com/controversy-in-the-pro-russian-sources-over-the-brutal-video-of-castration-of-a-ukrainian-solider/

AL and BRR will claim it’s his own fault for having b*llocks in the first place, no b*llocks no castration

Why would I? Do say, having laid that as a personal dig.

It's sick, though I haven't seen it.

The apparent Ukraine slaughtering of 40? of its own forces imprisoned in Donbas is likewise disgusting, and far worse than a castration. Not that Wilts is likely to report on that, nor any of the ongoing Ukraine attrocities, even those on civilians.

Funnily enough when the Ukrainians bombed their own troops in the so called POW Camp, not one guard of that camp was killed or wounded. Funny that isn’t it? I wonder how that happened?



https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1553021300678983682

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://wartranslated.com/controversy-in-the-pro-russian-sources-over-the-brutal-video-of-castration-of-a-ukrainian-solider/

AL and BRR will claim it’s his own fault for having b*llocks in the first place, no b*llocks no castration

Why would I? Do say, having laid that as a personal dig.

It's sick, though I haven't seen it.

The apparent Ukraine slaughtering of 40? of its own forces imprisoned in Donbas is likewise disgusting, and far worse than a castration. Not that Wilts is likely to report on that, nor any of the ongoing Ukraine attrocities, even those on civilians.

Funnily enough when the Ukrainians bombed their own troops in the so called POW Camp, not one guard of that camp was killed or wounded. Funny that isn’t it? I wonder how that happened?

https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1553021300678983682

If that is true, though there are reports of guards being killed or injured, it "may" be a war crime. Given that many of the Azov soldiers there were likely to be given death sentence for crimes they were accused of in Mariupol, you would then need to ask why would the Russians bother to do this?

[ravenrover]

Nothing to do with Russia trying to hide evidence of deaths and torture at said camp?

[wilts rover]

https://wartranslated.com/controversy-in-the-pro-russian-sources-over-the-brutal-video-of-castration-of-a-ukrainian-solider/

AL and BRR will claim it’s his own fault for having b*llocks in the first place, no b*llocks no castration

Why would I? Do say, having laid that as a personal dig.

It's sick, though I haven't seen it.

The apparent Ukraine slaughtering of 40? of its own forces imprisoned in Donbas is likewise disgusting, and far worse than a castration. Not that Wilts is likely to report on that, nor any of the ongoing Ukraine attrocities, even those on civilians.

Who was it that was going on about false flag actions used to hide evidence of war crimes - let me just go back and check...

Wagner Group 'apparently'

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1553017263569207296

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1553047627624759297

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1647967/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-prisoners-war-torture-olenivka-jail-bombing-40-dead-update

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3539709-wagner-group-members-kill-ukrainian-pows-in-olenivka-intelligence-data.html

[Bristol Red Rover]

Wilts using The Express to back up his views 

"Kyiv balmes Moscow". No shit. Did Kyiv mention the hero Ghost Pilot again too? Or maybe Bandera - oh no, conveniently that one's in storage whilst courting the West. Did it demand more weapons?

Again we have here a clear demo of the many folks here who suck up and regurgitate the western, ie Kyiv media propaganda. Why wait for any analysis? Or present more than one side? Or maybe we'll wait and see whether it was the Wagners or the HIMARS.

If the Russians did this I hope those responsible are caught for it despite the scum that died.

Note, these are mainly the murdering Azov's. Soldiers who took over Mariupol appartments, imprisoned the residents as human shields there (evidently not mentioned in the Express at any point) before doing the same with resicents taking them into the Azov Steelworks, again as human shields. They're also the very same guys who butchered civilians in the Donbas from 2014. And many of them are the same thugs enlisted for the flowery democratic Maidan Coup demos. On the other hand, they are simply prisoners of war. But don't go telling me these people are innocent fair minded soldiers, no matter how indoctrinated you are by The Express.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Nothing to do with Russia trying to hide evidence of deaths and torture at said camp?

Go on.... Likely there is torture. The yanks, the Brits, everyone does that. Deaths... for that we'd need some evidence. Any other theories or just the Kyiv versions?

[BillyStubbsTears]

#bothsides.

[Bentley Bullet]

If someone came up to me and kicked me in the b*llocks he'd be bang out of order. If I retaliated by kicking him in the b*llocks I'd be quite within my rights, because he was bang out of order.

[wilts rover]

Wilts using The Express to back up his views 

"Kyiv balmes Moscow". No shit. Did Kyiv mention the hero Ghost Pilot again too? Or maybe Bandera - oh no, conveniently that one's in storage whilst courting the West. Did it demand more weapons?

Again we have here a clear demo of the many folks here who suck up and regurgitate the western, ie Kyiv media propaganda. Why wait for any analysis? Or present more than one side? Or maybe we'll wait and see whether it was the Wagners or the HIMARS.

If the Russians did this I hope those responsible are caught for it despite the scum that died.

Note, these are mainly the murdering Azov's. Soldiers who took over Mariupol appartments, imprisoned the residents as human shields there (evidently not mentioned in the Express at any point) before doing the same with resicents taking them into the Azov Steelworks, again as human shields. They're also the very same guys who butchered civilians in the Donbas from 2014. And many of them are the same thugs enlisted for the flowery democratic Maidan Coup demos. On the other hand, they are simply prisoners of war. But don't go telling me these people are innocent fair minded soldiers, no matter how indoctrinated you are by The Express.

You complain that other people put up an alternate view to an incident you gave a totally one-sided account of!!!

[Bristol Red Rover]

If someone came up to me and kicked me in the b*llocks he'd be bang out of order. If I retaliated by kicking him in the b*llocks I'd be quite within my rights, because he was bang out of order.

Did you get that from The Beano?

[Bristol Red Rover]

Wilts using The Express to back up his views 

"Kyiv balmes Moscow". No shit. Did Kyiv mention the hero Ghost Pilot again too? Or maybe Bandera - oh no, conveniently that one's in storage whilst courting the West. Did it demand more weapons?

Again we have here a clear demo of the many folks here who suck up and regurgitate the western, ie Kyiv media propaganda. Why wait for any analysis? Or present more than one side? Or maybe we'll wait and see whether it was the Wagners or the HIMARS.

If the Russians did this I hope those responsible are caught for it despite the scum that died.

Note, these are mainly the murdering Azov's. Soldiers who took over Mariupol appartments, imprisoned the residents as human shields there (evidently not mentioned in the Express at any point) before doing the same with resicents taking them into the Azov Steelworks, again as human shields. They're also the very same guys who butchered civilians in the Donbas from 2014. And many of them are the same thugs enlisted for the flowery democratic Maidan Coup demos. On the other hand, they are simply prisoners of war. But don't go telling me these people are innocent fair minded soldiers, no matter how indoctrinated you are by The Express.

You complain that other people put up an alternate view to an incident you gave a totally one-sided account of!!!

Pot kettle. At the time, all I heard was the incident and initial reports, which were that a HIMARS had hit the place. As there are vids showing Ukraines apparently confessing to war crimes and referring to orders they were given from high up, then there is the motive. No reason I've heard that adds up for Russians blowing it up.

As it is, I siad we should wait and see. I don't hear that from you.

[Bristol Red Rover]

#bothsides.

#billyblinkers

[BillyStubbsTears]

"All you heard was..."

Well aye. If you just listen to Russian state propaganda channels.

"No reason I've heard that adds up for Russians blowing it up."

Like there was no reason for them blowing up apartment blocks in Kyiv.

Or a supermarket in Kremenchuk.

Or the port at Odessa.

Of course there's a f**king reason. They are State Terrorists.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I listen to a wide variety of stuff, just happened to hear that first. What do you listen to?

All those incidents were attacking military targets, you know that. Civilian buildings were affected too.

There is a problem with weapons and manpower locating within civilian buildings or adjacent to them. Forcefully holding civilians there is evil and cowardly, maybe what the Azov guys were talking about having been instructed to do? As far as I understand, all that contravenes regulations. Obviously I mean that in relation to both Russians and Ukraines.

And then then there is shelling of civilian areas where there is *clearly* no military target. Lots of examples of that, tho guessing your Express sources missed that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Still coming out with that Kremlin b*llocks about the Kremenchuk attacks being targeted at military targets.

You are truly an embarrassment. You can't even keep up with the propaganda line. Even the Kremlin gave up on that line. 

[Bristol Red Rover]

Still coming out with that Kremlin b*llocks about the Kremenchuk attacks being targeted at military targets.

You are truly an embarrassment. You can't even keep up with the propaganda line. Even the Kremlin gave up on that line. 

Embaressing?    Try being specific with your blinkered rhetoric. No idea what you're referring to.

[wilts rover]

Wilts using The Express to back up his views 

"Kyiv balmes Moscow". No shit. Did Kyiv mention the hero Ghost Pilot again too? Or maybe Bandera - oh no, conveniently that one's in storage whilst courting the West. Did it demand more weapons?

Again we have here a clear demo of the many folks here who suck up and regurgitate the western, ie Kyiv media propaganda. Why wait for any analysis? Or present more than one side? Or maybe we'll wait and see whether it was the Wagners or the HIMARS.

If the Russians did this I hope those responsible are caught for it despite the scum that died.

Note, these are mainly the murdering Azov's. Soldiers who took over Mariupol appartments, imprisoned the residents as human shields there (evidently not mentioned in the Express at any point) before doing the same with resicents taking them into the Azov Steelworks, again as human shields. They're also the very same guys who butchered civilians in the Donbas from 2014. And many of them are the same thugs enlisted for the flowery democratic Maidan Coup demos. On the other hand, they are simply prisoners of war. But don't go telling me these people are innocent fair minded soldiers, no matter how indoctrinated you are by The Express.

You complain that other people put up an alternate view to an incident you gave a totally one-sided account of!!!

Pot kettle. At the time, all I heard was the incident and initial reports, which were that a HIMARS had hit the place. As there are vids showing Ukraines apparently confessing to war crimes and referring to orders they were given from high up, then there is the motive. No reason I've heard that adds up for Russians blowing it up.

As it is, I siad we should wait and see. I don't hear that from you.

I replied to a one-sided thread from you. I saw it earlier in the day but wouldn't have posted anything until more was known for definate. If you don't like people replying then dont post unverified propoganda.

Here's some more footage. As the guy say's, the lack of a debris field if it was a missile strike seems odd

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1553618857629302787

[Bristol Red Rover]

Wilts, and that link of yours isn't unverified propaganda? Pot kettle again.

[Bristol Red Rover]

A long line up of cars with Ukrainians seen wanting to cross into Russian Zaporozhye. Why would that be?

[Filo]

If think Russia and China will invade Ukraine and Taiwan at the same time, and North Korea will be in on the act and possibly Iran

It took a bit of time, but looks like it might be about to happen

[BillyStubbsTears]

If think Russia and China will invade Ukraine and Taiwan at the same time, and North Korea will be in on the act and possibly Iran

It took a bit of time, but looks like it might be about to happen

This is rank stupidity by Pelosi.

The situation's stability rests on a basic understanding.

China doesn't jib at the USA overtly supporting Taiwan, as long as the USA doesn't formally recognise Taiwan's independence.

That tacit agreement has worked for half a century. Pelosi has just chucked a hand grenade into it, by visiting as the Head of Congress and second in line to the Presidency.

That's basically flicking the rods at China. China has to respond, and by the look of it, they are going to be staging live fire military exercises in Taiwanese waters.

This has the potential to be the most dangerous few days since the Cuban Missile Crisis. One mistake by China or one misinterpreted action by Taiwan or the USA, and there could be very unpleasant consequences.

Fingers crossed that China makes its point then everyone backs down.

[BobG]

And I always thought Pelosi wasn't that bad.... Tell you what though, just WHY did she go there? What was her objective? What possible reason is there for her to overturn a policy establsihed for 25 years that has managed to keep the peace in a hugely fraught situation? What the hell did she think she was doing???

BobG

[Nudga]

And I always thought Pelosi wasn't that bad.... Tell you what though, just WHY did she go there? What was her objective? What possible reason is there for her to overturn a policy establsihed for 25 years that has managed to keep the peace in a hugely fraught situation? What the hell did she think she was doing???

BobG

Probably best to start looking into her and her husbands finances for your answers.

[Dutch Uncle]

And I always thought Pelosi wasn't that bad.... Tell you what though, just WHY did she go there? What was her objective? What possible reason is there for her to overturn a policy establsihed for 25 years that has managed to keep the peace in a hugely fraught situation? What the hell did she think she was doing???

BobG

Probably best to start looking into her and her husbands finances for your answers.

Or crucial mid-term elections coming up? Sabre rattling is usually good for votes in the US unfortunately. Either way I don’t think concern for Taiwan was the reason at all.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's my take DU. The Democrats were facing a caning in November. Pelosi's actions have been applauded by the more bellicose Republicans.

Democracy is a strange fish sometimes. It's on record that Kennedy was particularly hawkish in his initial response to the Cuban Missile Crisis because he expected the Democrats to get hammered in the Nov 62 mid-sessionals if the Republicans were allowed to paint him as soft on the Commies. That very nearly led to the end of the world.