Ukraine

[BillyStubbsTears]

PS.

You have no evidence for anything in your last post other than the FSB clai s, which you take entirely without criticism.

And you lecture everyone else about balance?

[normal rules]

If, and it’s a big if, Ukrainian secret service was indeed behind this bombing, would they want the psychological propaganda for doing so? I’d say so.
Overtly they would deny it of course.
Russia have made their mind up though.
So this is a win for Ukraine? Psychologically, it’s a message that we can hurt you, deep into your heartland.
It could be a lone wolf, or independent cell from either side.
If it’s an internal terrorist attack by disenfranchised Russians, then that’s got to hurt. They would never admit that of course.
If it’s Got Ukrainian involvement then Zelensky would be pretty happy I’d imagine. Wether it was sanctioned or not.

[Bristol Red Rover]

BST - seems you missed the point of my post. I was raising the issue, as reported, and then looking at what will happen from that. Whether or not she did do it is irrelevant to that, however I'm not hearing strong denials from Ukraine.

Notable that you just reacted in your usual way, like some Daily Express corresspondent. Much like the "Absolute barbarians." headline on a previous edition of your BS Times.

NR - interesting how Ukraine has seemed to deny a fair bit of its actions, eg bombings in Crimea. I suspect it's about letting people decide for themselves. By claiming secret service victories in Russian territory they might think they could be sanctioning retaliation.

Interesting also in this that there is an implicit acceptance of Crimea being Russian.

On this instance, killing the man's daughter, I don't think anyone is going to see this as a victory for Ukraine. If anything, it's embarressing.

[normal rules]

News out now that a partisan Russian republican group within Russia are claiming responsibility.
The plot thickens.

[Bristol Red Rover]

News out now that a partisan Russian republican group within Russia are claiming responsibility.
The plot thickens.

Maybe Johnson will claim responsibility?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BRR.

You are raising the issue as reported by and only by the FSB. Full stop.

[Bristol Red Rover]

It seems that the Russian parliament will be discussing declaring Ukraine to be a terrorist state tomorrow. One significance there is that any state that then sponsors Ukraine through money or arms will be liable to sanctions. Good news for German woolly blanket sellers for one.

[BobG]

Mind blowing..... Aggressors blame the attacked. Now where do I recall that happening before.....

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile the head news presenter on Russian state TV, who apparently is very close to Putin, effectively admitted yesterday that Russia carried out the Salisbury poisonings.

[Filo]

Putin, the man responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent Ukrainians has said the murder of one Russian woman in a car bomb is vile, what a phsyco he is if he really believes that

[BillyStubbsTears]

Stalin said 1 death is a tragedy. 500,00 deaths is a statistic.

Putin models himself on Stalin.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I'd class any state that shells or shoots it's own people a terrorist state, seems there some who think differently?

But what does the naming matter, except to the barmy US and friends? Its the legal processes it allows that counts. Here it's gas and Germany. In the US it's torture, waterboarding and basically illegal stuff.

[normal rules]

Wtf.

Russian nuclear power giant Rosatom will begin constructing two new nuclear reactors in Hungary in the coming weeks, Hungary's foreign minister said.

[BobG]

If I were Putin I'd be trying to break the EC, the western cabal. Hungary is an obvious, obvious entry point. This is a wet dream for Putin.

BobG

[Dutch Uncle]

Easy and willing entry point Bob

Although the deal was done in 2014 (presumably before the Crimea annexation?) and nuclear  EU sanctions do not cover Russian nuclear power

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62695938

[SydneyRover]

If I were Putin I'd be trying to break the EC, the western cabal. Hungary is an obvious, obvious entry point. This is a wet dream for Putin.

BobG

They could have already done it Bob, but without an inquiry we won't know.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Dutch

The deal was done with Hungary, not the EU.

Sooner or later, Hungary will be thrown out. It's a fascist cuckoo in the European nest.

[Dutch Uncle]

Dutch

The deal was done with Hungary, not the EU.

Sooner or later, Hungary will be thrown out. It's a fascist cuckoo in the European nest.

Sorry my mistake, misread it. It didn't make much sense 

Agree with the sentiment re Hungary, but if the EU sanctions don't cover the Russian Nuclear industry then it is difficult to see this being the catalyst. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

So did I first time round. Not the clearest text!

[normal rules]

For a member state to be thrown out it would require a change of treaty, which all member states have to vote in favour of , unanimously. Including Hungary themselves. Like the proverbial Turkey voting for Xmas. Can’t see it ever happening. Unless they wanted it of course.

[wilts rover]

For a member state to be thrown out it would require a change of treaty, which all member states have to vote in favour of , unanimously. Including Hungary themselves. Like the proverbial Turkey voting for Xmas. Can’t see it ever happening. Unless they wanted it of course.

They couldn't stop freedom of movement and close national borders - until covid came and they closed national borders and stopped freedom of movement. It will happen if the people in charge want it to.

[Bristol Red Rover]

For a member state to be thrown out it would require a change of treaty, which all member states have to vote in favour of , unanimously. Including Hungary themselves. Like the proverbial Turkey voting for Xmas. Can’t see it ever happening. Unless they wanted it of course.

They couldn't stop freedom of movement and close national borders - until covid came and they closed national borders and stopped freedom of movement. It will happen if the people in charge want it to.

Kinda like bullying, it is the way the world works.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. It's kinda like saying if you don't play by the f**king rules that everyone else does, you don't get the benefits.

Someone who was a member of a golf club wouldn't expect to be tolerated if they shit on the bar after every round.

[Filo]

Ukraine launches an offensive to retake Kherson, reports of Russian Para’s and separatist running away, leaving there ammo behind.

They don’t like the odds evened out these Russians do they?

[Bristol Red Rover]

No. It's kinda like saying if you don't play by the f**king rules that everyone else does, you don't get the benefits.

Someone who was a member of a golf club wouldn't expect to be tolerated if they shit on the bar after every round.

I was talking about the way the Lords of the world, the ones you worship, can change the rules when they like to suit themselves and screw anyone else who was playing by the rules that were in place when they joined. Keep up.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Reports of several hundred Ukraine commandos from across the Dnieper river landing in the town immediately adjacent to the nuclear power station, to its east, just when the inspectors arrived there.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Reports of several hundred Ukraine commandos from across the Dnieper river landing in the town immediately adjacent to the nuclear power station, to its east, just when the inspectors arrived there.

Reports from?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mesanwhile, it's astonishing how dangerous windows become when you reach a certain level of importance in Putin's Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

[Bristol Red Rover]

Reports of several hundred Ukraine commandos from across the Dnieper river landing in the town immediately adjacent to the nuclear power station, to its east, just when the inspectors arrived there.

Reports from?

Not from your useless sources obviously!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Why not just post your source and let folk decide if they think it is trustworthy?